June 18, 2015 - Church Shooting in South Carolina

  • 06/18/2015

Larry discusses a racially motivated mass shooting in Charleston, S.C., with Joaquin Castro, Christina Greer, Joshua DuBois and Mike Yard.

>> Larry: THANK YOU VERYMUCH, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU, GUYS.

WHAT A GREAT CROWD.

SUCH A GREAT CROWD TONIGHT.

WELCOME TO THE NIGHTLY SHOW,I'M LARRY WILMORE.

THIS IS A DIFFERENT KIND OFDAY, I JUST WANT TO SAY OUR

HEARTS GO OUT TO EVERYBODYIN CHARLESTON, SOUTH

CAROLINA, RIGHT NOW.

THIS IS A HORRIBLE STORY.

AND FOR THOSE OF YOU WHOAREN'T UP TO SPEED.

HERE IS BASICALLY WHATHAPPENED.

>> NINE PEOPLE KILLED IN ANUNTHINKABLE CRIME IN

CHARLESTON, SOUTH CAROLINA.

BEFORE HE OPENED FIRE HETOLD HIS INTENDED VICTIMS, I

WANT TO SHOOT BLACK PEOPLE.

>> HE SAID YOU RAPE OURWOMEN, AND YOU'RE TAKING OVER

OUR COUNTRY.

AND YOU HAVE TO GO.

>> Larry: NOW I HAVE TO TELLYOU GUYS, WE WEREN'T GOING

TO TALK MUCH ABOUT THIS ATALL.

I MEAN SERIOUSLY, WE'RE ACOMEDY SHOW, RIGHT?

WHAT WE BUILT HERE ISN'TREALLY DESIGNED TO HANDLE

THIS KIND OF TRAGEDY.

AND LET ME JUST SAY, I KNOWWE TALK ABOUT RACE A LOT ON

THIS SHOW, BUT I THINK WECAN ALL AGREE, THIS TIME,

THIS IS A RACIALLY MOTIVATEDATTACK.

YOU KNOW.

I THINK IT'S-- (APPLAUSE)

BUT ALSO IT COULDN'T BECLEARER WHEN IT COMES OUT OF

THE KILLER'S MOUTH, RIGHT.

BUT EVEN WITH ALL OF THATEVIDENCE, AND ON A DAY LIKE

TODAY, FOX NEWS JUST MAKESMY [BLEEP] HEAD EXPLODE.

>> LAST NIGHT'S DEADLYATTACK TAKING PLACE AT HIS

HISTORIC CHURCH IN SOUTHCAROLINA.

THE GUNMAN'S HORRIFYINGATTACK ON FAITH

>> THE QUESTION IS WAS IT ACRIME OUT OF RACE OR

RELIGION.

>> THEY COULD BE CALLING ITA HATE CRIME BECAUSE IT

HAPPENED IN A RELIGIOUSINSTITUTION.

>> SO IF WE'RE NOT SAFE INOUR OWN CHURCHES, THEN WHERE

ARE WE SAFE?

>> THE ALTHOUGH THEY AREINVESTIGATING AS A HATE

CRIME, THERE ARE STILLPIECES WE TO PUT TOGETHER.

>> SOME LOOK AT IT WELL,BECAUSE ITS WITH A WHITE GUY,

APPARENTLY, IN A BLACKCHURCH, BUT YOU MADE A GREAT

POINT JUST A MOMENT AGOABOUT THE HOSTILITY TOWARDS

CHRISTIANS, AND IT WAS ACHURCH.

>> Larry: OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

I KNOW YOU GUYS DON'T WANTTO ADMIT THAT RACIAL STUFF

IS GOING-- THAT RACIAL STUFFISN'T GOING ON, BUT HOW CAN

THERE BE ANY DOUBT WHEN ITCAME OUT OF THE GUNMAN'S

MOUTH.

LET ME REMIND YOU WHAT HESAID.

>> I WANT TO SHOOT BLACKPEOPLE.

>> Larry: HE TOLD HISVICTIMS, I WANT TO SHOOT

BLACK PEOPLE.

I THINK WHEN HE SAYS BLACKPEOPLE, HE MEANS BLACK

PEOPLE, AND NOT CHRISTIANS.

I'M JUST SAYING.

AND REMEMBER THIS PART.

>> HE SAID YOU RAPE OURWOMEN, AND YOU TAKIN OVER

OUR COUNTRY AND YOU HAVE TOGO.

>> Larry: HE IS BEING VERYCLEAR.

NOBODY THINKS CHRISTIANS AREGOING AROUND RAPING

EVERYBODY AND TAKING OVERTHE COUNTRY.

ALL RIGHT.

THAT'S NOT A THING, UNLESSYOU ARE A DUGGAR, ALL RIGHT.

THEN IT'S A THING.

THEN IT'S A THING.

OKAY, THEN.

AND THEN FOX NEWS SENDS OUTA BLACK PREACHER LIKE HIS

BLACK IS GOING TO CONFUSE ME,RIGHT.

BLACK DON'T DISTRACT BY THEWAY, IT DON'T, BLACK DON'T

DISTRACT, OKAY.

BUT NICE TRY ANYWAY, FOX.

>> I'M DEEPLY CONCERNED THATTHIS GUNMAN CHOSE TO GO INTO

A CHURCH.

BECAUSE IT DOES SEEM TO BE ARISING HOSTILITY AGAINST

CHRISTIANS ACROSS THISCOUNTRY BECAUSE OF OUR

BIBLICAL VIEWS.

>> Larry: NO, NO, NO, NO,NO.

IT IS NOT RISING HOSTILITYAGAINST CHRISTIANS, IT'S

RISING AND PERVASIVEHOSTILITY AGAINST BLACK

PEOPLE WHO WERE MEETING IN ACHURCH, ALL RIGHT.

BUT LET'S HEAR MORE FROM THEFOX BROTHER.

>> MOST PEOPLE JUMP TOCONCLUSIONS ABOUT RACE.

I LONG FOR THE DAY WHEN WESTOP DOING THAT IN OUR

COUNTRY.

BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHY HEWENT INTO A CHURCH, BUT HE

DIDN'T CHOOSE A BAR, HEDIDN'T CHOOSE A BASKETBALL

COURT.

>> Larry: DIDN'T CHOOSE ABASKETBALL COURT.

[BLEEP] MAN, YOU MEANTYPICALLY BLACK AREAS LIKE

BASKETBALL COURT.

WHY DIDN'T HE CHOOSE ARECORDING STUDIO, I MEAN, HE

COULD HAVE GONE TO A CHITLINFARM, BREAK DANCING CLASS,

ROLLER RINK.

WHY WASN'T HE AT AWATERMELON STAND WHY DOESN'T

HE GO THERE.

HE COULD HAVE

BEEN THERE.

IF HE WANTED TO TARGET AHIGH CONCENTRATION OF BLACK

PEOPLE WHY DIDN'T HE TARGETANY PRISON IN THE UNITED

STATES.

WHY DIDN'T HE DO THAT.

AND IT WASN'T JUST FOX NEWS.

EVEN GOP PRESIDENTIALCANDIDATE RICK SANTORUM

COULDN'T WAIT TO JUMP ONTHIS BAND WAGON TO

WRONGVILLE.

>> WE'RE SEEING THE ASSAULT OFRELIGIOUS LIBERTY LIKE WE'VE

NEVER SEEN BEFORE, IT'SOBVIOUSLY A CRIME OF HATE.

WE DON'T KNOW THERATIONALE, WHAT

OTHER RATIONALE COULD THEREBE?

>> Larry: WHAT OTHERRATIONALE COULD THERE BE?

I MEAN FOR PEOPLE WHO LIVEIN CUT AND DRY, BLACK AND

WHITE WORLDS, IT'S AMAZINGHOW SOCIAL CONSERVATIVES

LIKE RICK SANTORUM JUSTSTRETCH AND BEND AND CONTORT

TO MAKE SURE THEY NEVER HAVETO CONFRONT RACE, RIGHT?

I KNOW, BECAUSE LOOK, I KNOWBECAUSE THIS IS IN A CHURCH

THAT IT'S HARD TO UNDERSTANDTHAT IT'S ABOUT RACE.

BUT LET ME GIVE YOU ANEXAMPLE.

FOUR BLACK GIRLS WEREMURDERED IN A CHURCH BOMBING

IN BIRMINGHAM, ALABAMA, IN1963, ALL RIGHT.

BACK THEN NO ONE PRETENDEDTO WONDER WHAT THE

MOTIVATION WAS.

IF YOU TRIED TO SAY IT WASABOUT RELIGION, EVEN THE

PERPETRATORS BACK THEN WOULDHAVE CORRECTED YOU.

ALL RIGHT.

"NO, WE KILLED THEM BECAUSETHEY'RE NEGROS, THAT'S WHY

WE DID IT."

ALL RIGHT, ONE LAST THINGABOUT THIS, CHURCH IT HAS

PROVEN RESILIENT FOR TWOCENTURIES.

IT FIRST OPENED ITS DOORS IN1816.

SIX YEARS LATER IT WASBURNED TO THE GROUND, 12

YEARS AFTER THAT, ALL BLACKCHURCHES IN THE SOUTH

CAROLINA WERE OUTLAWED.

FORCING MOTHER EMMANUEL TOHOLD THEIR SERVICES IN

SECRET.

ALSO AND THAT TIME RACISTSKILLED ONE OF THE CHURCH'S

COFOUNDERS FOR PLANNING ASLAVE REVOLT.

AND NEARLY 200 YEARS LATER,LAST NIGHT, MOTHER EMMANUEL

SENIOR PASTOR CLEMENTEPINCKNEY WAS ADDED TO THE

LIST OF CHURCH LEADERS TAKENFROM THE CONGREGATION,

THOUGH THIS IS DEVASTATINGTO THE CHURCH TODAY IT'S

COMFORTING TO KNOW THATMOTHER EMMANUEL CAN AND WILL

GO ON.

WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.

>> WELCOME BACK.

NIGHTLY SHOW CONTRIBUTORMIKE YARD.

ALSO JOINING US DEMOCRATICCONGRESSMAN FROM TEXAS

JOAQUIN CASTRO.

HE LED THE WHITE HOUSE ONTHE FAITH-BASED PARTNERSHIP

FOR PRESIDENT OBAMA FIRSTTERM, FORMER PASTOR IN CHIEF

JOSHUA DUBOIS. ANDASSISTANT PROFESSOR OF

POLITICAL SCIENCE AT FORDHAMUNIVERSITY, CHRISTINA GREER.

OKAY.

SO WE ALL KNOW WHY WE'REHERE TO TALK ABOUT THIS

HORRIBLE THING TODAY.

AND IT REALLY STRUCK ME THATHOW CLEAR THIS GUY WAS ABOUT

WHAT HIS INTENT WAS.

TO ME, THIS WAS NOT EVEN AHATE CRIME.

I CALL IT RACIAL TERRORISM.

AND-- WHY DO YOU THINK IT'SSO HARD, LIKE WHEN I WATCH

ALL THIS FOX NEWS STUFF TRYTO MAKE IT ABOUT RELIGION,

BY THE WAY, PICKING ONRELIGIOUS PEOPLE IS A

HORRIBLE THING. WE HAVE NOILLUSION ABOUT THAT. BUT IT IS

A RACIAL THING. WHY DO YOU THINK

IT'S SO HARD FOR PEOPLE TOMAKE IT ABOUT RACE.

>> BECAUSE IF PEOPLE ALLOWTHEMSELVES TO MAKE IT ABOUT

RACE THEN THEY AREACKNOWLEDGING THAT WE HAVE

SOME RAISE CHALLENGES THATWE HAVEN'T SOLVED IN THIS

COUNTRY.

AND PEOPLE DON'T WANT TOACKNOWLEDGE THAT.

WE WOULD RATHER SAY IT'S THELONE GUNMAN SYNDROME OR IT'S

JUST ABOUT MENTALHEALTH AS OPPOSED TO

POINTING TO A BROADERCULTURE OF DIVISION AND TOO

OFTEN OF HATE THAT FEEDSINTO STUFF LIKE THIS.

THAT IS WHY PEOPLE DON'TWANT TO ADMIT IT.

BECAUSE IT SOMETIMES POINTSBACK TO THINGS THEY DON'T

WANT TO POINT BACK TO.

>> I THINK ALSO IT'S HARDFOR PEOPLE TO TALK ABOUT

RACE AND RACISM IN THEPRESENT TENSE.

BECAUSE I THINK IT'SSOMETHING THAT THE COUNTRY-- WE

OFTEN TALK ABOUT IT IN THEPAST BECAUSE I THINK THE

COUNTRY WANTS TO FEEL LIKEWE MOVED ON FROM IT.

I THINK THAT SOMETIMES PAGESIT DIFFICULT

>> Larry: DO YOU THINK THEYFEEL BECAUSE WE HAVE OBAMA

WE ARE POST RACIAL.

I MEAN WE'RE NOT EVEN POSTRACHEL.

>> THE THING IS A LOT OFPEOPLE WANT TO SAY JUST A

HATE CRIME BUT IT'S BOTH,RIGHT.

THE DEFINITION OF DOMESTICTERRORISM IS IF YOU ARE

INSTILLING FEAR IN APARTICULAR GROUP OF PEOPLE

BASED ON POLITICAL,RELIGIOUS OR IDEA LOGICAL

MEANS.

HE DID THAT, RIGHT.

THE CHURCH IS THE LAST SAFEHAVEN FOR SO MANY PEOPLE

ESPECIALLY AFRICAN-AMERICANSBECAUSE THIS COUNTRY IN THE

PAST FEW MONTHS HAS SHOWN USTHAT WE CAN'T BE IN OUR

HOMES.

WE CAN'T BE IN OUR CARS.

WE CAN'T BE IN PARKS.

WE CAN'T BE ON THE STREET.

WE CAN'T HAVE FURTIVE MOVEMENTS.

NOW WE CAN'T BE IN POOLSSO THE LAST PLACE WAS THE

CHURCH, RIGHT.

SO IF SOMEONE IS COMING INTOTHE SACRED SPACE-- .

>> Larry: YEAH.

>> IT REALLY IS A PART OFTHAT OFFENDED ME THE MOST

WAS PEOPLE, THEY'RE SOHELPLESS IN A CHURCH.

THEIR GUARDS ARE DOWN.

I MEAN THEY'RE PRAYING,WHATEVER.

MIKE, TO ME, IT SEEMS LIKETHAT RESONATED WITH ME, I

THINK THE MOST OUT OF ALL OFTHIS.

>> I THINK THAT WAS THEPOINT OF IT, THOUGH.

THAT IS THE WHOLE POINT OFTERRORISM TO LET YOU

KNOW-- AND IT'S HISTORICALIN AMERICA.

THAT'S WHAT THEY DID, YOUKNOW.

YOU WANT TO MAKE PEOPLE FEELLIKE YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT

YOU HERE.

AND IF YOU THINK YOU AREGOING TO HIDE, WE'LL GET YOU

WHEREVER YOU FEEL SAFEST. AND OFCOURSE

PEOPLE ARE IN CHURCHFEELING THAT IS WHERE THEY

ARE THE SAFEST.

NO ONE IS GOING TO COME IN ACHURCH AND DO SOMETHING LIKE

THAT.

THAT IS THE POINT.

LET'S HIT THEM WHERE THEYTHINK WE WON'T DO IT SO THEY

KNOW LISTEN, WE MEANBUSINESS.

>> AND HERE'S THE THING, IT'SNOT ON THAT THEY FELT SAFE

THERE.

THEY WERE ACTUALLY WELCOMINGOF NEW PEOPLE THERE.

>> IT WAS COME ON IN,THERE'S A PHRASE IN THE AME

CHURCH AND THIS WAS AN AMECHURCH, THEY SAY THE DOORS

OF THE CHURCH ARE OPEN.

SO NOT ONLY DO THEY FEELPROTECTED BUT THEY ARE

ASKING FOR PEOPLE, EXTENDINGSORT OF A GENEROUS WELCOME.

AND THIS IS THE RESPONSETHEY GOT.

>> YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER TOO,IT IS LIKE THIS ISN'T JUST A

MURDER OF NINE PEOPLE THISIS ALSO AN ASSASSINATION OF

A U.S. ELECTED OFFICIAL,RIGHT.

AND SO WE NEED TO USE REALLANGUAGE, RIGHT.

BECAUSE THIS MAN, HE'S NOT ABOY, HE'S 21 YEARS OLD IT IS

PREMEDITATED.

WE CANNOT JUST BRUSH IT OFF,OH, HE HAD MENTAL ILLNESS.

I'M TIRED OF SORT OF THATBECOME THE EXCUSE OF ADAM

LANZA AND WHAT EVER BOYSBEHAVE BADLY, WE DO THAT.

THAT IS NOT THE CASE HERE ITIS AN ASSASSINATION OF A

U.S. ELECTED OFFICIAL ANDEIGHT CONGREGANTS AND

IF IT'S ABOUT MEN RAPINGWOMEN, SIX OF THOSE

INDIVIDUALS WERE WOMEN SOTHE LOGIC DOES NOT HOLD.

>> THAT'S OLD SCHOOL LYNCHLANGUAGE.

>> THE FATHER OF A BLACKMAN.

>> BLACK MAN RAPING OURWOMEN AND SO OH, THEY'RE

RAPING OUR WOMEN, WHERE ISTHE EVIDENCE OF THIS.

YOU JUST [BLEEP], YOU KNOWWHAT I MEAN.

YOU ARE JUST [BLEEP] OUT OFYOUR ASS.

>> BUT I WANT TO GO BACK TOTHE MENTAL ILLNESS THING.

SOME PEOPLE SAY YOU HAVE TOBE SICK TO DO THIS.

I THINK YOU ALSO CAN BE ANEVIL MOTHER [BLEEP] TO DO IT

TOO.

SORRY, PASTOR.

>> NO.

>> I LIKE MAKING THAT CLEARDISTINCTION, YOU KNOW.

>> WELL, I THINK MENTALILLNESS IS OBVIOUSLY A VERY REAL

THING.

>> THIS IS JUST A THEORY, IDONE KNOW IF IT'S TRUE OR

NOT BUT IT ALSO COULD SETTHE TABLE TO BE MORE

SUSCEPTIBLE TO THE MESSAGESTHAT ARE IN OUR CULTURE.

MAYBE THIS GUY DID HAVE SOMEPROBLEMS.

BUT WHEN HE'S INUNDATED WITHTWEETS AND POSTS AND SORT OF

MEDIA MESSAGES AND CULTURALMESSAGES ABOUT HATING BLACK

PEOPLE AND DEHUMANIZING THISYOUNG GIRL IN McKINNEY TEXAS,

SO ON AND SO FORTH, MAYBEIT'S EASIER TO SEEP IN IF HE

IS FACING A MENTAL ILLNESSSO IT COULD CREATE A CONTEXT

FOR THAT.

>> I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TOKNOW.

I KNOW THAT THE PRESIDENTTODAY TALKS ABOUT GUN

VIOLENCE BUT IT'S NOTJUST ABOUT GUNS.

IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT MENTALILLNESS.

THIS WAS A FORM OF DOMESTICTERRORISM.

WE SHOULD VIEW IT THAT WAY.

>> THAT'S RIGHT.

>> I AGREE.

>> IS THERE A-- LIKE WHATMESSAGE DO YOU THINK THE

GOVERNMENT CAN SEND OTHERTHAN THE PRESIDENT COMING

OUT AND SAYING IT'S BAD, YOUKNOW,.

>> I MEAN I THINK THATTHERE'S GOT TO BE A MESSAGE

OF RECONCILIATION, YOU KNOW,ALL OF THIS, THESE VIDEOS

THAT WE HAVE SEEN OF POLICEBRUTALITY WITH COMMUNITY,

COMMUNITY MEMBERS, I MEANWE'RE GOING TO SEE A LOT

MORE OF OF THIS STUFF.

AND I REALLY FEEL LIKE WE'VEGOTTEN TO THE POINT WHERE

THERE NEEDS TO BE A KIND OFRECONCILIATION, A RACIAL

RECONCILIATION AND ARECONCILIATION BETWEEN

POLICE AND COMMUNITY.

CLEARLY.

>> BUT BEFORE RECONCILIATIONWE NEED A JUSTICE AND B, I

THINK ONE OF THE MINORTHINGS THAT SOUTH CAROLINA

COULD DO IS THE GOVERNOR ANDTHE TWO REPUBLICAN SENATORS

CAN TAKE THE CONFEDERATE FLAGOFF

OF THE CAPITOL BUILDING.

>> I AGREE.

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)>> IN FACT, YOU KNOW, I

COULDN'T AGREE MORE.

I WANT TO SHOW YOU, I THINKTHE AMERICAN FLAG WAS

AT-- IS AT HALF-MAST, HALF-- ANDTHE CONFEDERATE FLAG WAS

STILL FLYING.

TAKE THAT FLAG DOWN, FORCHRIST'S SAKE!

I MEAN AT THIS POINT, THESYMBOL OF THAT FLAG IS A

SYMBOL OF TERRORISM FORPEOPLE WHO WERE TERRORIZED

DURING THAT TIME.

THERE IS NO REASON.

>> EVEN-- RECOGNIZES THAT ITIS A SYMBOL OF TERRORISM.

IT IS REALLY BAD.

>> MY THING IS ESPECIALLY INLIGHT OF EVENTS LIKE THIS,

TO ME, THAT'S-- TAKE IT DOWNNOW EVERYWHERE.

BECAUSE THAT IS WHATREPRESENTS TO PEOPLE THAT

WENT THROUGH THOSE THINGS.>> THAT'S WHY I FEEL THAT WE'RE

>> NOT BEING HONEST ABOUT THESITUATION,

LIKE WE DON'T WANT TO HAVETHE REAL CONVERSATION ABOUT

RACE.

IT'S HARD FOR ME TO TAKE AGOVERNOR SERIOUSLY WHEN SHE

SAYS OH, I DON'T UNDERSTANDWHAT WOULD MAKE SOMEBODY DO

THIS.

AND THEN YOUR CAPITAL ISFLYING A SYMBOL OF RACISM,

AND SEPARATION ANDSEGREGATION.

YOU ARE NOT HAVING ANINTELLECTUALLY HONEST

CONVERSATION.

>> I THINK RACISM SHOWSNOSTALGIA.

>> THAT'S RIGHT.

>> IT SPEAKS TO THE FACTTHAT PEOPLE ARE STILL NOT

GRAPPLING WITH AND DEALINGWITH THE STUFF THAT HAPPENED

SO LONG AGO.

I MEAN IF YOU THINK THATRACISM IS IN THE PAST, THEN

LEAVE THE FLAG IN THE PASTAS WELL.

WHY ARE WE STILL HOLDING ONTO IT.

>> (APPLAUSE)

>> HOW IS THIS NOT A RACIALINCIDENT.

YOU TRY TO TELL ME THAT A21-YEAR-OLD WHITE KID.

>> MAN, IN THE A KID.

>> WHITE MAN, DROVE FROM HISHOME IN SOUTH CAROLINA,

PASSED HOW MANY CHURCHES AREIN THE SOUTH, EVERYWHERE,

EVERY BLOCK, AND HE DROVEPAST ALL THESE CHURCHES, TO

THIS PARTICULAR CHURCH TOSHOOT BLACK PEOPLE TO SAY HE

HATES CHRISTIANITY.

THAT DOESN'T EVEN MAKE SENSE

>> NO, IT DOESN'T.

>> Larry: THE OTHER THING IDON'T UNDERSTAND --

>> SOUTH CAROLINA I THINK ISONE OF FIVE STATES THAT

DOESN'T HAVE A HATE CRIMESLAW.

YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'SSIGNIFICANT.

>> THAT IS SOUTH CAROLINA.

>> SOUTH CAROLINA, YOU KNOW,THEY HAVE WHAT, OF THEIR SIX

OR THEIR SEVEN CONGRESSMAN,YOU KNOW, SIX ARE

REPUBLICAN.

THEY GERRYMANDERED THE STATEQUITE WELL SO THEY COULD

BUST UP BLACK DISTRICT,STRONG BLACK DISTRICTS.

THE ONLY DEMOCRAT THEY HAVEHAPPENS TO BE

AFRICAN-AMERICAN.

>> I WANT TO ASK YOU THIS.

TO ME, WE USED TO JOKE ABOUTTHIS RACISM IS GONE WHEN ALL

THE OLD RACISTS ARE GONE.

BUT THIS GUY IS 21 YEARSOLD.

THAT IS WORRISOME TO ME. LIKE IFELT THAT YOUNGER

GENERATION, AND SOME OF THE LANGUAGE HE USED, WHEN

I SAID THAT'S LYNCH LANGUAGE,THAT

IS VERY CONCERNING TO ME,RAPING WOMEN AND ALL THAT.

>> I THINK THAT IS A FAMILYTHING.

THAT IS HIS FAMILY FEEDINGHIM THAT EVERY DAY.

>> YOU FIND COMMUNITIES, YOUCAN ALWAYS FIND COMMUNITIES

ON SOCIAL MEDIA.

BUT THIS IS ALSO WHEREPARENTS NEED TO STEP UP.

IF YOUR SON IS -->> HIS FATHER GAVE HIM A

GUN.

>> YOUR FATHER GAVE YOU-- IFYOU HAVE MENTAL ILLNESS, WHY

IS YOUR FATHER BUYING YOU A.45 CALIBRE GUN FOR YOUR

21st BIRTHDAY.

BUT ALSO, IF YOU ARE WEARINGA BADGE, I DON'T KNOW WHERE

HE GOT IT-- .

>> Larry: HOLD THAT.

LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT, WE'REBE RIGHT BACK AND WE'LL TALK

ABOUT THAT.

>> Larry: WELCOME BACK.

HUMOR'S HERE WITH MIKE YARD,JOAQUIN CASTRO, JOSHUA

DUBOIS, CHRISTINA GREER.

YOU WERE MAKING A POINTBEFORE, CHRISTINA ABOUT

SOME THE INSIGNIAS HE WASWEARING. ONE WAS SOUTH

AFRICA, APARTHEID FLAG.

>> THE OTHER ONE WAS FROMRODESIA, THIS IS BEFORE THE

INDEPENDENCE OF ZIMBABWE SO,WHERE DID YOU GET IT.

IF PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND,HE CLEARLY WANTED TO SHOW IT

OFF.

HE WORE IT, PROMINENTLY ONHIS JACKET.

>> Larry: HE WAS CLEAR ABOUTIT.

>> AND ALSO HIS FRIENDS ANFAMILY HAVE ALSO SAID THAT

HE ALWAYS TOLD RACIST JOKESBUT THEY DIDN'T REALLY THINK

THAT HE WOULD DO ANYTHINGABOUT IT, RIGHT.

AND HE JUST HAD SOUTHERNPRIDE.

I KNOW LOTS OF PEOPLE IN THESOUTH, RIGHT.

AND FOR ME WHEN I THINK OFORGANIZATIONS LIKE THE

SOUTHERN POVERTY LAW CENTEROR-- THESE ORGANIZATIONS IN

THE SOUTH THAT HAVE SOUTHERNPRIDE, IT IS ABOUT SOCIAL

JUSTICE AND HUMAN EQUITY,RIGHT?

SO YOU CAN'T JUST WRITE ITOFF AS SOUTHERN PRIDE.

>> Larry: I AGREE.

I DON'T LIKE IT WHEN THESOUTH IS SUMMARILY WRITTEN

OFF AS RACIST OR WHATEVER.

BELIEVE ME, RACE ISEVERYWHERE.

I WANT TO BRING UP THE OBAMATHING AGAIN.

LET'S SAY WHAT OBAMA SAIDTODAY ABOUT GUNS

>> WE DON'T HAVE ALL THEFACTS BUT WE DO KNOW THAT

ONCE AGAIN INNOCENT PEOPLEWERE KILLED IN PART BECAUSE

SOMEONE WHO WANTED TOINFLICT HARM HAD NO TROUBLE

GETTING THEIR HANDS ON AGUN.

AT SOME POINT WE AS ACOUNTRY WILL HAVE TO RECKON

WITH THE FACT THAT THIS TYPEOF MASS VIOLENCE DOES NOT

HAPPEN IN OTHER ADVANCEDCOUNTRIES.

>> Larry: THERE YOU GO.

COUPLE POINTS HERE.

I THOUGHT WHEN I SAW THAT, IWAS KIND OF SURPRISED HE

BROUGHT IT UP AT FIRST.

AND I ACTUALLY-- THAT ISWHAT I THOUGHT, WOW, HE WANT

THERE.

BECAUSE I THOUGHT IT WAS YES,IT WAS A POLITICAL STATEMENT,

I WAS SURPRISED HE MADETHAT BUT I THOUGHT IT WAS

VERY BRAVE, DO YOU HAVE ADIFFERENT OPINION?

>> YEAH, I MEAN I BELIEVE --I'M ALL FOR GUN CONTROL, I'M

ALL FOR IT.

BUT I BELIEVE IN THISSITUATION, IT DIDN'T MAKE

SENSE TO BRING IT UP.

I BELIEVE THAT IT JUSTCAUSES DISTRACTION FROM WHAT

WE REALLY SHOULD BE TALKINGABOUT AND THAT IS HAVING A

CONVERSATION ABOUT WHATWOULD CAUSE A YOUNG KID, A

YOUNG MAN TO GIVE UP HISFUTURE AND PERFORM AN ACT

LIKE THAT.

THIS IS WHAT WE'RE RUNNINGAWAY FROM AND TALKING ABOUT

GUNS IS CAUSES US TO RUNFURTHER AWAY FROM IT.

>> BECAUSE HE WAS GOING TOKILL PEOPLE WITH HE HAD GUNS

OR NOT.

IF HE HAD TO FASHION A BOWAND ARROW, HE WAS GOING TO

DO IT HE HATED BLACK PEOPLE.

>> I'M NOT SURE OF THAT.

I WOULD KIND OF TAKE MYCHANCES WITH A BOW AND

ARROW.

>> JUST SAYING, YOU CAN'TPULL IT RIGHT OUT.

>> I THINK THE PRESIDENT WASSAYING WE CAN'T JUST KEEP

GOING AFTER THE KILLERS ANDTHEN NOT TALKING ABOUT THE

INSTRUMENTS THAT THEY USE TOKILL.

AND THE IDEOLOGIES THATMOTIVATE THEM TO KILL. HE WAS

FOCUSING ON BOTH GUNS AND ACULTURE OF GUNS, IT'S NOT

JUST ABOUT ONE WEAPON VERSUSANOTHER.

SOME SAY IT IS A .45 CALIBRE,DO YOU WANT TO OUTLAW THOSE,

NO, IT IS THE GUN CULTURETHAT WE HAVE THAT MAKES IT

SO EASY TO ACCESS GUNS ANDKILL OTHER PEOPLE AND ABOUT

RACE AS WELL AM I THINK THEPRESIDENT MASTERFULLY

BROUGHT UP BOTH OF THOSE.

QUOTING FROM DR. KING IN HISSPEECH AFTER THE MURDER OF

THOSE FOUR LITTLE GIRLS ITHOUGHT IT WAS GREAT FOR HIM

TO BRING IT UP.

>> Larry: DO YOU THINK ITWAS GOOD TO BRING IT UP.

>> I THINK GUNS ARE PART OFIT, CERTAINLY CONCERNS ABOUT

MENTAL HEALTH BUT THERE'S ALARGER ISSUE HERE WHICH IS

THAT THIS I THINK WASDOMESTIC TERRORISM IT WAS

ABOUT AN IDEOLOGY OF HATE.

>> Larry: THAT IS THE REALWEAPON.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

YEAH.

>> LET'S NOT GET DISTRACTED.

>> LET'S BE REAL.

IF THEY DIDN'T CHANGE GUNCONTROL LAWS AFTER SANDY

HOOK WHAT MAKES YOU THINKIT'S GOING TO HAPPEN NOW.

>> Larry: YOU ARE ABSOLUTELYRIGHT.

I MEAN THAT TO ME IS THEBIGGEST THING, WHENEVER

PEOPLE TALK ABOUT THAT, IFKILLING SCHOOLCHILDREN FOR

CHRIST SAKES DOESN'T MAKEYOU CHANGE YOUR MIND, I'M

SORRY, AMERICA, YOU JUSTWANT GUNS AND YOU JUST WANT

TO DO THIS.

>> EXACTLY.

>> Larry: I'M VERYPESSIMISTIC ABOUT CHANGE IN

TERMS OF GUNS.

>> YEAH.

>> WELL, WE HAVE PRESIDENTALELECTIONS COMING UP.

AND WE ALSO KNOW THAT THENRA IS A VERY STRONG LOBBY

FOR REPUBLICAN CANDIDATES,ESPECIALLY.

SO I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOINGTO GET ANY SUB SAN DIFFICULT

GUN CONVERSATIONS ON THATSIDE AT ALL.

>> EXACTLY.

>> SO OF COURSE WE ARE NOWIN THESE POLARIZED

CONVERSATIONS WHERE IT SEEMSAS THOUGH IT'S A PARTISAN ISSUE

DEMOCRATS THINK WE NEED TOREIGN THIS IN, REPUBLICANS

SEE IT AS A SYMBOL OF THEGOVERNMENT OVERTAKING THEIR

FREEDOM.

WHICH IS PART OF THERHETORIC THAT THIS MAN

WAS TALKING ABOUT.

HOW HE FEELS AS THOUGH HE'SUNDER ATTACK BY THE

GOVERNMENT, WHICH IS CODEFOR THERE'S TOO MANY PEOPLE

OF COLOR HERE AND IDON'T-- .

>> Larry: AND IT'S ALSO TAKEOUR COUNTRY BACK KIND OF

BULL [BLEEP].

>> IT'S ALMOST A MANIA.

PEOPLE GET EXERCISED, THEYGET AFRAID OF BLACK PEOPLE,

THEY THINK BLACK FOLK AREGOING TO TAKE THEIR WOMEN OR

CAUSE SOME OTHER HARM.

>> Larry: I'M AFRAID BLACKFOLKS ARE GOING TO TAKE MY

WOMAN.

>> YOU KNOW, WELL, YOU KNOW,I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY

TALKING ABOUT THIS. THIS IS AVERY TOUGH SUBJECT

AND I APPRECIATE IT. WE'LL BERIGHT BACK