April 29, 2015 - Baltimore Unrest & "Thug" Debate

  • 04/29/2015

Chloe Hilliard, Charlamagne Tha God and Bob Costas join Larry to discuss the continued civil unrest in Baltimore and the racially charged debate surrounding the word "thug."

COMEDY CENTRAL>> Larry: CHOO!

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> LARRY, LARRY, LARRY!

LARRY, LARRY, LARRY!

>> Larry: THANK YOU VERYMUCH.

WELCOME TO THE NIGHTLY SHOW.

SOMEBODY BROUGHT IT UPBEFORE SO NOW-- BUT I THANK

YOU.

I'M LARRY WILMORE.

AND WE ARE IN DAY TWO OF OURCONTINUING COVERAGE OF THE

UNREST IN BALTIMORE.

AND IT FEELS LIKE THERE'SBEEN A LITTLE REST IN THE

UNREST IN THE LAST 24 HOURS.

BUT YOU KNOW, I CAUGHTSOMETHING ON CNN LAST NIGHT

THAT REALLY STOOD OUT.

HERE'S A REPORT THAT AIREDABOUT TEN MINUTES AFTER THE

10 P.M. CURFEW.

SEE IF YOU NOTICE SOMETHINGMISSING FROM THIS PICTURE.

AND HINT, IT'S NOT MISSINGYET.

>> WOULD YOU HAVE DONE IT? DOYOU THINK THAT IS THE RIGHT

THING?

>> THERE IS NO EASY ANSWERTO THAT.

WHAT IT APPEARS TO BE THATBALTIMORE IS TRYING TO

DO-- IS DO SOMETHING ALITTLE DIFFERENT HERE, NOT

BE AS CONFRONTATIONAL, BUTOF COURSE, THEY KNOW THEY

GOT TO GET THE MISSION DONE.

>> OKAY, SO AT THIS POINT,WHAT DO YOU DO?

DO YOU GO IN AND STARTARRESTING PEOPLE?

>> I THINK THEY DO JUST WHATTHEY'RE DOING RIGHT NOW.

(LAUGHTER)>> Larry: DID YOU SEE THAT?

THE BROTHER JUSTDISAPPEARED.

YOU SAW THAT.

IT WAS A BROTHER WALKINGTHERE, OKAY, WAIT, LET'S

WATCH IT ONE MORE TIME,OKAY?

ALL RIGHT THERE IS THE PASTCURFEW BROTHER, HE IS JUST

DOING A LITTLE HARMLESS COPHASSLING.

LOOK AT THIS, THAT IS A HUMV BLOCKING THE CAMERA.

GET OUT OF THE WAY, I CAN'TSEE, I CAN'T SEE.

GET OUT-- OKAY, IT'S GONE.

OKAY, WHAT DID THEY DO TOTHE BROTHER?

HE IS GONE!

THE BROTHER'S JUST GONE!

OH MY GOD!

WHAT THE-- NOW THAT IS SOMEGANGSTA [BLEEP] RIGHT THERE,

MAN.

IF YOUR GANG IS CALLED THENATIONAL GUARD.

CALM DOWN, LARRY, CALM DOWN.

NOW IT LOOKS LIKE HE WASKIDNAPPED BUT IT TURNS OUT,

THE HUM V BLOCK OUR VIEWWHILE THE POLICE ARRESTED

HIM AND TOOK HIM AWAY.

BUT THE STORY IS NOTABOUT THE POLICE ARRESTING A

GUY WHO WAS OUT PAST HISCURFEW, OKAY.

WE'RE TALKING SIMPLE OPTICSHERE.

NOW GUYS, DO YOU NOTREMEMBER THAT BALTIMORE

ERUPTED BECAUSE OF HOW AYOUNG BLACK MAN WAS KILLED

IN A MYSTERIOUS POLICE VANRIDE.

THEN ON NATIONAL TELEVISION,YOU HAVE A MYSTERIOUS POLICE

VEHICLE SHOW UP ANDDISAPPEAR ANOTHER BROTHER.

YOU KNOW, BALTIMORE, WHENYOU ARE UNDER ATTACK FROM

VIOLATIONS OF CIVIL RIGHTSIT'S PROBABLY BEST NOT TO

MANAGE THEM LIKE SOME KLANRALLY MAGICIAN.

PRESTO CHANGEO NO MORENEGRO.

THAT IS JUST HORRIBLE OPTICS.

>> IT'S JUST WRONG. AND IT DOESNOTHING TO HELP

REPAIR THE FRACTUREDRELATIONSHIP

BETWEEN BLACK FOLKS AND THEPOLICE.

DON'T WORRY, DON'T WORRY,IT'S OKAY, IT'S OKAY, RELAX,

RELAX.

NOBODY IS GOING TO GETDISAPPEARED, ALL RIGHT.

THAT'S JUST OUR IRONY ALERT.

THERE WE GO.

THE IRONY OF OUR IRONY ALERTIS THAT IT TAKES A BEAT TO

COME UP.

ALL RIGHT.

ALL RIGHT, OH, OH,IRONY-- OKAY, HANG ON FOR

SOME DRIPPING IRONY FROMFORMER BALTIMORE RAVENS

LINEBACKER RAY LEWIS.

>> NO WAY THIS CAN HAPPEN INOUR CITY.

GET OFF THE STREETS!

VIOLENCE IS NOT THE ANSWER.

VIOLATION HAS NEVER BEEN THEANSWER.

THAT'S RIGHT.

VIOLENCE HAS NEVER BEEN THEANSWER, ONCE-ACCUSED MURDERER

AND PROFESSIONAL CONCUSSIONGIVER, YOU ARE RIGHT.

NOW THE CITY IS TRYING TOMOVE ON.

THERE ARE A LOT OF HOPEFULIMAGES.

MORE THAN 10,000 PEOPLE HAVEBEEN PEACEFULLY PROTESTING.

EVEN OLDER CITIZENS HAVESTOOD UP FOR THEIR

NEIGHBORHOODS.

NOW LOOK, GUYS, I KNOW WENEED TO MOVE FORWARD AND

FOCUS ON THE FUTURE.

I GET THAT.

BUT I DON'T THINK WE CANFULLY MOVE FORWARD ON THIS

ISSUE UNTIL WE LOOK BACK.

BECAUSE YOU KNOW, WE'RE TIEDTO A-- LIKE A BIG-ASS ROCK

AND THE ROCK IS LIKE-- IT'SA RACIST ROCK, WHICH-- NOW,

ITS-- OKAY, LOOK, THEMETAPHOR ISN'T IMPORTANT,

ALL RIGHT?

(LAUGHTER)BUT WHAT IS IMPORTANT IS

THAT THERE ARE SOME VERYREAL ISSUES THAT NEED TO GET

ADDRESSED BEFORE ANYONEMOVES ON.

FOR INSTANCE, IT'S BEEN MORETHAN TWO WEEKS AND WE STILL

DON'T HAVE ANSWERS ON WHATHAPPENED TO FREDDIE GRAY.

ONE FACT THAT HAS EMERGED ISTHAT HE WAS ONLY THE LATEST

PERSON TO GO TOE-TO-TOE WITHTHE BALTIMORE POLICE VAN AND

LOSE.

>> THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OFATTENTION GIVEN TO WHAT HAS

BEEN CALLED QUOTE A ROUGHRIDE.

>> A WOMAN SAYS COPSHANDCUFFED HER.

THE DRIVER WAS SLAMMING ONTHE BRAKES TO RAM HER

AGAINST THE INSIDE OF THEVEHICLE.

>> I TELL YOU WHEN A COP ISSLAMMING ME AROUND IN THE

BLACK OF THE POLICE VANTRYING TO SERIOUSLY INJURE

ME, THAT DRIVER ISDEFINITELY ONLY GET GETTING

TWO STARS.

DAMMIT, THAT'S UBER. IT WOULD BECOOL IF WE WERE ABLE TO RATE

COPS IN AN APP, THOUGH. IT ISHARD TO

COMPLAIN ABOUT YOUR ROUGHRIDE WHEN YOUR DRIVER HAS, I

DON'T KNOW, KILLED YOU?>> BALTIMORE POLICE ARRESTED

A MAN FOR PUBLIC URINATIONIN 2005.

DIDN'T BUCKLE HIS SEAT BELT,THEN TOOK A HARD TURN.

DOCTORS SAY HIS SPINE WASDISLOCATED.

HE LATER DIED.

>> Larry: THIS IS DISGUSTING,GUYS.

AND THIS IS THE EXACT SAMETHING THAT HAPPENED TO

FREDDIE GRAY, TEN YEARSLATER.

LOOK BALTIMORE POLICE,KILLING PEOPLE IN THE VAN IS

NOT THE SPIDER-MAN ORIGINSTORY, YOU DO NOT NEED TO DO A

GRITTY REBOOT EVERY FEW YEARS,ACTUALLY HOLLYWOOD, THAT

GOES FOR THE ACTUALSPIDER-MAN ORIGIN STORY,

WHILE WE'RE AT IT.

APPARENTLY BALTIMORE HAS HADTO PAY OUT A TON OF MONEY

BECAUSE THEY JUST CAN'T STOPMISCONDUCTING.

>> THE CITY HAS MADE MORETHAN $5.7 MILLION DOLLARS IN

JUDGEMENTS AND SETTLEMENTSFOR ALLEGED POLICE

MISCONDUCT.

>> THIS INCLUDES SIX FIGURESETTLEMENTS FOR ALLEGEDLY

SLAMMING A PREGNANT WOMAN TOTHE GROUND.

FOR KILLING AN UNARMEDMARINE VETERAN.

AND FOR BEATING A CHURCHDEACON.

>> Larry: JESUS, BALTIMOREPD, A PREGNANT WOMAN, A VET

AND A CHURCH DEACON?

THAT IS LIKE THE HOLYTRINITY OF SYMPATHETIC

VICTIMS.

WHY NOT SHUT DOWN THESPECIAL OLYMPICS FOR NOISE

VIOLATION AND MAKE IT ANEVEN FOUR.

GOOD LORD.

I CAN'T EVEN BELIEVE THIS.

NOW LOOK, THE PROBLEMS WITHTHE POLICE ARE VERY BAD.

BUT IT IS JUST ONE ITEM ONTHE LIST.

THE UNEMPLOYMENT RATE INTHIS AREA IS 52 PERCENT,

AND THE MEDIUM INCOME INFREDDIE GRAY'S NEIGHBORHOOD IS

$250 BELOW THE FEDERAL POVERTYLINE.

THIS NEIGHBORHOOD DOESN'T JUST

WANT TO MOVE UP TO A DELUXEAPARTMENT IN THE SKY, JUST

MOVE ON UP TO BEING ABLE TOFEED THEIR KIDS. AND UNTIL

WE CAN DISAPPEAR SOME OFTHESE STATISTICS, AIN'T

NOBODY MOVING ON.

WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)>> Larry: WELCOME BACK.

YOU KNOW, SOMETHING INOTICED ABOUT THIS COVERAGE,

YOU KNOW THERE IS ONE WORDTHAT REPORTERS AND

COMMENTATORS, JUST FALL INLOVE WITH TO DESCRIBE THE

BALTIMOREANS OR BALTIMOMOSAS I LIKE TO SAME WHO ARE

LET'S JUST SAY THE LEADACTORS IN THE DRAMA THAT HAS

BEEN UNFOLDING.

>> THESE CHILDREN AREWANNABE THUGS.

>> THUGS IN THE STREET.

>> THUGS AND LOOTERS.

>> THUGS CAME OUT.

>> THE THUGS.

>> THE THUGS.

>> THUGS.

>> THUGS.

>> THUGS, KNOCK THE THUGRIGHT OUT OF HIM.

(LAUGHTER)>> Larry: THUG.

REALLY, THAT'S WHAT THEYARE.

>> CRIMINALS, AND THUGS WHOTORE UP THE PLACE.

>> ET TU, OBAMA.

YOU CHANGED, MAN. YOU KNOWWHO WOULDN'T HAVE SAID THAT.

CHOOM GANG BARACK.

(LAUGHTER)CHOOM GANG BARACK, RIGHT?

RIGHT?

COME ON.

WE KNOW IT'S TRUE. HE WOULD'VEOFFERED YOU A HIT

OF HIS JAZZ CIGARETTE, AND

RAPPED WITH YOU ABOUT THEOPPRESSIVE POLICE STATE.

CHOOM GANG BARACK WOULD HAVELENT YOU HIS PRINCE LP AND

THEN BEEN COOL WHEN YOUFORGOT TO GIVE IT BACK.

PEOPLE WOULD HAVE CALLEDCHOOM GANG BARACK A THUG.

I MISS CHOOM GANG BARACK.

(LAUGHTER)>> YOU KNOW, BUT-- I DON'T

LIKE THIS WHOLE USING THEWORD THUG.

I TELL YOU WHY, BECAUSE WHENPEOPLE SAY THUG, I THINK

THEY MEAN WHAT-- YOU KNOW,BALTIMORE COUNCILMAN CARL

STOKES HELP ME FIGURE OUTTHE WORD I'M SEARCHING FOR.

>> PRESIDENT OBAMA ALSOCALLED PROTESTERS IN HIS

WORD QUOTE, UNQUOTE,CRIMINALS AND THUGS.

ISN'T IT THE RIGHT WORD?

>> COME ON.

SO CALLING THEMENTHUSIASTICS-- JUST CALL

THEM NIGGERS.

JUST CALL THEM NIGGERS

>> DAMN, CARL.

I WAS JUST KIDDING ABOUTSCARING THE WHITE LADY.

SERIOUSLY, THE LAST TIME ABLACK GUY SHUT DOWN

A WHITE WOMAN ON NATIONAL TVLIKE THAT, KANYE HAD TO GO

INTO HIDING FOR A YEAR.

I WAS KIDDING.

WELL, HEY, THANKS TO THATCLIP, MR. STOKES GETS OUR

STRAIGHT UP BOSS OF THE WEEKAWARD.

THAT'S RIGHT.

YOU EARNED IT, CARL.

YOU EARNED IT.

BUT YOU KNOW, CARL WASN'TTHE FIRST PERSON TO NOTICE

THIS NEW SECRET CODE WORD.

>> I THINK IT USED TO BE THE"N" WORD.

NOW THEY ARE USING THUGINSTEAD OF THE "N" WORD.

AS A MORE ACCEPTED WAY OFSAYING IT.

>> RICHARD SHERMAN SHOULDKNOW, HE'S A THUG.

(LAUGHTER)>> Larry: JUST KIDDING,

RICHARD.

YOU KNOW YOU ARE MY NIGGA!

THERE'S A DIFFERENCE, GUYS.

THAT'S JUST SEMANTICS

BUT NOT EVERYBODYUNDERSTANDS THAT.

>> NOW SOME PEOPLE ARESUGGESTING COMMUNITY LEADER

THE WORD THUG IS EQUIVELANT TO

THE NEW N WORD.

>> HOW ORANGE IS THE NEWBLACK, THUG HAS BECAME THE

NEW N WORD.

>> SOME ARE SAYING THE TWORD HAS REPLACED THE "N"

WORD.

>> Larry: OKAY, ALL RIGHT, ITHINK WE'RE GOING TO NEED

EXTRA HELP SORTING THROUGHTHIS.

JOINING ME TO TALK ABOUTTHIS IS OUR NEW NIGHTLY SHOW

SOCIAL COMMENTATOR AND BLACKEGGHEAD OR BLEGGHEAD,

CHICAGO'S OWN FELONIOUS MUNK,WELCOME TO THE SHOW,

FELONIOUS.

(APPLAUSE)>> Larry: GOOD TO YOU HAVE

ON THE SHOW.

>> GOOD TO BE HERE.

>> Larry: SO LET'S GET RIGHTDOWN TO IT, FELONIOUS.

SO IS THUG THE NEW N WORD.

>> IT HAS NO MEETING IN THEDIASPORA OF OUR STRUGGLE,

BROTHER LARRY.

WHAT IS A WORD IF NOT ASIMULTANEOUS PROTEST HYMM

AND A CUDGEL OF THE POLICE STATEIN AND OF ITSELF.

(LAUGHTER)>> Larry: SO YEAH, OH.

WAIT, WHAT?

>> T-H-U-G, EACH LETTER ITS OWNNEXUS OF POTENTIALITY AND

SUBSERVIENCE. TO UNDERSTAND THETERM

YOU HAVE TO TRAVERSE THEAMPLITUDE OF

TIME ITSELF UNTIL YOU FINDYOURSELF IN 14th CENTURY

INDIA.

THERE THUGS WEREBANDS OF THIEVES WHO

STRANGLED THEIR VICTIMS ONLYTO THEN ROB THE CORPSES.

>> Larry: .

>> CUT TO.

>> Larry: CUT TO.

>> CUT TO HUNDREDS OF YEARSLATER.

THE RACIAL LEVIATHAN SUNKHIS TENDRILS INTO THESE

UNITED STATES AND THE THUGS,A THUG IS ANY PERSON OF EBONY

COMPLEXION WHOMSOEVERTHE STRUCTURES OF STATUS QUO

HAVE DEEMED JEOPARDOUS

>> Larry: OKAY.

SO I THINK YOU SAID ITSTARTED IN INDIA.

BUT NOW IT'S USED PRIMARILYTO DESCRIBE BLACK PEOPLE IN

JEOPARDY S THAT-- IS THATACCURATE?

>> LARRY, THE "N" WORD WAS ANARCOTIC TO THE RACIST.

>> Larry: OKAY.

>> LOOK TO THE BIGOT AFTERTHE WORD LEAVES HIS LIPS

YOU WILL SEE HIM ENVELOPED BYA LITHIUM HAZE OF ASSUAGEMENT

BUT NOW THAT WORD HAS BEENEXCISED FROM POLITE COMPANY.

LIKE SO MUCH RABBLE AND THEPROVERBIAL MAN NEEDS AN

ERSATZ SUBSTITUTE.

ERSATZ. I'M WITH YOU.

BUT LET'S SAY I WASN'T WITHYOU, LET'S JUST SAY.

HOW ELSE WOULD YOU BREAK ITDOWN.

>> LARRY, IF THE "N" WORD ISHEROIN, THEN THUG IS LIKE

OXYCONTIN.

YOU CAN GET THE SAMEEXHILARATION, BUT YOU CAN

USE IT IN PUBLIC.

>> Larry: GOT IT.

NOW I GET IT.

I GET IT.

>> YOUR EYES ARE OPEN,BROTHER LARRY.

>> Larry: I GET IT BUTHERE'S THE THING, WE SAW

THAT OBAMA SAID THUGYESTERDAY, IS OBAMA A RACIST.

>> HE WHO DONES THE TINYBLACK MUSTACHE BE NOT A NAZI,

THOUGH HIS VISAGE MAY CONJURETHE TERRIBLE RIGHT AND SO IT IS,

WITH THUG.

>> Larry: OKAY.

YOU'RE NOT NECESSARILY ARACIST IF YOU SAY THUG BUT

IT IS RACIST TO SAY THUG?

>> I GUESS IF YOU WANT TOOVERSIMPLIFY IT.

>> Larry: I DO WANT TOOVERSIMPLIFY IT THANK YOU,

FELONIOUS MONK, EVERYONE.

WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.

>> Larry: ALL RIGHT, WELCOMEBACK.

I'M HERE WITH MY PANELCOMEDIAN

CHLOE HILLIARD, ANDCHARLAMAGNE THA GOD.

THANKS FOR SHOWING UPIN MORTAL FORM.

>> WORD ABSOLUTELY.

>> AND HE WILL BE CALLINGTHIS YEAR'S KENTUCKY DERBY,

A LEGEND IN OUR OWN CHAIR,NBC SPORTS ANCHOR BOB COSTAS.

>> HEY, LARRY.

>> Larry: THE MAN RIGHTTHERE.

GUYS, I BARELY SLEPT LASTNIGHT THINKING ABOUT THIS.

SO LET'S GET INTO THIS.

TALKING ABOUT EVERYTHINGTHAT HAS GONE ON IN

BALTIMORE.

AND BY THE WAY, HAPPYANNIVERSARY.

>> WHICH ANNIVERSARY IS IT?

>> THIS IS THE 23rdANNIVERSARY OF THE RODNEY

KING RIOTS.

HAPPY ANNIVERSARY.

>> ABSOLUTERY.

>> THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT.

>> Larry: SO I GOT EVERYONEFIRE, I HOPE THAT'S OKAY.

>> YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENEDAFTER THE RODNEY KING RIOTS

THEY ACTUALLY POSTPONED FOURDODGER GAMES.

BUT THEY MADE THEM UP LATERIN THE YEAR.

BUT TODAY THEY PLAYED INFRONT OF NOBODY AT CAMDEN

YARD.

>> BASEBALL IS MUCH MOHRIMPORTANT NOW.

>> I GUESS IT MUST BE.

TO UNITE A CITY, EVEN WHENTHERE IS NO ONE THERE.

AND I THOUGHT IT WAS GREATWHEN THEY SAID NOW BATTING

FOR THE ORIOLES, MANNYMACHADO SINCE ALL THE

ORIOLES KNOW WHO HE IS ANDALL THE WHITE SOX KNOW WHO

HE IS, WHO IS THAT GOING TOBENEFIT.

>> Larry: THAT'S GREAT.

WHAT DOW DO AS A SPORTSANNOUNCER.

BOY, THE CITY IS ON FIRE.

SPEAKING OF BEING ON FIRE,THE ORIOLES.

>> THERE IS A LOT OF BADJOKES THAT I HOPE THEY STEER

CLEAR OF.

>> THIS IS THEANNIVERSARY-- .

>> Larry: WHAT'S GOING ONIN BALTIMORE IS A

CELEBRATION?

>> Larry: HAVE WE LEARNEDANYTHING YET.

IT HAS BEEN 23 YEARS, HAVEWE LEARNED ANYTHING?

>> CLEARLY NOT.

WHEN YOU DON'T CORRECTMISTAKES TO BEGIN WITH, THEN

WILL YOU CONTINUE TO KEEPMAKING THE SAME MISTAKES

OVER AND OVER.

I DON'T THINK NONE OF THOSEMISTAKES WERE EVER CORRECTED

IN THE JUDICIAL SYSTEM TOBEGIN WITH.

>> THAT IS BECAUSE EVERYBODYTHOUGHT IT WAS A FLUKE.

NOBODY THAT-- .

>> Larry: RODNEY KING.

>> NOBODY THOUGHT POLICEWENT AROUND BEATING PEOPLE.

AND-- .

>> Larry: NOBODY THOUGHTTHAT?

>> NOBODY.

AND OF COURSE WHO JUSTHAPPENS TO WALK AROUND WITH

A VIDEO CAMERAMENT NOW WEHAVE SMARTPHONES SO YOU

CAN -->> THAT WAS THE START

BECAUSE SOMEBODY FROM APRIMITIVE CAMERA FROM A

WINDOW WAS ABLE TO FILM WHATHAPPENED WITH RODNEY KING

I THINK THINGS HAVE CHANGEDOVERALL.

THINGS HAVE CHANGED, I THINKSOCIETALLY WE ARE BETTER OFF

IN WAYS THAT WE COULD TICKOFF.

BUT WHEN IT COMES TO THERELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE

POLICE AND LARGE SEGMENTS OFTHE COMMUNITY, PRIMARILY THE

AFRICAN-AMERICAN COMMUNITY,WE ARE STILL AT A VERY BAD

PLACE.

>> I THINK SOMETIMES OURRELATIONSHIP WITH POLICE IS

FINE, IT IS THE POLICE THATSEEM TO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH

US.

WE'RE NOT THE ONES GOINGAROUND KILLING THE POLICE

OFFICERS.

>> BUT NOW WE CAN HOLD THEMACCOUNTABLE BECAUSE WE HAVE

SMARTPHONES SO YOU CANEASILY TAKE A PICTURE OF

YOUR BOOBS AND FILM THE COPSBEATING SOMEBODY UP.

>> Larry: WHILE YOU ARETAKING A DICK PIC THERE MAY

BE SOMETHING HAPPENING INTHE BACKGROUND.

>> WE TALKED ABOUT THISWHOLE THING WITH THUGS BEING

THE NEW N WORD TO ME, THE"N" WORD, IT'S DOING OKAY BY

ITSELF.

IT DOESN'T NEED ANY HELP WITH ANEW WORD, YOU KNOW.

DO YOU THINK THAT IS TRUE.

IS THERE CODING IN THE WORDAT ALL?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

I THINK THUG IS THE NEW NWORD BUT PEOPLE DON'T

REALIZE THAT THUGS COME INANY COLOR AND OFTENTIMES

THEY ARE WEARING PINK POLOS.

>> WEREN'T AL CAPONE'S GUYSTHUGS? AREN'T UNION

BUSTERS, THUGS? DIDN'TPRESIDENT OBAMA AND THE

MAYOR OF BALTIMORE BOTH USETHE WORD THUG?

DOESN'T THUG HAVE AN ACTUALMEANING?

THAT ISN'T A RACIAL PEJORATIVEIT HAS TO BE USED

SELECTIVELY.

SOMEONE CALLED RICHARDSHERMAN WHOM I KNOW A THUG.

RICHARD SHERMAN GRADUATEDSECOND IN HIS CLASS AT

COMPTON HIGH SCHOOL. HEGRADUATED FROM STANDFORD.

HE DIDN'T ATTEND.

HE GRADUATED FROM STANDFORD.

NOW JUST BECAUSE-- JUSTBECAUSE HE WEARS DREADS AND

SOMETIMES HE TALKS TRASH HE ISTHE FURTHEST THING FROM A

THUG.

>> Larry: PEOPLE NEED TOKNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN

THUG AND THUG-LIKE.

>> HOWEVER, THERE ARE-- THEREARE SOME GUYS WHO HAVE

ATHLETIC ABILITY WHO ARETHUGS.

>> THUGS AREN'T ACTION, THUGTHUGS AREN'T NECESSARILY A

PERSON. NOBODY CALLS THOSE KIDSWHO RIOT AFTER THEIR FAVORITE

SPORTS TEAM LOSES THUGS.

>> THEY ARE CELEBRATING,THEY ARE VERY JOYFUL.

>> NO, THEY'RE DOUCHEBAGS>> EXACTLY.

>> BUT THERE IS ADIFFERENCE.

I REMEMBER WHEN THE INDIANATHING HAPPENED WHEN RON

ARTEST AND THE BIG FIGHTPEOPLE WERE CALLING THEM

THUGS.

IN HOCKEY THEY FIGHT EVERYSINGLE NIGHT.

THEY ARE NEVER CALLED THUGS.

>> COME ON, BOB WHAT IS UPWITH THAT?

>> ARE SPORTSCASTERS TO BLAMEFOR THESE RIOTS,

SERIOUSLY.

>> I WILL GIVE A SEMISERIOUS ANSWER.

I THINK SPORTSCASTERS HAVEBECOME BETTER OVER THE LAST

GENERATION IN RECOGNIZINGTHAT THEY WERE UNCONSCIOUSLY

SAYING, THIS MOSTLY WHITESPORTSCASTER, UNCONSCIOUSLY

SAYING THAT THE BLACKATHLETE IS TALENTED AND THE

WHITE ATHLETE IS RESOURCEFULAND GRITTY AND TOUGH.

NOW LARRY BIRD IS SO SMART.

HAVE YOU TALKED TO LARRYBIRD?

>> RIGHT.

>> Larry: HAVE YOU HAD ACONVERSATION WITH LARRY

BIRD.

>> HE WAS BASKETBALL SMART.

>> Larry: BASKETBALL SMART.

>> I THINK IF FOOTBALLPLAYERS ARE BLACK AND

CONSIDERED THUGS, I THINKEVERY SPORT WAY WHITE MAN

WHO HOLDS A STICK, THEY ARETHUGS TOO, SO BASEBALL, POLO,

LACROSSE.

>> Larry: YOU DON'T HAVE TOBE A THUG.

>> IT IS NOT FAIR TO CALLTHE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN

BALTIMORE WHICH I LIKE TOSAY NONPEACEFULLY PROTESTING,

IT IS NOT FAIR TO CALL THEMTHUGS AND NOT CALL THE COPS

THAT KILL FREDDIE GRAYTHUGS.

>> YEAH.

>> THEY'RE THE ONES WHOCOMMITTED THE CRIMINAL ACT.

NOBODY GOT MURDERED ON MONDAYDAY IN BALTIMORE WHEN THEY

WERE BURNING DOWN -->> NO, IT IS ALL ABOUT

BEHAVIOR AND ACTIONS.

IT'S NOT ABOUT WHO FALLSINTO WHAT DEMOGRAPHIC OR

WHAT ETHNICITY IT IS ABOUTBEHAVIOR AND ACTIONS.

>> Larry: THAT'S WHAT WE WANTIT TO BE. BUT IT NEVER SEEMS TO

FALL THAT WAY. I MEAN YOURPOINT, I BELIEVE THAT IS TORTURE

WHAT THOSE GUYS DID TO HIM.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

>> Larry: THAT HAS BEEN DONEBEFORE.

IF WE WANT TO USE WORDS, WESHOULD USE WORDS THAT HAVE

ACTUAL MEANING.

THEY TORTURED HIM.

>> THAT IS A MORTAL KOMBATFATALITY, TO HANDCUFF

SOMEBODY AND PUT THEM IN THEBACK OF

CRAZY, THAT IS A MORTALKOMBAT FATALITY, OKAY.

>> Larry: WHAT LEVEL?

(LAUGHTER)>> Larry: ALL RIGHT.

WE'LL TRY TO HAVE MORE HAPPYFUN ABOUT THIS, WE'LL BE

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