November 11, 2015 - Shonda Rhimes & GOP Candidates

  • 11/11/2015

Shonda Rhimes discusses her memoir "Year of Yes," and Larry examines failing GOP presidential campaigns with Franchesca Ramsey, Steve Kornacki and Jordan Carlos.

>> Larry: THANK YOU VERY MUCH!

PLEASE, PLEASE WELCOME TO"NIGHTLY SHOW."

HOLD ON A SECOND.

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AND BEFORE WE GET STARTED, HAPPYVETERANS DAY TO EVERYONE WHO

SERVED OUT THERE.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )ESPECIALLY TO MR. MAJOR AL

JONES.

THANK YOU, SIR, FOR YOURSERVICE.

WE HAVE A GREAT SHOW TONIGHT.

SHONDA RHIMES WILL BE JOINING USTONIGHT, GUYS.

( CHEERS )NOW, AS YOU KNOW, THE G.O.P.

DEBATE WAS LAST NIGHT, ATWO-HOUR CONTEST TO SEE WHO IS

BEST SUITED TO DENEGROIFY THEWHITE HOUSE.

I DON'T KNOW HOW IT'S GOING TOHAPPEN.

THAT MEANS IT'S TIME TO CHECK INWITH THE UNBLACKENING.

MMMM.

MMMM.

LAST NIGHT, I WENT HOME EARLY,POURED A GLASS OF WINE, LOCKED

THE DOOR IN CASE BEN CARSONTRIED TO BREAK IN AND STAB ME.

YOU NEVER KNOW.

YOU NEVER KNOW.

PICKED UP THE REMOTE SO I COULDWATCH ME A LITTLE REPUBLICAN

DEBATE ON THE FOX BUSINESSNETWORK, RIGHT.

AND THEN JUST LIKE EVERYONE NELSAMERICA, I SAID, "HONEY, DO WE

EVEN GET FOX BUSINESS NETWORK?"I MEAN, WHAT THE HELL IS THAT?

AND THIS IS WEIRD BECAUSE I LIVEALONE.

( LAUGHTER )I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO I'M

YELLING TO.

ALL RIGHT, FIRST LET'S CHECK INWITH NARCOLEPSY AMERICAN, BEN

CARSON.

>> AND WHAT WE HAVE TO RECOGNIZEIS PUTIN IS TRYING TO REALLY

SPREAD HIS INFLUENCE THROUGHOUTTHE MIDDLE EAST.

>> Larry: OKAY.

I DON'T EVEN CARE WHAT HE SAID!

I'M SO DISTRACTED.

HE'S ALWAYS CLOSING HIS EYES.

"AND PUTIN, AND PUTIN."

I THINK HE WRITES THE ANSWERSINSIDE HIS EYELIDS.

( LAUGHTER )( APPLAUSE )

I DO.

I REALLY DO, GUYS?

I'M SERIOUS.

RIGHT?

( APPLAUSE )AND THEN HE'S JUST READING THEM.

IT MAKES COMPLETE SENSE.

IF ANYONE IS CAPABLE OFSURGICALLY REMOVING HIS OWN

LIDS IT'S BEN CARSON.

OR RAND PAUL.

YOU'RE RIGHT.

SO FOX BUSINESS, SO OBVIOUSLYTHIS IS ABOUT ECONOMICS BUT IT'S

A REPUBLICAN DEBATE SO IT MIGHTGET A LITTLE JESUS-Y.

A LITTLE BIT.

AND NOBODY CAN MERGE THOSE TWOLIKE TED CRUZ.

>> THERE ARE MORE WORDS IN THEI.R.S. CODE THAN THERE ARE IN

THE BIBLE.

AND NOT A ONE OF THEM IS ASGOOD.

( LAUGHTER )>> Larry: I WOULD SAY "REFUND"

IS BETTER THAN "PLAGUE."

I MEAN--( APPLAUSE )

I'M JUST-- JUST COMPARING WORDS.

UNLESS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT APLAGUE OF REFUNDS.

( LAUGHTER )THEN THE BIBLE'S GOT IT RIGHT.

BUT YOU KNOW WHAT, IT'S THE TAXCODE.

WHAT'S WRONG WITH IT BEINGCOMPLEX?

HERE'S WHAT I WANT TO KNOW-- WHYIS COMPLEXITY A BAD THING TO

REPUBLICANS?

WE'RE THE WEALTHIEST COUNTRY INTHE HISTORY OF THE WORLD.

IT'S ALL RIGHT IF OUR TAX CODEHAS A LITTLE COMPLEXITY IN IT.

REPUBLICANS LOVE HAVING THISCONVERSATION AROUND ELECTIONS.

YOU DON'T WANT TO BE A SMARTELITIST.

YOU HAVE TO BE A DUMBED-DOWN,EVERYDAY JOE.

>> FOR THE LIFE OF ME, I DON'TKNOW WHY WE HAVE STIGMATIZED

VOCATIONAL EDUCATION.

WELDERS MAKE MORE THANPHILOSOPHERS.

WE NEED MORE WELDERS THANPHILOSOPHERS.

>> Larry: OUTSIDE OF THE FACTTHAT PHILOSOPHERS ACTUALLY MAKE

MORE THAN WELDERS, IT'S YOURPARTY'S PHILOSOPHY TO DESTROY

THE UNIONS THAT MAKE IT POSSIBLEFOR WELDERS WHO ARE TRYING TO

PROTECT THEIR JOBS!

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )I MEAN, THAT'S WHY ALL WELDERS

ARE BECOMING PHILOSOPHERS TOFIND OUT WHO THE ( BLEEP )THIS HAPPENED!

BUT THE ULTIMATE EXPRESSION OFCONTEMPT FOR HIGHER THINKING IS

THE FRONT-RUNNER HIMSELF.

>> THE T.P.P. IS A HORRIBLEDEAL.

IT IS A DEAL THAT IS GOING TOLEAD TO NOTHING BUT TROUBLE.

IT'S A DEAL THAT WAS DESIGNEDFOR CHINA TO COME IN, AS THEY

ALWAYS DO, THROUGH THE BACKDOORAND TOTALLY TAKE ADVANTAGE OF

EVERYONE.

>> HEY, GERARD, WE MIGHT WANT TOPOINT OUT CHINA IS NOT PART OF

THIS DEAL.

( APPLAUSE )>> Larry: LOOK, TRUMP IS

STUPID.

( LAUGHTER )( APPLAUSE )

( CHEERS )JUST PLAIN AND SIMPLE.

YOU SEE, CONTEMPT FOR HIGHERLEARNING, CRITICAL THINKING

OR AS THEY CALL IT ELITISM, ITWAS ALWAYS A STRATEGY FOR SMART

GUYS TO GET INTO OFFICE BUT NOWTHOSE SMART GUYS ARE GETTING

BURIED BY THEIR OWN CREATION OFDUMB.

THAT'S WHY JEB IS SO FRUSTRATED.

WHY DO YOU THINK HE HAS ANEXLAMATION POINT AT THE END OF

HIS NAME.

LET'S HEAR TRUMP TALK ABOUT OIL.

>> WE SHOULD HAVE GIVEN BIGCHUNKS TO THE PEOPLE THAT LOST

THEIR ARMS, THEIR LEGS, ANDTHEIR FAMILIES AND SONS AND

DAUGHTERS BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, YOUKNOW WHO HAS A LOT OF THAT OIL?

IRAN AND ISIS.

>> Larry: STUPID!

IT DOESN'T EVEN MAKE SENSE FORME TO BREAK IT THIS DOWN BECAUSE

IT'S JUST STUPID.

AND TO QUOTE PHILOSOPHER,FORREST GUMP'S MOM, STUPID IS AS

STUPID DOES.

VERY SMART.

BUT HERE'S THE THING, HERE'S THETHING-- AND IF STUPID GETS

POWER, IT CAN DOES SOME STUFFLIKE THIS.

>> LET ME JUST TELL YOU THATDWIGHT EISENHOWER, GOOD

PRESIDENT, GREAT PRESIDENT,PEOPLE LIKED HIM.

I LIKE IKE, RIGHT.

THE EXPRESSION, "I LIKE IKE,"MOVED A MILLION AND A HALF

ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS OUT OF THETHIS COUNTRY, MOVED THEM JUST

BEYOND THE BORDER.

THEY CAME BACK.

MOVED THEM AGAIN BEYOND THEBORDER.

THEY CAME BACK.

DIDN'T LIKE IT.

MOVED THEM WAY SOUTH.

THEY NEVER CAME BACK.

>> Larry: NOW, THIS MAY SEEMLIKE GO YET ANOTHER HARMLESS

SOUFFLE OF STUPIDITY, BUT FORTHOSE OF YOU WHO DON'T KNOW WHAT

TRUMP IS TALKING ABOUT-- AND I'MINCLUDING DONALD TRUMP HERE--

HE'S TALKING ABOUT A PROGRAMCALLED "OPERATION WETBACK."

IT WAS REALLY CALLED THAT.

IN THE SUMMER OF 1955, HUNDREDSOF THOUSANDS OF MEXICANS WERE

ROUNDED UP, LOADED INTO TRAINSAND BOATS AND DUMPED ACROSS THE

BORDER.

AND SOME EVEN HAD THEIR HEADSSHAVED SO BORDER AGENTS WOULD

KNOW THEY TRIED TO COME BACK.

IN JULY OF 1955, 88 DEPORTEDPEOPLE DIED AFTER BEING DUMPED

IN THE DESERT ON A 112-DEGREEDAY.

THIS, ACCORDING TO DONALD TRUMP,IS A MODEL HE WANTS AMERICA TO

REPEAT.

>> Audience: BOO!

>> Larry: THIS ISN'T FUNNYANYMORE.

IT'S JUST STUPID.

WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.

>> Larry: WELCOME BACK.

TONIGHT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ASPECIAL TALK WITH ONE OF MY

FAVORITE PEOPLE.

SHE'S THE CREATOR OF "GREY'SANATOMY" AND "SCANDAL" AND "HOW

TO GET AWAY WITH MURDER."

HER NEW BOOK IS CALLED "YEAR OFYES."

PLEASE WELCOME SHONDA RHIMES,EVERYBODY.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )NOW, SHONDA WE WANTED TO MAKE

YOU FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE SO WEHAVE RED WINE AND POPCORN HERE

BECAUSE I KNOW HOW YOU DO IT INSHONDALAND.

WE HAVE THE POPCORN HERE.

IN FACT, LET'S DO THIS INSHONDALAND.

THERE YOU GO.

YEAH.

I LIKE TO CALL THIS SHONDALANDEAST.

>> ALL RIGHT.

>> Larry: NOW, MAN, THAT'SREAL WINE.

THAT'S GOOD.

THAT'S NICE.

NOW, YOUR NEW BOOK "YEAR OFYES," SO YOU SPENT, WHAT WAS IT,

LIKE, A YEAR SAYING YES TOEVERYTHING?

>> ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALFSAYING YES TO BASICALLY

EVERYTHING I THOUGHT WASTERRIFYING, AWFUL, GONNA MAKE ME

FREAK OUT, YEAH.

>> Larry: WHAT WAS THE HARDESTTHING TO SAY YES TO?

>> BEING ON TALK SHOWSREALLY?

>> YES.

>> Larry: THIS WAS THE HARDESTTHING?

>> ONE OF THEM.

I THINK I HAVE SUCH A PANIC AND FEAR OF PUBLIC SPEAKING OR

BEING IN PUBLIC.

I'M REALLY AN INTROVERT.

I WAS VERY SHY WHEN THIS BEGAN,SO I WOULD GO INTO A FULL PANIC,

FULL PANIC.

AND I WOULDN'T REMEMBER DOINGTHE INTERVIEWS.

>> Larry: IN YOUR BOOK YOUKEEP MENTIONING-- I FELT LIKE I

WAS GOING TO POOP IN MY PANTS."

ANOTHER ONE OF THE THINGS YOUSAID YES TO?

>> NO, I SAID NO TO POOPING INMY PANTS.

>> Larry: AND YOU ALSO TALKEDABOUT THIS THING YOU CALLED

"FIRST ONLY DIFFERENT."

>> YEAH.

>> Larry: THAT'S INTERESTING.

WHAT IS THAT?

>> I CALLED IT F.O.D.

BECAUSE, I DON'T KNOW, A LOT OFUS HAVE THIS.

IF YOU ARE A PERSON OF COLOR, IFYOU ARE THE FIRST WOMAN I

DON'T KNOW, IF YOU AREDIFFERENTLY ABLED AND YOU ARE

THE ONLY ONE TO HAVE EVER DONESOMETHING, YOU ARE AN F.O.D.

OBAMA IS AN F.O.D.

SERENA WILLIAMS -->> THAT'S A NICER NAME THAN.

>> YEAH.

SEVENA WILLIAMS IS AN F.O.D.

BEING IN THIS JOB, YOU ARE ANF.O.D.

AND IT MEANS EVERYBODY TREATSYOU LIKE THERE'S SOMETHING VERY

SPECIAL ABOUT THE FACT THATYOU'RE ABLE TO DO THIS JOB WHILE

BEING A WOMAN AND BEING A WOMANOF COLOR WHEN REALLY, YOU KNOW,

YOU'RE DOING IT THE SAME WAYANYBODY ELSE WOULD DO IT.

>> Larry: WAS IT BEINGISOLATED AS THE F.O.D., THAT

MADE YOU WANT TO DO "YEAR OFYES."

>> I THINK THE STAKES AREHIGHER.

WHEN YOU ARE A WOMAN THAT MAKESA SHOW WITH THE FIRST AFRICAN

AMERICAN LEAD IN 37 YEARS -->> I'M GOING TO HAVE SOME WINE

WHILE YOU'RE SAYING THIS.

>> YOU DRINK UP.

IF YOU FAIL THEY'RE NOT GOING TODO IT AGAIN.

>> Larry: AND THERE WILL BE ALOT OF BLACK WOMEN WHO WILL BE

MAD AT YOU, TOO.

>> YES, THE STAKES ARE HIGH.

>> Larry: I REMEMBER WHENMARGARET CHO HAD HER SHOW, AND

IT DIDN'T WORK THEY SAID, "WECAN'T DO A SHOW WITH KOREANS."

HOW MANY WHITE PEOPLE HAVE AFAILED SHOW-- ONE KOREAN DOESN'T

MAKE IT, AND THAT'S IT.

>> YES.

>> Larry: IT'S AMAZING TO ME.

( APPLAUSE )SO I'VE HEARD YOU TALK ABOUT THE

NOTION-- PEOPLE LIKE TO SAYYOU'VE BROKEN THAT GLASS CEILING

BUT YOU KIND OF RESISTED THAT ALITTLE BIT.

IS IT BECAUSE YOU THINK THEY'REGOING TO MAKE A SISTER PAY FOR

THE CEILING?

NO ONE HAS OWN AID NIGHT OFTELEVISION SINCE AARON SPELLING.

WAS THAT IN THE 70s WHEN THATHAPPENED?

>> 70s, YEAH( APPLAUSE ).

>> Larry: ABSOLUTELY.

I THINK IT WAS "CHARLIE'SANGELS" "STARSKY AND HUTCH"

SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

THAT'S HUGE?

>> IT IS, BUT -->> YEAH.

>> I DON'T KNOW, THERE WERE ATON OF OTHER PEOPLE WHO CAME

BEFORE ME.

THERE WERE A TON OF OTHER WOMENWHO CAME BEFORE ME.

I FELT THERE WAS A SENSE OFTHERE ARE OTHER FOOT PRINTS WHO

RAN IN THEM BEFORE YOU GOT THEREAND MADE THIS HAPPEN.

>> Larry: ON SCANDAL PAPAPOPE SAID BLACK PEOPLE

NEED TO WORK TWICE AS HARD TOACHIEVE HALF AS MUCH.

>> YES.

>> Larry: I HAVE TO DRINKTWICE AS MUCH TO GET HALF THE

BUZZ.

WHY IS THAT SAYING SO IMPORTANTTO YOU?

AND DOES IT STILL HOLD TRUE?

>> I THINK IT DOES STILL HOLDTRUE.

IT'S INTERESTING.

PEOPLE ASK ME, WHO SAID THAT TOME, WHERE IT CAME FROM?

I GREW UP -->> I'M IN SHONDALAND.

>> I UNDERSTAND, I UNDERSTAND.

I GREW UP ALWAYS SO KNOWING THATPHRASE IT'S JUST BEEN THERE, THE

SAME WAY I'M BLACK HAS BEENTHERE.

IT'S JUST NEVER BEEN A THINGTHAT I'VE EVER THOUGHT ABOUT,

LIKE WHY WOULD THAT BE.

>> Larry: IT'S NOT LIKE YOULOOKED IN THE MIRROR AND WENT,

"( BLEEP )!

I'M BLACK.

GUESS I BETTER WORK TWICE ASHARD.

I DON'T KNOW."

( LAUGHTER )YOU NEVER KNOW.

IT COULD HAVE HAPPENED THAT WAY,BY THE WAY.

>> IT COULD HAVE, I SUPPOSE.

BUT, YEAH, IT'S JUST BEEN PARTOF MY LIFE SO IT'S NEVER

OCCURRED TO ME.

>> Larry: SHONDA THIS IS WHEREYOU HAVE TO KEEP IT 100% REAL.

KEEP IT 100.

SHONDA YOU READY?

KEEP IT 100.

SHONDA, HAVE YOU EVER KILLED OFFA CHARACTER BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T

LIKE THE ACTOR?

( LAUGHTER )AND EXTRA BONUS POINTS-- WHO WAS

IT?

( LAUGHTER )KEEP IT 100.

KEEP IT 100.

DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT LYING.

THIS IS YOUR YEAR OF YES,SHONDA.

>> YES.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )AND I'M NOT NAMING NAMES.

>> Larry: NO!

>> Audience: BOO!

>> Larry: KEEP IT 100.

GUESS WHAT, THAT'S ALL RIGHT,SHONDA RHIMES, EVERYBODY.

>> Larry: WELCOME BACK.

I'M HERE WITH MY PANEL.

"NIGHTLY SHOW" CONTRIBUTORJORDAN CARLOS.

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SO LAST NIGHT, YET ANOTHERTELEVISED DEBATE.

>> YES.

>> Larry: AND A-->> WE MADE IT.

>> Larry: I KNOW.

SO FOR ME, BASED ON LAST NIGHT'SDEBATE, THERE ARE STILL TOO MANY

PEOPLE RUNNING.

AND I JUST WANT TO ASK-- I JUSTWANT TO ASK AS A FIRST

QUESTION-- WHO SHOULD JUST STOPRIGHT NOW?

( LAUGHTER )RIGHT NOW.

>> STOP RIGHT NOW.

>> Larry: RIGHT NOW.

>> IF ANYBODY HAD A BAD NIGHTLAST NIGHT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE A

LOT OF THE CONVENTIONAL WISDOMWAS THEY ALL WON IN SOME WAY, I

THINK KASICH THE OHIO GOVERNORPROBABLY HAD THE WORST NIGHT.

FROM YOUR STANDPOINT, IF YOU'RELOOKING TO THIN THE FIELD, THE

BAD NEWS IS IF KASICH GOES OFFTHE STAGE CHRISTIE MAY TAKE HIS

SPOT RIGHT AWAY BECAUSE HE HAD AGOOD NIGHT IN THE KIDS' TABLE

DEBATE.

>> HE HAD A GOOD NIGHT IN THEKIDS' TABLE DEBATE?

THAT'S LIKE SAYING YOU'RE THEBIGGEST CHIHUAHUA IN

CLEVELAND.

>> LINDSEY GRAHAM IS STILL IN ITBUT POLLING AT 0%.

LINDSEY GRAHAM, JIM MARTIN -->> THEY WON'T EVEN LET HIM IN

THE DEBATES ANYMORE.

HE'S KIND OF OUT.

>> GUESS WHAT?

I JUST MADE UP THAT GUY JIMMARTIN.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ).

>> Larry: LINDSEY GRAHAM, YOUTHINK?

>> HONESTLY, I THINK HE SHOULDTAKE HIS SEERSUCKER ASS BACK TO

SOUTH CAROLINA.

>> Larry: I DON'T EVEN THINKHE HAS NUMBERS IN SOUTH CAROLINA

WHERE HE'S FROM.

SOME PEOPLE IT'S JUST SOPATHETIC RIGHT NOW.

IT'S LIKE A MERCY KILLING.

>> I FEEL LIKE WE'RE SEEING ALITTLE CLARITY IN THIS.

TRUMP AND CARSON, OBVIOUSLY, AREOUT IN FRONT IN THE POLLS.

TRUMP AND CARSON ARE OUT INFRONT OF THE POLLS, AND CRUZ AND

RUBIO I THINK ARE POSITIONED TOMOVE UP IF THEY START TO FALL

BACK A LITTLE.

AND THEN I THINK YOU CAN DRAW ALINE.

JEB BUSH I WOULD PUT BEYOND THETOP FOUR AT THIS POINT.

HE HAS TO SHOW A LOT MORE THANHE'S SHOWN TO GET INTO THIS

THING.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO KEEP TRUMP INIT JUST FOR MY AMUSEMENT.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE.

>> IT'S TERRIFYING.

THE FACT THAT HE'S STILL ACONTENDER.

THE CHANCE OF HIM ACTUALLYGETTING INTO THE WHITE HOUSE

TERRIFIES ME.

>> THE ELECTION IS A YEAR AWAYAND THE FIRST PRIMARY IS IN

JANUARY.

>> Larry: JANUARY OR FEBRUARY?

>> I THINK IT'S JANUARY.

WE HAVE VERY SMART PHONES.

WE CAN FIGURE IT OUT.

>> Larry: ALL RIGHT.

>> NO, HONESTLY, I FEEL LIKE YOUKNOW I'D LOVE TO SEE A TALKING

BUTTERNUT SQUASH.

I THINK THAT'S AMAZING.

AND I THINK CARLY SHOULD STAYIN.

I LOVE TO SEE TALKING GOURDS.

AND I WOULD LOVE TO SEE SOMEBODYLIKE CARLY WHO IS TOTALLY OUT OF

HER GOURD.

THAT'S GREAT, TOO.

RUBIO CAN HANG OUT.

YOU NEED, LIKE, A DESIGNATEDDRIVER.

>> Larry: THIS IS LIKE ACARPOOL ANALYSIS?

>> YES, EVERYTHING IS A CARPOOL.

>> Larry: WHAT ABOUT RUBIO?

WHAT IS YOUR OPINION OF HIM?

I THINK RUBIO, IN MY MIND, HASTHE BEST CHANCE.

IF THERE'S ANYONE IN THE FIELDWHO HAS THE CHANCE OF WINNING

THE ELECTION, NOT JUST THENOMINATION, WINNING THE

ELECTION, I THINK IT'S MARCORUBIO.

>> YOU'RE FROM FLORIDA.

WHY DON'T YOU GIVE IT TO YOURFLO-RIDER.

>> FIRST OF ALL, I TOLD YOU THEFLORIDA THING IN CONFIDENCE.

HOW DARE YOU?

>> I APOLOGIZE.

>> HOW DARE YOU.

>> TO BE FAIR IT'S REALLY HARDBEING A FLORIDIAN.

IT'S KIND OF LIKE STOCKHOLMSYNDROME.

WE JUST DEAL WITH WHATEVER WE'VEBEEN GIVEN.

>> Larry: IT IS CRAY-CRAY.

>> HONESTLY.

I'M STILL REALLY ANGRY AT DONALDTRUMP FOR MAKING ME AGREE WITH

JEB BUSH LAST NIGHT.

>> Larry: REALLY?

>> I DID AGREE WITH HIM ON THEIMMIGRATION THING AND I WAS JUST

LIKE, "HOW DARE YOU, TRUMP!

I DON'T WANT TO AGREE WITH JEB."

IT'S BAD ENOUGH I LIVED IN THESAME STATE WITH HIM.

>> I FEEL LIKE IT'S AN EMOTIONALTHING--

>> I'M ON THE VERGE OF ABREAKDOWN RIGHT NOW.

>> A LOT OF TRUMP'S POSITIONS,IT REALLY DOES MAKE EVEN TED

CRUZ SEEM REASONABLE.

>> A LOT OF TRUMP'S POSITIONS,IT'S INTERESTING, WE THINK --

>> I JUST HAVE TO SAY, TED CRUZ,I BELIEVE, IS VERY SMART.

HE'S JUST CRAZY AS ( BLEEP ).

>> YEAH.

>> Larry: HE'S ONE OF THOSEREAL SMART GUYS BUT JUST THE WAY

HE-- OOIK LIME WHOA.

BACK UP.

>> THE THING WITH TRUMP, IT'SINTERESTING, I THINK WE TEND TO

LOOK AT HIM AND REFLEXIVELY SAYHE'S A RIGHT WING GUY.

>> Larry: I DON'T THINK SO,NO.

>> WHEN YOU LISTEN TO HIM TALKABOUT THE IRAQ WAR, I CAN'T

THINK OF-- BESIDES RAND PAUL, ICAN'T, OF A SINGLE MAJOR

REPUBLICAN POLITICIAN NATIONALLYWHO WILL GO OUT THERE AND SAY,

"THE IRAQ WAR WAS A TOTALMISTAKE.

WE NEVER SHOULD HAVE GONE IN."

ENEQUIVOCALLY.

>> Larry: JEB WILL SAY ITUNDER HIS BREATHE

>> HE HAS TROUBLE ADDRESSINGTHAT QUESTION.

>> IT'S THE WAY TRUMP SAYS IT,"IT WAS A BIG MISTAKE.

IT'S TERRIBLE.

I CALLED IT."

YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?

>> GL BUT RAND PAUL HAS CALLEDIT OUT.

RAND PAUL HAS SAID IT'S AMISTAKE BUT THEY HATE RAND PAUL.

>> I THINK THAT'S THE DIFFERENCEBETWEEN TRUMP AND PAUL.

PAUL TALKS ABOUT-- REPUBLICANSLOOK AT PAUL AND SAY HE'S NOT

PART OF OUR TRIBE.

WE CAN'T GO FORTH.

I THINK THEY LOOK AT TRUMP ANDSAY WE COULD SIGN UP FOR THIS.

>> Larry: DID ANYONE THINK BENCARSON WAS GOING TO STAB ANYONE

LAST NIGHT?

>> I ACTUALLY THOUGHT -->> DID YOU THINK THAT WOULD

HAPPEN?

>> NO.

>> STAB WATCH.

>> I ACTUALLY THOUGHT THEOPPOSITE.

I THOUGHT BEN CARSON HAD BEENSTABBED.

>> Larry: RAIL?

>> HE WAS GOING IN AND OUT OFCONSCIOUSNESS.

I FELT BAD FOR HIM.

HE WAS, LIKE, FALLING ASLEEP,AND WHEN HE CAME TO, HE WENT OFF

ON THIS WEIRD THING ABOUT MAKINGTHE JIHADISTS LOOK LIKE LOSERS.

ARE WE GOING TO TALK CRAP ABOUTTHEM ON FACEBOOK?

I REALLY-- HE LOST ME WITH THATONE.

>> PEOPLE SAY THINGS LIKE THATIN THEIR FINAL MOMENTS

HAVE TO GO BUT LET'S PLAY AQUICK LITTLE GAME, "HAMMER,

STAB, OPERATE."

WHICH ONE OF THE CANDIDATESSHOULD BEN CARSON HIT WITH A

HAMMER, WHICH ONE SHOULD HESTAB, AND WHOSE BRAIN SHOULD HE

OPERATE ON?

>> I WOULD SAY STAPKA-SHUCK-A-SHUCK.

>> Larry: HE'S SUCH A NICEMAN.

HE DOESN'T EVEN WANT TO BETHERE.

HE'S SO UNCOMFORTABLE ON THESTAGE.

HE'S BARELY KEEPING IT TOGETHER.

HE'S LIKE I HATE THESE( BLEEP ).

>> THAT'S THE PERFECT REASON,AND I NEVER KNOW HOW TO SAY HIS

NAME RIGHT.

GET RID OF HIM.

>> Larry: YOU'RE GOING TO STABTHE NICEST GUY UP THERE?

WHO WOULD YOU HIT WITH A HAMMERGIWOULD ALSO SAY DONALD TRUMP.

I FEEL LIKE YOU COULD HIT HIM INTHE HEAD WITH THE HAMMER AND

THAT'S KIND OF LIKE THEANESTHESIA FOR THE OPERATION.

>> Larry: WHOSE BRAIN GETSOPERATED ON?

>> I SAY DONALD TRUMP BECAUSE ITWOULD BE A REALLY FAST

PROCEDURE.

THERE'S NOT MUCH TO WORK WITH.

>> Larry: THAT'S SO BAD.

OKAY.

WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ).

>> Larry: WELCOME BACK.

TONIGHT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ASPECIAL TALK WITH ONE OF MY

FAVORITE PEOPLE.

SHE'S THE CREATOR OF "GREY'SANATOMY" AND "SCANDAL," AS WELL

AS THE EXECUTIVE PROSECUTOR OF"HOW TO GET AWAY WITH MURDER."

HER NEW BOOK IS CALLED "YEAR OFYES."

PLEASE WELCOME SHONDA RHIMES,EVERYBODY.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )THANKS FOR COMING.

SHONDA, WE WANTED TO MAKE YOUFEEL MORE COMFORTABLE, SO WE

HAVE SOME RED WINE AND POPCORNHERE.

BECAUSE I KNOW HOW YOU DO IT INSHONDA LAND.

CHEERS.

WE HAVE THE POPCORN THERE.

LET'S DO THIS INTHERE YOU GO.

I LIKE TO CALL THIS SHONDALANDEAST.

ALL RIGHT.

NOW, MAN, THAT'S REAL WINE.

THAT'S GOOD.

THAT'S NICE.

NOW, YOUR NEW BOOK "YEAR OFYES," SO YOU SPENT WHAT WAS IT,

LIKE, A YEAR SAYING YES TOEVERYTHING?

>> ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALFSAYING YES TO BASICALLY

EVERYTHING THEY THOUGHT WASTERRIFYING, AWFUL, GOING TO MAKE

ME FREAK OUT, YEAH.

>> Larry: WHAT WAS THE HARDESTTHING TO SAY YES TO?

>> BEING ON TALK SHOWS.

>> Larry: REALLY?

>> YEAH.

>> Larry: THIS WAS THE HARDESTTHING.

>> ONE OF THEM.

I THINK I HAVE SUCH A PAN AND ICAN FEAR OF PUBLIC SPEAKING OR

BEING IN PUBLIC.

I'M REALLY AN INTROVERT.

I WAS VERY SHY WHEN THIS BEGAN.

I WOULD GO INTO A FULL PANIC,FULL PANIC.

AND I WOULDN'T REMEMBER DOINGTHE INTERVIEWS.

>> Larry: IN YOUR BOOK YOUKEEP MENTIONING, "I FELT LIKE I

WAS GOING TO POOP IN MY PANTS."

IS THAT ANOTHER ONE OF THETHINGS YOU SAID YES TO.

>> NO, I SAID NO TO POOPING INMY PANTS.

>> Larry: WHAT DO YOU THINK ISMORE IMPORTANT IN SUCCESS,

ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE FACT YOU'RENOW A VERY POWERFUL PERSON IN

SHOW BUSINESS, BEING A WOMAN, APERSON OF COLOR, ALL THOSE

THINGS.

IS IT BEING ABLE TO SAYEFFECTIVE YESES OR EFFECTIVE

NOS?

>> I THINK IT'S KNOWING WHEN TOSAY NO.

AND KNOWING WHEN TO SAY YES,ABSOLUTELY.

AND HAVING THE POWER TO,FRANKLY.

>> Larry: YEAH.

DO YOU FIND YOU HAVE MORE POWERTO SAY NO NOW OR MORE POWER TO

SAY YES?

>> BOTH.

YOU KNOW, I THINK ABSOLUTELYBOTH.

>> Larry: WHICH ONE IS MOREFUN?

COME ON.

>> IT'S MORE FUN TO SAY NO, IHAVE TO SAY.

>> Larry: REALLY?

IS THAT GOING TO BE YOUR NEXTBOOK?

( LAUGHTER )>> "THE YEAR OF NOS."

>> Larry: AND YOU ALSO TALKEDABOUT THIS THING YOU CALLED

FIRST ONLY DIFFERENT.

>> YEAH.

>> Larry: THAT'S INTERESTING.

WHAT IS THAT?

>> I CALL IT F.O.D.

BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW, A LOT OFUS HAVE THIS.

IF YOU ARE A PERSON OF COLOR, IFARE THE FIRST WOMAN, IF YOU

ARE-- I DON'T KNOW, IF YOU AREDIFFERENTLY ABLED, AND YOU ARE

THE ONLY ONE TO HAVE ONLY DONESOMETHING, YOU HAVE AN F.O.D.

OBAMA IS AN F.O.D.

>> Larry: THAT'S A NICER NAMETHAN--

>> YES, YES.

SERENA WILLIAMS IS AN F.O.D.

BEING IN THIS JOB, YOU ARE ANF.O.D.

AND IT MEANS EVERYBODY TREATSYOU LIKE THERE'S SOMETHING VERY

SPECIAL ABOUT THE FACT THATYOU'RE ABLE TO DO THIS JOB WHILE

BEING A WOMAN AND BEING A WOMANOF COLOR WHEN, REALLY, YOU KNOW,

YOU'RE DOING IT THE SAME WAYANYBODY ELSE IS DOING IT.

>> Larry: HAS THERE BEEN ANYPARTICULAR EXPERIENCE OF BEING

AN F.O.D., THAT MAKES ADIFFERENCE OF JUST BEING-- LIKE

FOR ME I COULD JUST BE THEH.N.I.C., BUT WHAT ABOUT THAT,

THAT HAS MADE THIS THE THE MOSTUNIQUE THING?

AND HOW DOES THIS TIE INTO THEYEAR OF YES?

OR WAS IT BEING ISOLATED AS THEF.O.D. THAT MADE YOU WANT TO DO?

>> I FEEL THEISTRATION HIGHER.

WHEN YOU ARE THE PERSON THATMAKES THE SHOW THAT HAS THE

FIRST AFRICAN AMERICAN LEAD IN37 YEARS --

>> I'M GONNA HAVE SOME WINE.

>> YOU DRINK UP.

IF YOU FAIL, THEN THEY'RE NOTGOING TO DO IT AGAIN.

>> Larry: THERE ARE A LOT OFBLACK WOMEN THAT WILL BE MAD AT

YOU, TOO?

>> YES.

BUT A GENERATION OF ACTRESSESARE GOING TO HAVE TO PLAY

SUPPORTING ROLES FOR A WHILE.

THE STAKES ARE HIGH.

>> Larry: I NOTICED THAT, TOO.

I REMEMBER WHEN MARGARET CHO HADHER SHOW, SHE HAD A SITCOM, AND

WHEN IT DIDN'T WORK, THEY SAID,"WELL, WE CAN'T DO A SHOW WITH

KOREANS?"HOW MANY WHITE PEOPLE HAVE SHOWS

THAT FAIL AND ONE KOREAN DOESN'TMAKE IT AND THAT'S IT?

>> YEAH.

>> Larry: IT'S AMAZING TO ME.

( APPLAUSE )THAT WAS REVOLUTIONARY.

IT'S FUNNY HOW "GREY'S ANATOMY"WAS REVOLUTIONARY JUST FROM THE

CASTING.

>> YEAH.

>> Larry: AND YOU ALWAYSCOMMENT ON THAT.

IT'S NO BIG DEAL FOR YOU.

>> I FEEL LIKE I MADE THE SHOWLOOK LIKE THE NORMAL WORLD

LOOKS, AND EVERYBODY KEPTSAYING, "THAT'S SO

REVOLUTIONARY, THAT'S SOTRAILBLAZING."

AND I SAID TO MAKE PEOPLE LOOKNORMAL, MAKE THE WORLD LOOK LIKE

THE WORLD LOOKS.

ON TELEVISION IT WASREVOLUTIONARY.

>> Larry: WHERE DID YOU FINDTHESE PEOPLE.

WHAT WORLD DID THEY COME FROM?

AND I'VE HEARD YOU TALK ABOUTTHE NOTION-- PEOPLE LIKE TO SAY

THAT YOU HAVE BROKEN THAT GLASSCEILING BUT YOU'VE KIND OF

RESISTING THAT A LITTLE BIT.

IS IT BECAUSE YOU THINK THEY'REGOING TO MAKE A SISTER PAY FOR

THE CEILING?

I KIND OF AGREE WITH THAT.

YOU HAVE-- YOU BURST THROUGHTHAT CEILING IN A LOT OF

DIFFERENT WAYS.

LET ME GIVE THE AUDIENCE SOMEINFORMATION.

NO ONE HAS OWNED A NIGHT OFTELEVISION SINCE AARON SPELLING,

AND WAS THAT IN THE 70s WHENTHAT HAPPENED?

>> 70s, YEAH.

>> THAT WAS THE 70s--( APPLAUSE )

YES, ABSOLUTELY.

I THINK IT WAS, LIKE, "CHARLIE'SANGELS" "STARSKY AND HUTCH"

SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

THAT'S HUGE.

>> IT IS BUT -->> YEAH.

>> BUT IT'S NOT-- TO ME IT'S NOTABOUT ME BREAK THE GLASS

CEILING.

I FEEL LIKE THERE WERE A TON OFOTHER PEOPLE.

I DON'T KNOW, THERE WERE A TONOF OTHER PEOPLE WHO CAME BEFORE

ME.

THERE WERE A TON OF OTHER WOMENWHO CAME BEFORE ME.

I FEEL LIKE THERE IS A SENSE OFYOU ARE RUNNING INTO THE FOOT

PRINTS OF A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLEWHO RAN INTO THAT CEILING BEFORE

YOU GOT THERE AND TRIED TO MAKEIT HAPPEN.

TO SUGGEST IT WAS ME RUNNING ALLBY MYSELF AND SLAMMING INTO A

CEILING AND CRASHING IT OPEN ISKIND OF CRAZY.

>> Larry: IT'S KIND OF LIKETHE CEILING HAD GONE SOME

CRACKING IN IT.

>> EXACTLY.

>> Larry: AND YOUR HEAD WENT POPWHICH IS NICE.

ALSO, THERE'S ANOTHER IDEA--NOW, I'VE HEARD THIS ALL GROWING

UP, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVEPOPPA POPE SAY ON "SCANDAL"

WHERE BLACK PEOPLE HAVE TO WORKTWICE AS HARD TO ACHIEVE TWICE

AS MUCH.

>> PAPA POPE SAID THAT TO OLIVIAPOPE.

>> Larry: I HAVE TO DRINKTWICE AS MUCH TO GET HALF THE

BUZZ.

WHY IS THAT SAYING SO IMPORTANTTO YOU?

AND DOES IT STILL HOLD TRUE?

>> I THINK IT DOES STILL HOLDTRUE.

IT'S INTERESTING.

PEOPLE KEEP ASKING ME WHO SAIDTHAT TO ME?

WHERE DID IT COME FROM-->> Larry: I'M IN SHONDALAND.

>> I UNDERSTAND, I UNDERSTAND.

I GREW UP SO ALWAYS KNOWING THATPHRASE THAT IT'S NEVER EVEN

OCCURRED TO ME TO WONDER WHEREIT CAME FROM OR WHO SAID IT.

IT'S JUST BEEN THERE.

WHEN I WROTE IT INTO THE SHOWAND HAD SO MANY PEOPLE COMMENT

AND ASK ME WHERE IT CAME, FROM ITHOUGHT DIDN'T EVERYBODY GROW UP

WITH THIS PHRASE?

IT WAS SUCH A PART OF THE SOCIALFABRIC WHEN I WAS GROWING UP I

DIDN'T THINK TO ASK WHERE ITCAME FROM OR WHY IT WAS SAID.

IT'S JUST BEEN THERE, THE SAMEWAY, YOU KNOW, I'M BLACK HAS

BEEN THERE.

IT'S NEVER BEEN A THING ITHOUGHT ABOUT, LIKE WHY WOULD

THAT BE.

>> Larry: IT'S NOT LIKE YOULOOKED IN THE MIRROR AND SAID,

"OH, ( BLEEP ).

I'M BLACK.

GUESS I BETTER WORK TWICE ASHARD."

I DON'T KNOW.

( LAUGHTER )YOU NEVER KNOW.

IT COULD HAVE HAPPENED THAT WAY,BY THE WAY.

>> IT COULD HAVE.

>> SUPPOSE.

BUT, YEAH, IT'S JUST BEEN PARTOF MY LIFE SO IT'S NEVER

OCCURRED TO ME

>> IT'S FUNNY ON "GREY'S "GREY'SANATOMY'S" SANDRA OH'S CHARACTER

WAS KIND OF YOUR MOUTH PIECE FORTHE THINGS YOU MIGHT WANT TO SAY

OR THE CHARACTER EXPRESSES, THATKIND OF YOUR ID, SO TO SPEAK.

NOW THAT SHE'S GONE, WHO IS YOURNEW MOUTHPIECE, THE ONE GETTING

AWAY WITH MURDER?

>> NO, LUCKILY.

RIGHT NOW, IT'S INTERESTING, IFEEL LIKE IT CHANGES, DEPENDING

ON WHERE I AM.

YOU KNOW, IN MY EVOLUTION.

FOR A LONG TIME IT WAS BAILEY.

BAILEY SAID A LOT OF WHAT IWANTED TO SAY.

AND THEN AS I CHANGED IT WASREALLY CHRISTINA YANG WHO SAID A

LOT OF WHAT I WANTED TO SAY.

>> Larry: SHE'S ONE OF YOURFAVORITES, RIGHT?

>> YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

SHE DEFINITELY-- WHEN I WASDEFINITELY TOO FEARFUL TO SPEAK

UP FOR MYSELF OR BE MY OWN ALLYOR ADVOCATE, SHE DEFINITELY SAID

IT.

NOW I SPEAK UP FOR MYSELF BUT SODOES OLIVIA POPE.

THE TWO OF US SAY A LOT OF STUFFTOGETHER

>> YEAH.

THERE'S A LOT THAT SHE SAYSWHICH IS IS GREAT

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE FOLLOWINGTHIS ELECTION TOO CLOSELY BUT IS

THERE ROOM FOR, LIKE, "GREY'SANATOMY," FOR A SURGEON WHO,

LIKE, SEPARATES TWINS?

I'M JUST ASKING FOR A FRIEND OFMINE WITH A VIOLENT PAST.

( LAUGHTER )YOU NEVER KNOW.

THAT WOULD BE AN AWESOMECHARACTER.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

>> Larry: THAT WOULD BE ANAWESOME CHARACTER.

( APPLAUSE )TAKEN FROM REAL LIFE.

LET ME ASK YOU THIS-- WHATADVICE DO YOU HAVE FOR PEOPLE

WHO WANT TO BE YOU?

WE HAD A YOUNG LADY ASK MEEARLIER ADVICE ABOUT SHOW BIZ?

WHAT WOULD YOU SAY, TELL HERYES, SHE SHOULD BE LIKE YOU OR

NO?

>> YOU DON'T WANT TO BE ME.

>> Larry: SO YOU WOULD SAY NO.

>> YOU DON'T WANT TO BE ME.

YOU WANT TO BE YOU.

AND YOU SHOULD BE BETTER THANME.

FIGURE THAT OUT.

BE BETTER THAN ME.

>> Larry: AND HOW SHOULD SHEDO THAT?

I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU'D BE BETTERTHAN THIS.

>> COME ON!

YOU'VE GOT TO BE.

>> Larry: STOP IT!

HOW CAN SHE DO THAT?

YOU OWN A NIGHT OF TELEVISION,SHONDA.

>> THEN YOUR GOAL SHOULD BE TOOWN TWO NIGHTS.

>> Larry: SHONDA, THIS ISWHERE YOU HAVE TO KEEP YOUR

ANSWER 100% REAL.

KEEP IT 100.

SHONDA, ARE YOU READY, KEEP IT100.

SHONDA, HAVE YOU EVER KILLED OFFA CHARACTER BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T

LIKE THE ACTOR?

( LAUGHTER )AND, EXTRA BONUS POINTS-- WHO

WAS IT?

( LAUGHTER )( APPLAUSE )

KEEP IT 100.

KEEP IT 100.

DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT LYING.

THIS IS YOUR YEAR OF YES,SHONDA!

>> YES.

>> Larry: YES!

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )>> AND I'M NOT NAMING NAMES.

>> Larry: NO!

>> Audience: BOO!

>> Larry: KEEP IT 100.

GUESS WHAT?

YOU'RE STILL GOING TO GET THIS.

THAT'S ALL RIGHT.

SHONDA RHIMES, EVERYBODY!

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )