October 1, 2014 - Mike Mullen

  • 10/01/2014

Author Louisa Lim discusses civil unrest in Hong Kong, Stephen offends Bill O'Reilly, and retired Navy Admiral Mike Mullen discusses ISIS and the Middle East.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )>> WELCOME TO THE REPORT,

EVERYBODY.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.(AUDIENCE CHANTING "STEPHEN!")

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

GOOD TO HAVE YOU WITH US.

FOLKS( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEINGHERE.

GOOD TO HAVE YOU WITH US.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ).

FOLKS, IT IS ALWAYS-- THANK YOUFOR THAT GREETING.

YOU KNOW I NEED IT.

I NEED YOUR ENERGY.

THE HEROES-- THE HEROS AREALWAYS UP FOR MAKING THE WORLD A

BETTER PLACE.

THANK YOU-- THANK YOU FOR BEINGHERE WITH US.

THAT IS, IF YOU ARE STILL WITHUS.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )I ASSUME EVERYONE WEST OF THE

MISSISSIPPI HAS BEEN QUARANTINEDIN THE EBOLA AFTERSCAPE.

WE WILL HAVE FULL COVERAGE OFTHAT CRISIS TOMORROW, IF THERE

IS A TOMORROW.

IN THE MEANTIME, NO ONE TOUCHME.

( LAUGHTER )BUT FIRST, NATION, AS A NEWSMAN,

I ALWAYS KEEP TABS ON THEHEADLINES OUT OF CHINA.

I CAN'T READ THEM, BUT I GET THEGIST-- LOOKS LIKE AN IKEA

DRESSER WENT OFF A SKI JUMP.

IT'S PROBABLY THE SPORTSSECTION.

I DON'T KNOW.

AND THE LATEST NEWS OUT OF HONGKONG HAS ME WORRIED ABOUT ITS

RESIDENTS' SAFETY...

IN BED...

( LAUGHTER )( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )

AND EVERYWHERE ELSE.

>> MASSIVE PROTESTS FILLING THESTREETS OF

HONG KONG.

>> TENS OF THOUSANDS OF THESEDEMONSTRATORS HAVE PACKED INTO

THE HIGHWAYS AND STREETS, MOSTLYIN THE CITY'S CENTRAL FINANCIAL

DISTRICT.

>> THEY CLASHED WITH POLICEWHO REPORTEDLY POINTED LONG-

BARRELED GUNS AND USED TEAR GASFOR THE FIRST TIME IN YEARS.

>> STEPHEN: YES, PROTESTORS INHONG KONG ARE BEING ATTACKED

WITH TEAR GAS.

OR AS IT'S KNOWN INCHINA, THE SKY.

( LAUGHTER )THE PROTESTS HERE, IT'S ALL

ABOUT DEMOCRACY

YOU SEE, AFTER CHINA TOOKCONTROL OF HONG KONG FROM

GREAT BRITAIN IN THE LATE 90S,THEY PROMISED "FREE ELECTIONS

FOR HONG KONG'S CHIEF EXECUTIVEIN 2017.

BUT NOW BEIJING SAYS "CANDIDATESMUST BE HAND PICKED BY A

COMMITTEE OF PRO-GOVERNMENTTYCOONS."

THAT IS NOT RIGHT.

AMERICANS KNOW CANDIDATES MUSTBE PICKED BY ANTIGOVERNMENT

TYCOONS.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE,

GENTLEMEN.

SO THOUSANDS OF HONG KONGOLESEHAVE TAKEN TO THE STREETS IN A

COLLECTIVE ACTION THE "NEW YORKTIMES" CALLS, "A CHALLENGE TO

XI JINPING'S RULE," THEASSOCIATED PRESS DESCRIBES AS

"AN UNPRECEDENTED SHOW OF CIVILDISOBEDIENCE," AND THE OFFICIAL

STATE PAPER "CHINA DAILY"DOWNPLAYED IN FAVOR OF THE

BIGGER NEWS THAT 10,000 PIGEONSWERE GIVEN ANAL SECURITY CHECKS

LEADING UP TO CELEBRATIONS FORCHINA'S NATIONAL DAY.

THAT'S RIGHT, 10,000 CHINESEPIGEONS WERE ANALLY PROBED.

( LAUGHTER )NOW, FOLKS, I-- I AM NO--

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )I AM NOT EXPERT ON THE CHINESE

ZODIAC, BUT I KNOW WHOSEYEAR IT'S NOT.

( LAUGHTER )WELL, NATION, I STAND WITH THE

PEOPLE OF HONG KONG!

THEY'RE GOING TO NEED ALL THESUPPORT THEY CAN GET, TOO,

BECAUSE I'M SURE YOU REMEMBER

WHAT HAPPENED LAST TIME THECHINESE PEOPLE STOOD UP TO

OPPRESSION.

AND IF YOU DO NOT REMEMBER, HEADOVER TO THE BODIES EXHIBIT.

BUT I HOPE THE CHINESEGOVERNMENT IS LISTENING BECAUSE,

GENTLEMEN, THE WORLDIS WATCHING, AND YOU HAVE A

CHOICE HERE: YOU CAN CRUSHTHESE PROTESTORS UNDER YOUR

HEEL, OR YOU CAN DO THE RIGHTTHING AND GRANT THEM THE RIGHTS

THEY WERE PROMISED.

THINK CAREFULLY, BECAUSEWHICHEVER YOU CHOOSE, AMERICA

WILL STILL DO BUSINESS WITH YOU.

( LAUGHTER )I MEAN, HELL, WE'LL DO

"TRANSFORMERS 5" JUST FOR YOU.

THERE'S NOT EVEN ANY DIALOGUE INTHIS ONE!

AND BUMBLEBEE HAS SOME HARSHWORDS FOR JAPAN'S FALSE CLAIMS

TO THE SENKAKU ISLANDS.

SO DO ANYTHING YOU WANT, AS LONGAS

YOUR FACTORIES KEEP PUMPING OUTTHESE LITTLE BABIES OUT, OKAY.

HERE WE GO.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )HERE TO TELL ME WHAT THE

LEADERSHIP OF CHINA WANTS TO DOIS THE AUTHOR OF

"THE PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OFAMNESIA."

PLEASE WELCOME, LOUISA LIM.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEINGHERE.

HERE'S THE BOOK, "THE PEOPLE'SREPUBLIC OF AMNESIA."

NOW, LOUISA, WHAT IS HONG KONG?

IS IT PART OF CHINA?

>> YES, IT IS PART OF CHINA.

AND IT WAS A BRITISH COLONY, BUTIN 1997, IT WAS RETURNED TO

CHINESE RULE UNDER THISARRANGEMENT THAT WAS CALLED ONE

COUNTRY, TWO SYSTEMS.

AND NOW WE'RE SEEING A VERY BIGSTRAIN IN THAT ARRANGEMENT.

>> STEPHEN: WHEN DEMOCRACYCOMES TO ANOTHER COUNTRY, I

USUALLY LIKE US TO BOMB IT INTOTHEM.

BUT WHAT DO YOU THINK IS GOINGTO HAPPEN HERE?

WHAT DO YOU THINK IS GOING TOHAPPEN?

DO YOU THINK THE CHINESE AREGOING TO ROLL THE TANKS IN ON

THE HONG KONG-GEANS?

>> AT THIS POINT IT'S REALLYDIFFICULT TO SAY.

WE'RE SEEING VERY MIXEDMESSAGES.

THE RIOT POLICE WERE WITHDRAWN,BUT THERE WAS AN EDITORIAL IN

THE "PEOPLE'S DAILY" TODAY,WHICH IS THE PARTY MOUTHPIECE,

WHICH SAYS IF PEOPLE DO NOTWITHDRAW FROM THE STREETS, IT

SAID THE ASSEMBLIES WERE WEREILLEGAL AND IF PEOPLE DID NOT

WITHDRAW THE CONSEQUENCES WOULDBE UNIMAGINABLE.

>> STEPHEN: PERHAPS THEY WILLDO TO THE PROTESTERS WHAT THEY

DID TO THE PIGEONS.

>> WHAT EVERYBODY HAS SAID IS AREWIND OF WHAT HAPPENED IN 1989.

I MEAN, WHAT WE'RE SEEING INTERMS OF THE POPULAR MOVEMENT IS

THAT THIS IS ALMOST LIKETIANANMEN 2.0.

>> STEPHEN: IS ANY OF THISINFORMATION GETTING ON TO THE

MAINLAND OF CHINA?>> IT IS BEING VERY, VERY

HEAVILY CENSORED BECAUSE THEY DONOT WANT TO HAVE-- THE CHINESE

GOVERNMENT IS VERY SCARED OFCONTAGION EFFECT.

INSTAGRAM WAS BLOCKED IN CHINA

>> STEPHEN: INSTAGRAM WASBLOCKED.

>> THE PICTURES-- THE IMAGES OFTENS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE

PEACEFULLY PROTESTING ARE SUCHPOTENT IMAGES AND THE CHINESE

ARE WORRIED ABOUT CONTAGIONEFFECT.

>> STEPHEN: I THINK INSTAGRAMALSO HAS A FILTER THAT MAKES

EVERYTHING LOOK LIKE IT WASTAKEN IN TIANANMEN SQUARE IN

1989.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )>> CHINESE TWITTER HAS ALSO BEEN

VERY HEAVILY CENSORED.

ALL KINDS OF WORDS HAVE BEENBANNED, WORDS LIKE "YELLOW

RIBBONS" BECAUSE THE PROTESTERSARE TYING YELLOW RIBBON AS A

SYMBOL OF DEMOCRACY.

AND EVEN WORDS LIKE "INSTAGRAMIS BLOCKED" IS BLOCKED.

>> STEPHEN: THE WORDS"INSTAGRAM WAS BLOCKED" IS

BLOCKED.

ISN'T IT POSSIBLE IT WILLSWALLOW ITSELF?

DO YOU THINK THIS COULD SPREAD

TO OTHER AREAS THAT THE CHINESE

CONTROL, LIKE THE U.S. TREASURY?

( LAUGHTER )( APPLAUSE )

( CHEERS )GET BACK TO ME ON THAT ONE.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

LOUISA LIM, "THE PEOPLE'SREPUBLIC OF AMNESIA."

>> WELCOME BACK.

THANKS SO MUCH.

FOLKS DURING THE COMMERCIALBREAK -- DURING THIS LAST

COMMERCIAL BREAK, I FOUND OUTTHAT I HAVE UPSET SOMEONE VERY

DEAR TO ME.

BILL O'REILLY.

MY MENTOR, MY NORTH STAR, THEEMERGENCY CONTACT ON MY SOUL

CYCLE MEMBERSHIP.

( LAUGHTER )AND IT HURTS ME TO KNOW I HURT

THE MAN I ADMIRE MOST, JUST ASBILL WOULD BE HURT IF HE HURT

THE MAN HE ADMIRES MOST:HIMSELF.

( LAUGHTER )YOU SEE, LAST THURSDAY, I

PRAISED BILL'S PLAN TO WIN THEWAR ON TERROR WITH AN

INTERNATIONAL ARMY OF 25,000PAID MERCENARIES, MAKING IT

ALMOST AS LARGE AS THE CAST OF"THE EXPENDABLES III."

( LAUGHTER )I LOVED PAPA BEAR'S IDEA OF WAR

WITHOUT POLITICAL RED TAPE SOMUCH, THAT I PUT FORTH

MY OWN EQUALLY-THOUGHT-OUT PLANFROM THE FOURTH GRADE.

AN ARMY OF EXPERT DOUBLE NINJASUPER SOLDIERS WITH LASER

NUNCHUCKS.

IT'S A CAN'T-FAIL STRATEGY.

I DID NOT EVEN INCLUDE THEIRALLIES-- THE PIRATE BOATERCYCLE

GANG.

BUT SOMEHOW, SOMEHOW, FOLKS,BILL O'REILLY TOOK

BILL O'FFENSE.

>> PEOPLE LIKE STEPHEN COLBERTMOCKING THE PLAN.

THEY DON'T KNOW ANYTHING.

BUT BY BEING COMPLETELY VACANT,IT DOESN'T STOP THESE PEOPLE

FROM MOCKING IDEAS THAT MIGHTHAVE SOME VALUE, MIGHT

SOLVE SOME COMPLEX PROBLEMS.

MR. COLBERT AND OTHERS OF HISILK HAVE NO BLEEPIN' CLUE HOW TO

FIGHT THE JIHAD.

>> STEPHEN: THAT'S OUTRAGEOUS!

BILL O'REILLY HAS TO DO HIS OWNBLEEPING?

COME ON, RUPERT MURDOCK.

SPRING FOR THE BLEEP MACHINE!

I'VE GOT ONE.

WATCH: BILL O'REILLY IS A(BLEEP) EGOMANIAC.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )NOW, I'M SURE-- I'M SURE--

(AUDIENCE CHANTING "STEPHEN!)

>> I AM POSITIVE-- I AMABSOLUTELY POSITIVE THAT THAT

WAS BLEEPPEDFOR BROADCAST, BECAUSE I DON'T

MEAN IT.

BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, HOW CANBILL SAY ME AND OTHERS OF MY ILK

DON'T HAVE A CLUE HOW TO FIGHTJIHAD?

BILL, BABY DOLL, YOU'RE OF MYILK.

BILL, BABY DOLL, YOU'RE OF MYILK.

WE'RE ILK MATES.

WE'RE MEMBERS OF THE SAME ILKLODGE. WE DIP OUR COOKIES IN THE

SAME GLASS OF ILK

I WASN'T MOCKING YOUR PLAN.

I'M THE ONLY ONE WHO LIKES ITEVERYONE ON YOUR OWN SHOW

THINKS YOU'RE INSANE.

>> THIS IS A TERRIBLE IDEA.

IT'S A TERRIBLE IDEA NOT JUST ASA PRACTICAL MATTER BUT AS A

MORAL MATTER.

>> WITH YOUR IDEA YOU'VE GONEFROM OUT OF THE BOX TO OFF THE

WALL.

>> THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENTREASONS I OPPOSE THIS.

>> WHAT ABOUT ACCOUNTABILITY?

>> THERE IS A HIGHLY TRAINEDSKILLED FORCE THAT CAN GO FORTH

IN MANY OF THESE PLACES.

IT'S ALREADY TRAINED BY OURSPECIAL FORCES.

>> IT COULD TURN INTO AFRANKENSTEIN COURSE YOU CAN'T

CONTROL WITH UNINTENDEDCONSEQUENCES.

>>>> STEPHEN: A FRANKENSTEIN

FORCE?

HAS SHE BEEN READING MYNOTEBOOK.

DO NOT LISTEN TO THOSE GUYS,BILL, PLENTY OF PEOPLE LOVE YOUR

PLAN.

>> LAST WEEK WE ASKED YOU TOVOTE IN A BILL O'REILLY.COM

POLL.

DO YOU BELIEVE A MERCENARY FORCEPAID FOR BY COALITION NATIONS IS

A GOOD IDEA?

70% YES, 30% NO. ABOUT 20,000 OFYOU VOTED

>> SEE, 70% IN A NONSCIENTIFICPOLL.

THAT MEANS BILL'S MOST LOYALFANS, VOTING AS MANY TIMES AS

THEY WANT, GAVE IT ANOVERWHELMING C-MINUS.

AND TONIGHT, LADIES ANDGENTLEMEN, I AM PUTTING UP AN

EVENLESS-SCIENTIFIC POLL ON MY

WEBSITE ASKING THE NATION WHOSEPLAN IS BETTER, MINE OR BILL'S.

AND THE RESULTS ARE IN BEFOREI'VE EVEN ASKED-- IT'S THAT

UNSCIENTIFIC.

AS YOU CAN SEE, THEY BOTH GOT100%.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )MEANWHILE-- MEANWHILE, 96 VOTED

"THIS IS A POLL," IN MY"IS THIS A POLL?" POLL.

TOUGH DEFEAT FORRICE CAKES.

AT THAT POINT, I THOUGHT BILLWAS DONE WITH ME.

TURNED OUT, HE WASN'T BLEEPINGFINISHED.

>> IN THE WORLD OF THEIDEOLOGUE WHERE COLBERT LIVES,

SOLUTIONS DON'T REALLY MATTER.

IT'S HOW YOU FEEL ABOUTTHINGS.

SO IN YOUR LIFE, WHEN YOUCONFRONT A PERSON WHO CRITICIZES

YOU BUT HAS NOTHING CONSTRUCTIVETO SAY, RUN FAST.

>> STEPHEN: EVEN MORE GREATMILITARY ADVICE.

( LAUGHTER )( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )

REMEMBER, REMEMBER, REMEMBER,MERCENARIES WHEN YOU YOU

CONFRONT OPPOSITION, RUN FAST.

I THINK BILL'S THE ONE WHOTRAINED THE IRAQI ARMY.

BUT I'M MAN ENOUGH TO ADMIT THATBILL IS RIGHT.

I AM AN IDEALOGUE, AND THAT'SWHY I'M NOT WORTHY OF HIS

MERCENARY ARMY, BECAUSEMERCENARIES DON'T HAVE IDEOLOGY.

THEY JUST KILL ANYONE YOU PAYTHEM TO.

IN FACT, IF SOMEONE ELSEPAYS THEM MORE, THEY'LL KILL

YOU!

THAT'S JUST THE FREE MARKET.

( APPLAUSE )SO, BILL, PLEASE, I WANT TO SAY

SOMETHING THAT I FEEL.

LET'S NOT FIGHT.

OR IF WE DO FIGHT, BILL, LET'SAT LEAST PAY OTHER PEOPLE TO DO

IT FOR US.

WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )

>> STEPHEN: WELCOME BACK,EVERYBODY.

MY GUEST TONIGHT SPENT 43 YEARSIN THE

NAVY.

THAT'S EVEN LONGER THAN THAT GUYFROM THE VILLAGE PEOPLE.

PLEASE WELCOME ADMIRALMIKE MULLEN.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )ADMIRAL, THANK YOU FOR BEING

HERE.

GOOD TO SEE YOU.

HONOR TO HAVE YOU, SIR.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEINGHERE.

NOW, YOU'RE RETIRED U.S. NAVYADMIRAL.

YOU SERVED AS THE 17THCHAIRMAN OF THE JOINT CHIEFS OF

STAFF.

THAT'S A BIG JOB.

NOW, OBVIOUSLY, I ASSUME YOU'REON BOARD WITH BILL O'REILLY'S

25,000-MAN MERCENARY ARMY.

DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD GO WITH,25,000 PEOPLE FROM AROUND THE

WORLD WHO GET TAUGHT ENGLISH ANDARE PAID VERY WELL, OR THE U.S.

ARMED FORCES?

WHICH WOULD YOU PICK?

AND, PLEASE, DON'T LET YOURYEARS AS THE CHAIRMAN OF THE

JOINT CHIEFS INFLUENCE YOU INTHIS DECISION.

THINK OBJECTIVELY ABOUT THIS FORA SECOND.

MERCENARY ARMY-U.S. ARMEDFORCES.

YOU HAD TO PICK, WHICH WOULD ITBE?

>> IT WOULD BE THIS ONE.

>> STEPHEN: OKAY, ALL RIGHT.

BILL IS NOT GOING TO LIKE THAT.

THE MAN HAS A MERCENARY ARMY.

I WOULDN'T CROSS HIM.

>> I KNOW.

>> STEPHEN: SO WE'RE IN SYRIANOW, AND WE'RE-- WE OFFICIALLY

DON'T HAVE BOOTS ON THE GROUNDBUT WE HAVE ADVISERS ON THE

GROUND?

>> ACTUALLY, NOT IN SYRIA.

WE HAVE ADVISERS ON THE GROUNDIN IRAQ, ABOUT 1600 OF THEM.

>> STEPHEN: HOW MUCH OF ADIFFERENCE IS THERE BETWEEN

WESTERN IRAQ AND SYRIA AT THISPOINT?

THERE A BORDER?

>> I THINK IT'S JUST ACTUALLY INNAME ONLY.

I MEAN, THAT PART OF THE DESERTIS WIDE OPEN, AND AS FAR AS ISIL

RIGHT NOW, THEY CONTROL AN AWFULLOT OF TERRITORY, BOTH IN IRAQ

AND SYRIA.

THEY'VE CALLED IT THE BEGINNINGOF THE CALIPHATE, IF YOU WILL,

AND THEIR STATE THAT THEY'VEESTABLISHED, WHICH I DON'T THINK

HAS ANY SUBSTANTIAL UNDERPINNINGIN TERMS OF REALITY

INTERNATIONAL OR ANYTHING LIKE,THAT BUT IT'S WHAT THEY CLAIM.

>> STEPHEN: THEY USED TO BETHE ISLAMIC STATE IN IRAQ AND

SYRIA.

NOW THEY'RE JUST THE ISLAMICSTATE?

>> RIGHT.

>> STEPHEN: THEY'RE LIKECHER.

THEY'RE PROBABLY NOT FANS OFCHER.

( LAUGHTER )HOW LONG ARE WE GOING TO BE

DOING THIS?

>> WELL, MY-- MY VIEW OF THAT ISIN 2011 WHEN EGYPT STARTED TO

UNFOLD AND THE REVOLUTION THERE,I SAID THEN AND I STILL THINK IN

THAT PART OF THE WORLD, WE'RE INA 30- TO 40-YEAR RUN HERE.

>> STEPHEN: 30 TO 40 YEARS?

>> CORRECT.

>> STEPHEN: SO LIKE THE COLDWAR.

>> IN TERMS OF THE REVOLUTIONAND THE CHANGE AND THE

UNCERTAINTY AND THE INSTABILITY.

AND I THINK IT'S JUST CASCADEDFROM ONE COUNTRY TO ANOTHER.

>> STEPHEN: DO YOU THINKAMERICA'S REPUTATION IN THE

WORLD BECAUSE OF THE MILITARYENGAGEMENT WE'VE HAD OVER THE

LAST 13 YEARS IS DAMAGED?

>> I DO.

I DO.

I THINK IN FACT-- I DON'T KNOWHOW MANY PEOPLE I COULD ASK THAT

WOULD GET THE CORRECT ANSWER TOTHIS QUESTION WHICH IS HAVING

BOMBED SYRIA, HOW MANY MUSLIMCOUNTRIES HAVE WE BOMBED?

THIS IS OUR SEVENTH.

>> STEPHEN: YEAH, YEAH, ONEMORE AND WE GET A FREE FALAFAL.

HERE'S ONE THING.

LET'S TALK ABOUT MILITARY--LET'S TALK.

A REAL SUCCESSFUL MILITARYMISSION THAT EVERYBODY SHOULD

FEEL GREAT ABOUT, AND THAT'SWHEN WE WENT AND GOT BIN LADEN.

YOU WERE IN THE ROOM WHEN THATTHING WAS GOING DOWN.

AND YOU HAD TO BE THE ONE TOCALL THE HEAD OF THE PAKISTANI

MILITARY.

>> CORRECT.

>> STEPHEN: TO SAY THAT WEGOT HIM.

>> RIGHT.

>> STEPHEN: HOW WAS THAT?

( LAUGHTER )DID YOU SAY, "HI, IT'S MIKE.

WE FOUND BIN LADEN.

GUESS WHERE?"( LAUGHTER )

( APPLAUSE ) ( CHEERS )

WAS HE CHAGRINED?

>> NO.

>> STEPHEN: WERE THEYCHAGRINED AT ALL?

>> HE WAS-- HE WAS ACTUALLYSURPRISED.

I MEAN, LITERALLY.

NOW, THIS IS IN THE HUMANDIMENSION.

I KNOW THIS DOESN'T MAKE A LOTOF SENSE, BUT I KNEW HIM PRETTY

WELL, AND HIS REACTION WASSURPRISE, ONE, THAT WE'D FOUND

HIM, AND, TWO, THAT HE WAS WHEREWE FOUND HIM, WHICH WAS ABOUT A

MILE FROM THEIR-- THEIR VERSIONOF WEST POINT.

AND HE HAD THE WORST WEEK OF HISLIFE --

>> STEPHEN: NOT AS BAD AS BINLADEN'S.

>> NO, I KNOW.

>> STEPHEN: DO YOU EVER GETTIRED OF THE MIDDLE EAST?

DO YOU EVER WANT TO JUST THROWUP YOUR HANDS AND GO BACK TO BED

>> NO.

>> STEPHEN: NO?

>> WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE ISSORT OF AN OVER-ARCHING STRATEGY

AND PLAN FOR THE MIDDLE EASTCOUNTRY BY COUNTRY, AND THEN

EVEN IN THE REGIONAL SENSE PERSE.

AND I THINK HAVING THAT ANDHAVING A VIEW OF THAT WOULD THEN

ALLOW EVERYBODY TO FIGURE OUTHOW THEY COULD CONTRIBUTE IF

IT'S ANOTHER COUNTRY, OR WECOULD CONTRIBUTE, EVEN INSIDE

OUR OWN COUNTRY.

>> STEPHEN: CAN I TELL YOUWHY I THINK THE AMERICAN PEOPLE

MIGHT BE TIRED OF IT?

AND WANT TO GO BACK TO BED?

AND I'M SPEAKING FOR MYSELF,AND, THEREFORE, THE AMERICAN

PEOPLE.

IS BECAUSE--( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )

WE'RE-- WE'RE ASKED TO BE AFRAIDOF IT.

YOU GET TO THINK ABOUT IT ALLTHE TIME OR YOU DID GET TO THINK

ABOUT IT ALL THE TIME AND SAY TOYOURSELF, YOU KNOW WHAT?

THAT LITTLE CORNER OF THE DESERTLOOKS LIKE IT COULD BLOW UP REAL

GOOD, LET'S GO OVER THERE.

WHEREAS, WE'RE ASKED TO BEAFRAID OF IT, AND WE'RE REMINDED

TO BE AFRAID OF IT, BUT WE NOLONGER HAVE MUCH OF A VOICE IN

IT BECAUSE OUR CONGRESSIONALREPRESENTATIVES WON'T VOTE OR

WHETHER WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DOANYTHING ABOUT IT.

WE'RE NOT ASKED TO SACRIFICETHAT MUCH FOR IT.

VERY FEW OF US GO FIGHT.

AND WE'RE ALSO NOT TOLD ALL THATMUCH ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING OVER

THERE.

SO ALL WE HAVE IS THE FEAR, ANDNONE OF THE ACTION.

>> RIGHT.

>> STEPHEN: AND SO WEEVENTUALLY WANT TO STOP THINKING

ABOUT IT.

AND THAT'S WHY THAT 25,000-MANMERCENARY ARMY STARTS TO SOUND

GOOD.

( LAUGHTER )SO WE ALSO--

( APPLAUSE )WE ALSO WANT TO STOP CARING

ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS TO OUR MENAND WOMEN WHO GO OVER THERE

BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT THEM TOSACRIFICE FOR SOMETHING THAT WE

DON'T THINK IS RIGHT.

AND YET WE DON'T HAVE MUCH VOICEIN IT ANYMORE.

( APPLAUSE ) ( CHEERS )

>> SO YOU BRING UP A CONCERNTHAT I HAVE WITH RESPECT TO A

GROWING DISCONNECT BETWEEN THEMEN AND WOMEN WHO SERVE IN THIS

ALL-VOLUNTEER FORCE, WHO ARE THEBEST I'VE EVER SEEN.

THEY'RE LESS THAN 1% OF THEPOPULATION.

THEY COME FROM FEWER AND FEWERPLACES IN AMERICA.

AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WHODIDN'T HAVE TO BUY INTO THESE

WARS, AS YOU SAID-- AND I AGREEWITH THAT-- AND CERTAINLY THE

VAST, VAST MAJORITY DIDN'T HAVETO FIGHT IN THEM, DON'T KNOW WHO

WE ARE AS A MILITARY.

AND IN FACT-- AND I'VE SAID THISMANY TIMES, WHAT I ACTUALLY DO

WORRY ABOUT IS THAT WE BECOMESOME VERSION OF SOMETHING LIKE

THE FRENCH FOREIGN LEGION, WHICHIS PLEASE GO OFF AND FIGHT OUR

DIRTY LITTLE WARS AND LET US GETON WITH OUR LIVES.

AND I THINK THAT'S A DISASTERFOR AMERICA.

WE NEED TO BE CONNECTED TO THEAMERICAN PEOPLE AND WE NEED TO

DO THAT THROUGH THE SYSTEMTHAT'S HERE, THOSE THAT ARE

ELECTED, AND I CERTAINLY AGREETHAT THOSE WHO ARE ELECTED OUGHT

TO VOTE ON WHAT WE DO.

AND WE OUGHT TO--( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )

AND IF I CAN MAKE-- AND WE OUGHTTO HAVE A FULSOME, RAGING DEBATE

ABOUT THAT IN THIS COUNTRY.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ).

>> STEPHEN: ADMIRAL, THANKYOU SO MUCH.

ADMIRAL MIKE MULLEN.

WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.

THANK YOU.( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )

>> STEPHEN: THAT'S IT FOR THEREPORT, EVERYBODY.

GOOD NIGHT.

>> MY GUEST TONIGHT SPENT 43YEARS IN THE NAVY.

THAT'S EVEN LONGER THAN THAT GUYFROM THE VILLAGE PEOPLE.

PLEASE WELCOME ADMIRAL MIKEMULLEN.

THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

GOOD TO SEE YOU.

HONOR TO HAVE YOU SIR.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEINGHERE.

YOU'RE RETIRED A U.S. NAVYADMIRAL.

YOU SERVED AS THE 17THCHAIRMAN OF THE JOINT CHIEFS OF

STAFF.

THAT'S A BIG JOB.

AS CHAIRMAN.

YOU WERE THE HIGHEST RANKINGOFFICER IN THE U.S. ARMED

FORCES.

IN 2011 YOU RETIRED AFTER 43YEARS OF SERVICE.

SIR, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERETONIGHT.

THE WORLD'S ON FIRE.

ALL RIGHT.

>> CORRECT.

>> STEPHEN: WORLD'S ON FIRE.

WE'VE GOT A LOT OF HOT SPOTSOUT INTEREST.

WHAT ARE THE PLACE WHERE'S THEFIRE'S CATCHING FIRE OUT THERE?

>> I THINK SYRIA IS PROBABLY THECENTER OF GRAVITY RIGHT NOW.

>> STEPHEN: YOU'VE GOT SYRIA.

YOU'VE GOT IRAQ.

ALSO AFGHANISTAN.

STILL GOT SOME TROUBLE.

PAKISTAN IS VERY TROUBLING TOUS.

YOU HAVE SOMALIA, YOU HAVEYEMEN.

HAS THE WORLD EVER BEEN MOREDANGEROUS THAN THIS?

>> CERTAINLY NOT IN MY LIFETIMETHAT I'M AWARE OF.

>> STEPHEN: THAT INCLUDES THESOVIET UNION.

>> THAT'S TRUE, THAT'S TRUE.

ALTHOUGH, I THINK THE BIGDIFFERENCE IS IN THOSE DAYS

ACTUALLY THE SINGLE EXISTENTIALTHREAT THAT EXISTED WAS THE

SOVIET UNION.

AND THERE ISN'T AN EXISTENTIALTHREAT OUT THERE RIGHT NOW IN

ANY OF THESE COUNTRIES WITH THELEVEL OF TERRORISM, BUT IT IS

SOMETHING THAT CONTINUES TOGROW, AND IT CONTINUES TO BURN

OUT OF CONTROL, IF YOU WILL, INWAYS THAT ARE VERY

UNPREDICTABLE.

SO PARTICULARLY IN THE MIDDLEEAST.

IT IS A HUGE, HUGE CONCERN.

>> STEPHEN: NOW, OBVIOUSLY, IASSUME YOU'RE ON BOARD WITH BILL

O'REILLY'S 25,000-MAN MERCENARYARMY.

( LAUGHTER )DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD GO WITH

THAT, 25,000 PEOPLE FROM AROUNDTHE WORLD WHO GET TAUGHT ENGLISH

AND ARE PAID VERY WELL, OR THEU.S. ARMED FORCES?

WHICH WOULD YOU PICK?

( LAUGHTER )AND PLEASE DON'T LET YOUR YEARS

AS THE CHAIRMAN OF THE JOINTCHIEFS INFLUENCE YOU IN THIS

DECISION.

( LAUGHTER )THINK OBJECTIVELY ABOUT THIS FOR

A SECOND MERCENARY ARMY-U.S.

ARMED FORCES.

YOU HAD TO PICK, WHICH WOULD ITBE?

>> IT WOULD BE IS THIS ONE.

>> STEPHEN: ALL RIGHT.

>> U.S. ARMED FORCES.

>> STEPHEN: I ASSUME YOU WERERANKED JUST BELOW BILL O'REILLY

IN OUR MILITARY.

>> THAT'S TRUE.

>> STEPHEN: ALL RIGHT, ALLRIGHT.

WELL, BILL'S NOT GOING TO LIKETHAT, AND THE MAN HAS A

MERCENARY ARMY.

I WOULDN'T CROSS HIM.

>> I KNOW, I KNOW( LAUGHTER ).

>> STEPHEN: SO WE'RE IN SYRIANOW.

AND WE'RE-- WE OFFICIALLY DON'THAVE BOOTS ON THE GROUND, BUT WE

HAVE ADVISERS ON THE GROUND?

>> ACTUALLY, NOT IN SYRIA.

WE HAVE ADVISERS ON THE GROUNDIN IRAQ, ABOUT 1600 OF THEM.

>> STEPHEN: HOW MUCH OF ADIFFERENCE IS THERE BETWEEN

WESTERN IRAQ AND SYRIA AT THISPOINT?

IS THERE A BORDER?

>> I THINK IT'S JUST ACTUALLY INNAME ONLY.

I MEAN, THAT PART OF THE DESERTIS WIDE OPEN, AND AS FAR AS ISIL

RIGHT NOW, THEY CONTROL AN AWFULLOT OF TERRITORY, BOTH IN IRAQ

AND SYRIA.

THEY CALL IT THE BEGINNING OFTHE CALIPHATE, IF YOU WILL.

AND THEIR STATE THAT THEY'VEESTABLISHED -- WHICH I DON'T

THINK HAS ANY SUBSTANTIALUNDERPINNING IN TERMS OF REALITY

IN INTERNATIONAL OR ANYTHINGLIKE, THAT BUT IT'S WHAT THEY

CLAIM.

>> STEPHEN: THEY USED TO BETHE ISLAMIC STATE IN IRAQ AND

SYRIA.

NOW THEY'RE JUST THE ISLAMICSTATE.

>> CORRECT.

>> STEPHEN: THEY'RE LIKE CHER.

THEY JUST DROPPED THE END.

( LAUGHTER )THEY'RE PROBABLY NOT FANS OF

CHER.

HOW LONG ARE WE GOING TO BEDOING THIS?

IT LOOKED LIKE WE MIGHT HAVEBEEN GETTING OUT OF THAT PART OF

THE WORLD FOR A WHILE.

IN 2011, RIGHT AROUND THE TIMETHAT YOU LEFT AS CHAIRMAN OF THE

JOINT CHIEFS, WE OFFICIALLY HADENDED ALL MILITARY OCCUPATION IN

IRAQ.

NOW WE'RE BACK IN.

WAS US LEAVING A HICCUP OR ISTHIS THE HICCUP?

WHICH IS THE NORMAL STATE FORUS?

>> WELL, MY-- MY VIEW OF THAT ISIN 2011 WHEN EGYPT STARTED TO

UNFOLD AND THE REVOLUTION THERE,I SAID THEN AND I STILL THINK IN

THAT PART OF THE WORLD, WE'RE INA 30- TO 40-YEAR RUN.

>> STEPHEN: 30 TO 40 YEARS.

>>>> --CORRECT.

>> STEPHEN: SO LIKE THE COLDWAR.

>> IN TERMS OF THE REVOLUTIONAND THE CHANGE AND THE

UNCERTAINTY AND THE INSTABILITY.

AND I THINK IT'S JUST CASCADEDFROM ONE COUNTRY TO ANOTHER.

>> STEPHEN: 30 TO 40 YEARS OFINSTABILITY THERE OR 30 TO 40

YEARS OF US OVER THERE?

>> I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TOTHAT.

I THINK WE ARE -->> STEPHEN: IF YOU COULD JUST

GUESS.

>> I COULD GUESS.

MY-- MY INSTINCTS ARE WE'REGOING TO BE-- WE NEED TO BE

ENGAGED IN THAT PART OF THEWORLD FOR AS LONG AS IT TAKES TO

ENSURE THAT IT CAN BE STABLE ANDNOT CONTINUE TO GROW IN A WAY

THAT THREATENS AN AWFUL LOT OFPEOPLE, INCLUDING AMERICAN

CITIZENS.

>> STEPHEN: NOW THE OBAMAADMINISTRATION IS USING RIGHT

NOW OUR TROOPS NOT JUST FORMILITARY MISSIONS BUT FOR

HUMANITARIAN MISSIONS IN AFRICAFIGHTING EBOLA.

>> RIGHT.

>> RIGHT.

>> STEPHEN: WE DON'T HAVEBOOTS ON THE GROUND.

WE HAVE MEDICAL BOOTIES ON THEGROUND, RIGHT?

>> RIGHT.

>> STEPHEN: DO YOU THINKTHAT'S HOW WE SHOULD BE USING

OUR TROOPS?

SHOULD THEYING PASSING OUT SWABSAND SYRINGES IN AFRICA?

>> I BELIEVE STRONGLY THOSEKINDS OF MISSIONS OFTEN TIME

HAVE A BIGGER IMPACT ON WHO THEUNITED STATES IS AND WHAT WE

STAND FOR THAN THE MILITARYMISSIONS.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ).

I'VE SEEN IT-- I'VE-- I'VE SEENTHIS IN INDONESIA, AFTER THE

EARTHQUAKE IN '04.

CERTAINLY THE RESPONSE WE HAD ATTHE TERRIBLE TRAGEDY OF THE

EARTHQUAKE OFF HAITI WHERE WEPROVIDED TROOPS, AND WE CAN

ORGANIZE.

WE CAN COMMUNICATE.

WE DO-- WE LOGISTICALLY CAN MOVEAN AWFUL LOT OF STUFF VERY

QUICKLY.

SO WE'RE MORE THAN CAPABLE OFHANDLING A MISSION LIKE THAT

UNTIL THE REST OF THE WORLD ANDOTHER CAPABILITIES CAN BE

BROUGHT IN.

BUT RIGHT NOW, MOVING AS FAST ASWE HAVE, I THINK THAT EBOLA

MISSION IS A-- IS A VERYIMPORTANT MISSION FOR US.

>> STEPHEN: THE PRESIDENT DIDSAY ONE THING THE OTHER DAY THAT

I LIKED.

HE SAID THAT WHEN SOMETHING GOESWRONG IN THE WORLD, WHEN THERE'S

A MUDSLIDE IN GUATEMALANOBODYSAYS, "GET ME THE RUSSIANS."

THEY CALL US AND WE GO IN THEREAND HELP CLEAN THINGS UP.

DO YOU THINK AMERICA'SREPUTATION IN THE WORLD, BECAUSE

OF THE MILITARY ENGAGEMENT WE'VEHAD OVER THE LAST 13 YEARS IS

DAMAGED?

>> I DO.

I DO.

I THINK IN FACT-- I DON'T KNOWHOW MANY PEOPLE I COULD ASK THAT

WOULD GET THE CORRECT ANSWER TOTHIS QUESTION WHICH IS HAVING

BOMBED SYRIA, HOW MANY MUSLIMCOUNTRIES HAVE WE BOMBED?

AND THIS IS OUR SEVENTH.

>> STEPHEN: YEAH, YEAH, ONEMORE AND WE GET A FREE FALAFAL.

( LAUGHTER )( APPLAUSE )

>> AND IT'S TOUGH TO MAKEFRIENDS WHEN YOU'RE DOING THAT.

>> STEPHEN: YEAH, THE BOMBSTEND TO BE A CONVERSATION

STOPPER.

>> IT DOES.

( LAUGHTER )THAT SAID, I THINK YOU'VE GOT TO

TAKE ACTION TO ADDRESSPARTICULARLY THIS THREAT THAT'S

NOW RISING IN SYRIA AND IRAQ.

>> STEPHEN: AGAIN, MERCENARYARMY.

( LAUGHTER )THE BEST OF THE BEST.

THE BEST OF THE BEST.

>> I DON'T THINK SO.

>> STEPHEN: YOU WOULD NOTBELIEVE THE NUMBER OF MILITARY

PEOPLE WHO ARE CALLING BILL ANDSAYING IT'S A GREAT IDEA.

>> REALLY?

>> STEPHEN: WOULD YOU BELIEVEIT?

>> NO.

>> STEPHEN: NEITHER WOULD I.

ALL RIGHT.

( APPLAUSE )HERE'S ONE THING.

LET'S TALK ABOUT MILITARY--LET'S TALK ABOUT A REAL

SUCCESSFUL MILITARY MISSION THATEVERYBODY SHOULD FEEL GREAT

ABOUT AND THAT'S WHEN WE WENTAND GOT BIN LADEN.

YOU WERE IN THE ROOM WHEN THATTHING WAS GOING DOWN.

AND YOU HAD TO BE THE ONE TOCALL THE HEAD OF THE PAKISTANI

MILITARY.

>> CORRECT.

>> STEPHEN: TO SAY THAT WE GOTHIM.

>> RIGHT.

>> STEPHEN: HOW WAS THAT?

( LAUGHTER )DID YOU HAVE TO FIGHT FOR THE

PHONE?

OR WAS IT-- YOU KNOW, "I'LL DOIT!

I'LL DO IT!

LET ME!">> ACTUALLY, THERE WAS A DEBATE

FOR A WHILE INTERNALLY -->> STEPHEN: BIDEN WANTED TO

DO IT.

BIDEN WANTED TO DO IT.

>> AND THEN IT FELL TO ME.

>> STEPHEN: OKAY.

>> IT PRINCIPALLY DID BECAUSEI'D HAD A LONG-STANDING

RELATIONSHIP WITH GENERAL KEANY,THE HEAD OF THEIR ARMY --

>> STEPHEN: WHAT TIME IS ITOVER THERE WHEN YOU CALLED HIM?

>> TWO IN THE MORNING, THREE INTHE MORNING.

>> STEPHEN: LET'S ROLE PLAY.

HELLO, MIKE.

DO YOU KNOW WHAT TIME IT ISHERE, MAN?

WHAT'S UP, ARE YOU OKAY?

>> NO, ACTUALLY, HE KNEW WHATTIME IT WAS, AND HE KNEW WHY I

WAS CALLING.

>> STEPHEN: OH, REALLY?

>> WELL, HE KNEW, CLEARLY, THATSOMETHING HAD HAPPENED.

>> STEPHEN: DID YOU SAY, "HI,IT'S MIKE.

WE FOUND BIN LADEN.

GUESS WHERE?"( LAUGHTER )

( APPLAUSE )WAS HE CHAGRINED?

>> NO.

>> STEPHEN: WERE THEYCHAGRINED AT ALL?

>> HE WAS-- HE WAS ACTUALLYSURPRISED.

I MEAN, LITERALLY.

NOW, THIS IS IN THE HUMANDIMENSION.

THIS DOESN'T MAKE A LOT OFSENSE, BUT I KNEW HIM PRETTY

WELL, AND HIS REACTION WASSURPRISE, ONE, THAT WE'D FOUND

HIM.

AND, TWO, THAT HE WAS WHERE WEFOUND HIM, WHICH WAS ABOUT A

MILE FROM THEIR-- THEIR VERSIONOF WEST POINT, WHICH IS A PRETTY

HIGH-END AREA, HIGH-ENDNEIGHBORHOOD.

AND ACTUALLY, IT WAS A DIFFICULTCONVERSATION BUT IT WAS A

FOLLOW-UP TO A CONVERSATION I'DHAD A COUPLE OF YEARS BEFORE

THAT WHICH WAS I DON'T KNOW APRESIDENT IN THE UNITED STATES

WHOEVER IT WOULD BE THAT IF THEYDIDN'T-- IF WE KNEW, NUMBER ONE,

BIN LADEN, NUMBER 2, AL-ZAWAHIRIWAS IN PAKISTAN WE WOULDN'T COME

IN AND GET THEM.

IN THAT REGARD, HE WASN'TSURPRISED.

WHAT HAPPENED REALLY WAS THEWEEK AFTER THAT, BECAUSE THEY

FELT HIS MILITARY, WHO HAS A LOTOF PRIDE, THEY FELT EMBARRASSED

BY WHAT HAD HAPPENED, BY WHATTHEY COULDN'T DO, HOW THEY

COULDN'T RESPOND, AND HE HAD THEWORST WEEK OF HIS LIFE --

>> STEPHEN: NOT AS BAD AS BINLADEN'S.

>> NO, I KNOW.

( APPLAUSE ).

>> STEPHEN: YOU'RE IN THE-- THERE'S A FAMOUS PHOTO OF

ALL YOU GUYS WATCHING.

IT'S YOU, IT'S THE PRESIDENT,AND I THINK BILL-- BILL O'REILLY

WAS IN THAT PHOTO, I THINK.

THERE HE IS.

EXACTLY.

EXACTLY.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ).

BILL MADE THAT CALL.

ADMIRAL, WHAT DO YOU THINK--WHAT DO YOU THINK NOW--

>> OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> STEPHEN: OKAY, ADMIRAL,WHAT DO YOU THINK-- IF YOU LOOK

AT WHAT'S HAPPENING IN CHINA,WHAT DO YOU THINK IS GOING TO

HAPPEN THERE?

DO YOU THINK THE CHINESE-- OFWHAT YOU KNOW FROM THE CHINESE

MILITARY, DO YOU THINK THECHINESE MILITARY WILL ROLL TANKS

IN TO HONG KONG?

>> I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GOINGTO ROLL TANKS, BUT I THINK

THEY'RE GOING TO WORK VERY HARDTO STOP WHAT'S GOING ON.

I THINK-- I MEAN, THEY REALLYARE-- THEY DON'T WANT TO REPEAT

TIANANMEN, BUT XI JINPING DOESNOT WANT THIS TO CONTINUE, AND I

THINK HE WILL FIGURE OUT A WAYTO MAKE SURE THAT DOESN'T

HAPPEN, THAT IT STOPS.

>> STEPHEN: DO YOU THINK THEUNITED STATES CAN GET BACK TO A

WORLD WHERE IT IS NOT PUTTINGOUT FIRES IN 24 COUNTRIES AT

ONCE?

>> I DON'T KNOW.

I HONESTLY DON'T KNOW.

>> STEPHEN: IS THERE ANYONEELSE TO STEP IN WITHOUT US?

>> I THINK IT'S HARD TO DOWITHOUT US.

WE'RE LIVING IN A WORLD WITH NOONE CAN DO IT ALONE ANYMORE,

INCLUDING THE UNITED STATES.

BUT WE HAVE SO MUCH DEPTH ANDBREADTH OF CAPABILITY, NOT JUST

MILITARY, THROUGHOUT OURCOUNTRY, AND WE HAVE AN AWFUL

LOT OF CONVENING POWER WHERE WECAN BRING OTHERS ALONG, AND I

THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT AS WELL.

SO BOTH IN THE POLITICAL WORLD,THE DIPLOMATIC WORLD, AS WELL AS

THE MILITARY WORLD, AND THEECONOMIC WORLD, THAT WE ARE

EXPECTED TO BE OUT THERE AND INFACT WHEN WE'RE NOT OUT THERE,

BOTH OUR FRIENDS WONDER AND THEENEMIES WONDER WHAT'S GOING ON.

THEY'RE CONFUSED BECAUSE WE'RENOT OUT THERE.

THAT MESSAGE COMES-- COMESACROSS LOUD AND CLEAR.

SO I'M SOMEONE BELIEVE THATS THEUNITED STATES IS THE

INDISPENSABLE COUNTRY AND WEWILL CONTINUE TO HAVE TO STAY

ENGAGED AND IT'S A VERY TOUGH,COMPLEX, UNSTABLE WORLD IN SOME

PARTS THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVETO FIGURE OUT HOW TO FACILITATE

A BETTER FUTURE IN THE END FORMANY PEOPLES IN MANY COUNTRIES

ALL OVER THE WORLD.

>> STEPHEN: DO YOU EVER GETTIRED?

DO YOU EVER GET TIRED OF THEMIDDLE EAST AND TRYING TO

MEMORIZE THOSE NEW NAMES.

LIKE I THOUGHT I'D BE ABLE TOCUT OUT LIKE THE MUKTADAH ALL

THOSE CONSONANTS JAMMEDTOGETHER.

DOES IT EVER WEAR YOU DOWN, ALLTHE DIFFERENT FIRES WE HAVE TO

PUT OUT IN THE MIDDLE EAST.

OUR ACTIONS OVER THERE.

DO YOU EVER WANT TO THROW UPYOUR HANDS AND GO BACK TO BED?

>> NO.

>> STEPHEN: NO?

>> NO.

WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS SORTOF AN OVER-ARCHING STRATEGY AND

PLAN FOR THE MIDDLE EAST COUNTRYBY COUNTRY, AND THEN EVEN IN THE

REGIONAL SENSE PER SE, AND ITHINK HAVING THAT AND HAVING A

VIEW OF THAT WOULD THEN ALLOWEVERYBODY TO FIGURE OUT HOW THEY

COULD CONTRIBUTE, IF IT'SANOTHER COUNTRY, OR WE COULD

CONTRIBUTE, EVEN INSIDE OUROWN-- OUR OWN COUNTRY.

>> STEPHEN: CAN I TELL YOU WHYI THINK THE AMERICAN PEOPLE

MIGHT BE TIRED OF IT AND WANT TOGO BACK TO BED-- AND I'M

SPEAKING FOR MYSELF, AND,THEREFORE, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

( LAUGHTER )IT'S BECAUSE--

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )WE'RE-- WE'RE ASKED TO BE AFRAID

OF IT.

YOU GET TO THINK ABOUT IT ALLTHE THE TIME OR YOU DID GET TO

THINK ABOUT IT ALL THE TIME ANDSAY TO YOURSELF, YOU KNOW WHAT?

THAT LITTLE CORNER OF THE DESERTLOOKS LIKE IT COULD BLOW UP REAL

GOOD.

LET'S GO OVER THERE.

WHEREAS, WE'RE ASKED TO BEAFRAID OF IT, AND WE'RE REMINDED

TO BE AFRAID OF IT, BUT WE NOLONGER HAVE MUCH OF A VOICE IN

IT BECAUSE OUR CONGRESSIONALREPRESENTATIVES WON'T VOTE ON

WHETHER WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DOANYTHING ABOUT IT.

WE'RE NOT ASKED TO SACRIFICETHAT MUCH FOR IT.

VERY FEW OF US GO FIGHT.

AND WE'RE ALSO NOT TOLD ALL THATMUCH ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING OVER

THERE.

SO ALL WE HAVE IS THE FEAR ANDNONE OF THE ACTION.

AND SO WE EVENTUALLY WANT TOSTOP THINKING ABOUT IT, AND

THAT'S WHY THAT 25,000-MANMERCENARY ARMY STARTS TO SOUND

GOOD.

( LAUGHTER )SO WE ALSO--

( APPLAUSE )WE ALSO WANT TO STOP CARING

ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS TO OUR MENAND WOMEN WHO GO OVER THERE

BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT THEM TOSACRIFICE FOR SOMETHING THAT WE

DON'T THINK IS RIGHT, AND YET,WE DON'T HAVE MUCH VOICE IN IT

ANYMORE.

( APPLAUSE ).

( CHEERS )>> SO YOU BRING UP A CONCERN

THAT I HAVE WITH RESPECT TO AGROWING DISCONNECT BETWEEN THE

MEN AND WOMEN WHO SERVE IN THISALL-VOLUNTEER FORCE WHO ARE THE

BEST I'VE EVER SEEN.

THEY'RE LESS THAN 1% OF THEPOPULATION.

THEY COME FROM FEWER AND FEWERPLACES IN AMERICA.

AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WHODIDN'T HAVE TO BUY INTO THESE

WARS, AS YOU SAID-- AND I AGREEWITH THAT-- AND CERTAINLY THE

VAST, VAST MAJORITY DIDN'T HAVETO FIGHT IN THEM, DON'T KNOW WHO

WE ARE AS A MILITARY.

AND IN FACT-- AND I'VE SAID THISMANY TIMES-- WHAT I ACTUALLY DO

WORRY ABOUT IS THAT WE BECOMESOME VERSION OF SOMETHING LIKE

THE FRENCH FOREIGN LEGION, WHICHIS PLEASE GO OFF AND FIGHT OUR

DIRTY LITTLE WARS AND LET US GETON WITH OUR LIVES.

AND I THINK THAT'S A DISASTERFOR AMERICA.

WE NEED TO BE CONNECTED TO THEAMERICAN PEOPLE AND WE NEED TO

DO THAT THROUGH THE SYSTEMTHAT'S HERE, THOSE THAT ARE

ELECTED, AND I CERTAINLY AGREETHAT THOSE WHO ARE ELECTED OUGHT

TO VOTE ON WHAT WE DO.

AND WE OUGHT TO( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )

AND IF I CAN MAKE-- AND WE OUGHTTO HAVE A FULSOME, RAGING DEBATE

ABOUT THAT IN THIS COUNTRY.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ).

>> STEPHEN: ADMIRAL, THANK YOUSO MUCH.

ADMIRAL MIKE MULLEN.

WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.

THANK YOU.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )