June 19, 2014 - Hamid Al-Bayati

  • 06/19/2014

The U.S. Patent and Trademark Office revokes the Redskins' trademark, Republicans find new ways to deny climate change, and Hamid Al-Bayati discusses the crisis in Iraq.

>> Jon: WELCOME TO "THE DAILYSHOW."

MY NAME IS JON STEWART.

WE HAVE A SHOW FOR YOUTONIGHT.

MY GUEST TONIGHT, THE FORMERIRAQ AMBASSADOR TO THE UNITED

NATIONS, HAMID AL-BAYATI, WILLBE ON THE SHOW TONIGHT, AUTHOR

OF THE BOOK "FROM DICTATORSHIPTO DEMOCRACY," WHICH I IMAGINE

FOR THE PAPERBACK THERE WILLPROBABLY OBVIOUSLY BE AN

ADDENDUM, DEPENDING ONWHERE IT GOES NEXT.

BUT FIRST, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES ALEGAL RULING COMES DOWN THAT

MAKES EVERYONE SAY, WHAT?

WE'RE JUST GETTING AROUND TOTHAT NOW?

LIKE WHEN MISSISSIPPI FINALLYRATIFIED THE 13th AMENDMENT

BANNING SLAVERY.

[LAUGHTER]UM, LAST YEAR.

LAUGHTER OR WHEN THE SUPREMECOURT RULED RECENTLY YOU CAN NO

LONGER USE KITTENS FOR SKEETSHOOTING.

[LAUGHTER][AUDIENCE REACTS]

BEFORE YOU, OH, THAT CAT DOESLOOK LIKE IT'S ATTACKING.

IT MAY JUST BE THE VISUAL.

THAT DOES NOT LOOK LIKE HAPPYKITTY.

BUT THESE LEGAL DECISIONS ARETHE SUBJECT OF OUR NEW SEGMENT

"JON STEWART."

[CHEERING AND APPLAUSE]I HAD SAID WE SHOULDN'T DO THAT

ONE SO IF WE CAN JUST... IDON'T THINK THAT THAT... I DON'T

THINK THAT THAT... I DON'T THINKTHAT THAT'S BETTER...

[LAUGHTER][CHEERING AND APPLAUSE]

THAT'S NOT EVEN A LEGAL PUN.

THAT'S JUST... THERE YOU GO!

"THURSDAY NIGHT LAW."

ANYWAY, OUR FIRST STORY INVOLVESA SPORTS FRANCHISE WHOSE NAME IS

A BIT OF A QUAINT REFERENCE TOTHE PERCEIVED COLOR OF THE SKIN

OF THE PEOPLE WHO SPENT A COUPLEOF THOUSAND YEARS PREPARING THIS

COUNTRY FOR US TO DISCOVER.

>> TODAY THE U.S. PATENT OFFICEREVOKED THE TEAM'S TRADEMARK,

CALLING THE NAME A RACIAL SLURIN BLATANT VIOLATION IN

PROHIBITION AGAINST DISPARAGINGTRADEMARKS.

>> Jon: WHOA, THEY SAID THEYNO LONGER HAVE THE NAME BECAUSE

IT'S A RACIAL SLUR. YOU KNOW,THAT'S THE SAME REASON WHY

NOTRE DAME HAD TO CHANGE THEIRMONIKER TO "THE FIGHTING IRISH"

FROM "THE DRUNK GOOD FORNOTHING FIGHTING IRISH."

PLEASE, PLEASE SEND YOURANGRY LETTERS TO BRIAN WILLIAMS

CARE OF NBC NEWS. SO THEREDSKINS NO LONGER OWN THE

EXCLUSIVE RIGHTS TO THEIR OWNNAME, MEANING ANYONE IS FREE

TO FLOOD THE MARKET WITHREDSKINS BRANDED PRODUCTS OF ANY

KIND FROM BUTT CREAMS TO, IDON'T KNOW, REDSKINS OWNER

SIZED CONDOMS. THAT'SAN ACTUAL PENNY.

ALL I'M SAYING IS THE REDSKINS'OWNER HAS A TINY [BLEEPED].

WHAT?

I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THECONTROVERSY IS.

PERHAPS NOW REDSKINS' OWNERDANIEL SNYDER WILL FINALLY

CONCEDE THAT THIS NAME IS NOLONGER TENABLE.

>> TODAY THE TEAM SAID IT WOULDAPPEAL.

THE OWNER OF THE TEAM, DANIELSNYDER, HAS REFUSED TO CHANGE

THE NAME CITING TRADITION.

>> Jon: OH, TRADITION.

SO YOUR ARGUMENT IN KEEPING YOURNAME IS YOU CAN'T JUST COME IN

HERE AND TAKE OVER OUR ANCESTRALPROPERTY IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

YOU'RE SAYING... I GUESS WHATYOU'RE SAYING IS WE HAD IT

FIRST.

IT WOULD BE LIKE THIS, IT WOULDBE LIKE THIS I GUESS, IF A GROUP

OF PEOPLE TAUGHT YOU HOW THESURVIVE A HARSH WINTER AND THEN

YOU INVITED THAT GROUP OF PEOPLETO A FEAST TO SHOW YOUR

GRATITUDE TO THEM FOR HELPINGYOU TO SURVIVE AND THEN AFTER

DESSERT LET'S SAY YOU KILLEDTHEM AND TOOK THEIR LAND AND

THEN YEARS LATER TO COMMEMORATETHAT DAY, YOU HELD AN

ANNUAL FEAST THAT INCLUDED ASPORTING EVENT IN WHICH ONE

OF THE PARTICIPATING TEAM'SNAMES WAS A DEROGATORY TERM FOR

THE ORIGINAL PEOPLE THATYOU HAD KILLED.

I'M TALKING ABOUT THE REDSKINS!

THE REDSKINS, NOT THE PACKERS.

SWITCH IT.

GET A NEW NAME ALREADY.

IT'S THE 21st CENTURY.

HARD TO THINK OF ANY OTHERCHANGE THAT'S THIS LONG OVERDUE.

>> A NEW BILL IN JAPAN OUTLAWSTHE POSSESSION OF CHILD

PORNOGRAPHY.

>> Jon: DID NOT SEE THATCOMING.

[LAUGHTER]DID YOU SAY "A NEW BILL-- A NEW

BILL." THAT MAKES JAPANMAYBE THE ONLY COUNTRY

TO INVENT A ROBOT WHO CAN MAKEPANCAKES BEFORE

OUTLAWING THE POSSESSION OFCHILD PORNOGRAPHY.

NOW THAT WE'VE GOT THE PANCAKEROBOT, MAYBE WE SHOULD DO THAT.

I REALLY HOPE THIS IS JUSTBECAUSE JAPAN HAS NO CHILD PORN.

AND THEN THEY PASS THISLEGISLATION IN CASE ANYONE EVER

GOT IT, YOU KNOW, LIKE OUR VOTERI.D. LAWS TO PREVENT FRAUD.

IT'S JUST THEORETICAL, RIGHT.

>> ON THE STREETS OF TOKYOSEX SELLS, MAGAZINES AND

VIDEOS, SO SEXUALLY EXPLICIT,PORNOGRAPHIC ILLUSTRATIONS OF

YOUNG GIRLS ENGAGED IN VIOLENTSEX OFTENTIMES WITH OLDER MEN.

[LAUGHTER]>> Jon: I THINK WE ALL OWE

GODZILLA AN APOLOGY.

[CHEERING AND APPLAUSE]ANYWAY, I GUESS,

CONGRATULATIONS, JAPAN, BETTERLATE THAN NEVER.

>> BUT GRAPHIC CARTOONS, EVENONES SHOWING KIDS BEING RAPED,

WILL STAY LEGAL.

WHY?

BECAUSE ANIME ANIMATION ANDMANGA COMICS ARE A MULTIBILLION

DOLLAR INDUSTRY WITH POLITICALAND LOBBYING POWER.

>> Jon: THAT IS EMBARRASSING,JAPAN.

THAT IS EMBARRASSING.

HOW CAN A LOBBY FOR HARMFUL,DESTRUCTIVE INDUSTRY TAKE

PRECEDENCE OVER THE PROTECTIONOF CHILDREN?

I AM FRANKLY... I AM...

[CHEERING AND APPLAUSE]I AM SHOCKED.

I AM UPSET.

SPEAKING OF, SPEAKING OFAMERICA'S NATIONAL WEAPON, THE

GUN, THE SUPREME COURT RECENTLYHEARD A CASE INVOLVING SAID

CONSTITUTIONALLY PROTECTEDFREEDOM MAKER.

>> BRUCE ABRAMSKI WAS A FORMERVIRGINIA POLICE OFFICER.

HE OFFERED TO BUY THE GUN FORHIS UNCLE WHO LIVED IN

PENNSYLVANIA BECAUSE HE THOUGHTHE COULD GET A DISCOUNT.

THE UNCLE GAVE HIM THE MONEYWHEN HE BOUGHT THE GUN.

HE CHECKED THE BOX ON A FORMTHAT ASKED IF HE WAS THE ACTUAL

BUYER.

>> Jon: I DON'T SEE THEPROBLEM THERE.

HE MERELY LIED TO THE FEDERALGOVERNMENT ON A FORM IN ORDER TO

DEFRAUD A GUN DEALER OF AFULL-PRICE SALE. I DON'T,

LOOK, I'M SURE THE FORMS ARECONFUSING.

IT'S NOT LIKE THE FORM CLEARLYSTATES, "QUESTION 11A: ARE YOU

THE ACTUAL BUYER.

WARNING, YOU ARE NOT THE ACTUALBUYER IF YOU ARE ACQUIRING THE

FIREARM ON BEHALF OF ANOTHERPERSON. I UNDERSTAND THAT

ANSWERING YES TO QUESTION 11A IFI'M NOT THE ACTUALY BUYER IS A

CRIME PUNISHABLE AS AFELONY UNDER FEDERAL LAW."

THAT COULD MEAN ANYTHING.

[LAUGHTER]I'M NOT A LEGAL SCHOLAR, BUT I'M

GUESSING THIS IS GOING TO BRINGUS ONE OF THEM WHATCHU CALL

IT THERE 9-0 DECISIONS INTHE SUPREME COURT.

>> IN A 5-4 DECISION, THE COURTRULED THAT THE BUYERS MUST TELL

THE TRUTH WHEN THEY ARE BUYINGGUNS FOR SOMEONE ELSE.

>> Jon: WHAT?

WAIT.

SO FOUR JUSTICES, FOUR JUSTICESON THE NATION'S HIGHEST COURT

RULED THAT WHEN BUYING GUNS, YOUCAN LIE.

>> AS SOON AS I BUY IT, I WALKOUT OF THE STORE AND I MEET THIS

GUY IN THE PARKING LOT.

HE SAYS, HEY, THAT'S ANIFTY-LOOKING GUN THERE.

HOW MUCH DID YOU PAY FOR IT?

HE SAYS, YOU KNOW, I PAID $600.

I'LL GIVE YOU $700.

IT'S YOURS.

RIGHT?

I CAN HAND IT TO HIM, CAN'T I?

>> Jon: YES, AND THEN HE CANGET HIS $700 BACK AT WHAT I CAN

ONLY ASSUME IS GUNPOINT.

SO, YES, THERE IS APPARENTLY NOPROHIBITION ON TRANSFERRING THE

GUN AFTER YOU BUY IT, SO WHAT'SYOUR POINT, SCALIA?

>> THE NOTION THAT THE GUN WOULDSOMEHOW GET INTO THE HANDS OF

SOMEBODY WHO, YOU KNOW, WHOWASN'T REGISTERED OR COULDN'T

BUY IT HIMSELF, I MEAN, THAT'SGOING TO HAPPEN ANYWAY.

WHAT YOU ASSERT DOES NOT STOPTHAT PROBLEM.

>> Jon: SCALIA IS ACTUALLYREFERRING TO THE

PRECEDENT-MAKING CASE BLEEPHAPPENS V.

WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO? IGUESS THE REAL TAKEAWAY IS

THIS, THIS IS WHAT'S CRAZY. SO,SO THE REAL TAKEAWAY FROM THIS

IS, SO YOU'RE ONLY ALLOWEDTO BUY A GUN AT A GUN

STORE AFTER GOING THROUGH SOMETYPE OF QUESTIONNAIRE BACKGROUND

CHECK.

BUT THEN YOU CAN JUST SELL IT ORGIVE IT TO THE FIRST PERSON YOU

SEE IN A PARKING LOT.

SO MY ADVICE TO YOU IS THE NEXTTIME YOU SEE A GUY COME AT YOU

IN PARKING LOT WAVING A GUN,DON'T BE AFRAID.

HE'S JUST EXCITED AT WHAT AGREAT DEAL HE JUST GOT.

[LAUGHTER]WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.

>> Jon: WELCOME BACK TO THESHOW.

NOW, PEOPLE ARE ALWAYSCOMPLAINING.

PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS COMPLAININGTHAT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY

IGNORES SO-CALLED CLIMATE CHANGESCIENCE, BUT THERE IS A REASON

WHY THEY REFUSE TO LISTEN TOALARMISTS.

>> GLOBAL WARMING IS A TOTALFRAUD.

>> A DOG AND PONY SHOW FOR THEIRLIBERAL DONORS.

>> THE PRESIDENT CONTINUESPURSUING THIS GLOBAL WARMING

AGENDA.

>> IT'S REALLY A HOAX.

>> Jon: A HOAX!

IT'S LIKE WAR OF THE WORLDS IFTHERE HAD BEEN OVERWHELMING

EVIDENCE THAT ALIENS HAD LANDEDIN NEW JERSEY.

SO THE REPUBLICANS ARE NOT GOINGTO FALL FOR LIBERAL LIES

ANYMORE. WHICH ISWHY YESTERDAY THEY GOT TO

FINALLY HEAR THE FACTS FROM SOMEOF THEIR OWN.

>> THE E.P.A. ADMINISTRATORS FORFOUR REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTS HAVE

URGED LAWMAKERS TO TAKE ACTIONON CLIMATE CHANGE TODAY.

THE FORMER E.P.A. ADMINISTRATORSONCE WORKED FOR RICHARD NIXON,

GEORGE H.W. BUSH AND HIS SON ANDRONALD REAGAN.

[LAUGHTER]>> Jon: NIXON, DOUBLE BUSH,

THE GREAT REAGAN HIMSELF,BLESSED BE THY NAME.

YOU KNOW THAT PEOPLE WHO WORKFOR THOSE TITANS OF HISTORY

ARE GONNA GIVE US THE STRAIGHTDOPE.

LISTEN UP, TREE-HUGGERS.

>> WE BELIEVE THERE ISLEGITIMATE SCIENTIFIC DEBATE

OVER THE PACE AND EFFECTS OFCLIMATE CHANGE, BUT NO

LEGITIMATE DEBATE OVER THEEFFECTS OF THE EARTH'S WARMING

OR MAN'S CONTRIBUTION.

>> THE ISSUE HAS BEEN SETTLED,THE E.P.A. DOES HAVE THE

AUTHORITY.

THE LAW SAYS SO.

THE SUPREME COURT HAS SAID SOTWICE.

THAT MATTER I BELIEVE SHOULD NOWBE PUT TO REST.

>> Jon: TRAITORS!

TRAITORS!

BRING ME MY SMELLING TURDS.

CLIMATE CHANGE WARNINGS ANDE.P.A. EMPOWERMENT COMING FROM

ACTUAL REPUBLICANS?

THAT'S LIKE BEING TOLD PIZZACAUSES CANCER BY THE TEENAGE

MUTANT NINJA TURTLES WHO LOVEPIZZA.

IT'S GOING TO BE PRETTY HARD FORG.O.P.

SENATORS TO ARGUE WITH THIS.

>> I'M NOT A SCIENTIST.

BUT I'M AN OPTOMETRIST.

I SPENT MUCH OF MY LIFE WORKINGWITH THE SCIENTIFIC COMMUNITY.

I WAS A ZOOLOGY MAJOR.

[LAUGHTER]>> Jon: "SO IF THIS HEARING IS

ABOUT A ZEBRA WITH ANASTIGMATISM, I'M YOUR GUY.

I'M YOUR GUY."

WELL, AS A MAN WITH A SCIENTIFICBACKGROUND THERE, YOU RECOGNIZE

THAT THE SCIENTIFIC CONSENSUSHERE DISCREDITS THE PEOPLE WHO

DENY CLIMATE CHANGE.

>> AND I SAID BEFORE THATTHERE'S NOTHING SCIENTIFIC ABOUT

DISCREDITING PEOPLE WHO PRESENTCONFLICTING EVIDENCE AND ASK

REASONABLE QUESTIONS.

>> Jon: WELL, LET'S COMPARETHE EVIDENCE AND WE'LL PRESENT

IT IN A WAY THAT MAKES SENSE TOSOMEONE WITH YOUR BACKGROUND.

OKAY.

HERE WE GO.

WHICH OF THESE COASTLINES LOOKSBETTER TO YOU.

IS IT A OR B?

A OR B?

YOU CAN'T SEE THE DIFFERENCE?

OKAY.

OKAY.

I'M AFRAID YOU MAY HAVE WILLFULBLINDNESS.

ONCE WE CORRECT THE PROBLEM,MAYBE YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE THAT

WE HAVE TO REGULATE THE CARBONDIOXIDE THAT'S HEATING THE

ATMOSPHERE.

>> CO2 IS A DIFFERENT KETTLE OFFISH.

IT'S NOT PARTICULATES AND NOXAND SOX.

IT'S PLANT FOOD.

[LAUGHTER]>> Jon: THAT IS THE SINGLE

MOST CHARMING WAY I HAVE EVERHEARD SOMEONE SAY SOMETHING SO

WRONG.

"YOU KNOW, MY PAPPY TOLD ME, IFYOU TICKLE A FROG AND IT WINKS,

YOU GIRLFRIEND CAN'T GETPREGNANT."

YOU KNOW, THIS GUY IS... HE ISWRONG, BUT HE IS ADORABLE.

HE IS WRONG-DORABLE.

BUT, WHAT DOES IT MATTER?

EVEN IF YOU ACCEPTED THESCIENCE, YOU'D STILL FIND SOME

WAY TO DENIGRATE CLIMATE POLICY,YES?

>> NOW WE HAVE FIRST ROUND OF AGLOBAL WARMING REGULATIONS,

WHICH WILL NATIONALIZE THEELECTRICITY MARKET AND FORCE

AMERICANS TO LIVE OUT THEPRESIDENT'S GREEN DREAM.

>> Jon: THE PRESIDENT'S GREENDREAM.

BY THE WAY, OBAMA'S GREEN DREAM,TOP-SELLING STRAIN IN COLORADO

DISPENSARIES.

NOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY.

REPUBLICAN LAWMAKERS, I DON'TKNOW WHAT TO DO NOW, REPUBLICAN

LAWMAKERS WON'T LISTEN TO ALGORE, THEY WON'T LISTEN TO

NEIL DEGRASSE TYSON, THEY WON'T

LISTEN TO BILL NYE THESCIENCE GUY.

NOW THEY WON'T EVEN LISTEN TOMEMBERS OF THEIR OWN PARTY.

THERE IS REALLY ONLY ONESOLUTION TO GET REPUBLICANS

TO DO SOMETHING ABOUTCLIMATE CHANGE.

OBAMA MUST BECOME A GLOBALWARMING DENIER.

HE MUST RIDE UP TO CONGRESS IN AHUMMER WITH A GUN RACK AND TELL

THEM, "I WAS WRONG AND YOU ARERIGHT."

WE'D HAVE CAP AND TRADE BY THEMORNING.

WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.

>> Jon: MY GUST TONIGHT WASTHE PERMANENT REPRESENTATIVE OF

IRAQ TO THE UNITED NATIONS FROM2006 TO 2013.

PLEASE WELCOME HAMID AL-BAYATI.

SIR.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WELL, THANK YOU MUCH FOR JOININGUS.

WE VERY MUCH APPRECIATE YOUBEING HERE BECAUSE ON AMERICAN

TELEVISION, THERE ARE A LOT OFTALKING HEADS SAYING, "WHAT'S

GOING ON IN IRAQ?"BUT WE DON'T... BOY, I DON'T

KNOW HOW TO PUT THIS, KNOW THATMUCH ABOUT IT.

[LAUGHTER]YOU PERHAPS MIGHT KNOW MORE.

SO WHAT HAPPENED?

WHAT'S GOING ON THERE RIGHT NOW?

>> JON, DEFINITELY I KNOW MORETHAN MOST OF THE AMERICANS.

[LAUGHTER]>> Jon: KIND OF GOES WITHOUT

SAYING.

I FIGURED THAT.

ALL RIGHT.

SO HIT ME.

HIT ME.

WHAT HAPPENED?

>> THE IRAQ I WAS BORN IN ANDGROWN UP IN IS AN IRAQ OF UNITY.

THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE LOVE TOLIVE IN PEACE AND HARMONY.

MUSLIMS, CHRISTIANS, JEWS, THEYLIVED FOR CENTURIES.

HOWEVER, THERE ARE MINORITIES,FAR EXTREMISTS, AND

UNFORTUNATELY THEY MAKE HIGHNOISES, LOUDER NOISES, AND THE

MEDIA PICK UP THESE NOISES ANDMAKE IT BIGGER. NOW, THERE'S THE

FACT THAT THERE IS SPILLOVER FROM INSTABILITY IN SYRIA.

ISIS IS AL QAEDA IN IRAQ ANDSYRIA IN THE BEGINNING.

THEN AL QAEDA CONSIDERED THEMTOO EXTREME AND THEY --

>> Jon: AL QAEDA CONSIDERS THISISIS GROUP...

>> TOO EXTREME FOR THEM.

IMAGINE, YOU KNOW?

>> JON: SO AL QAEDA, THE GROUPRESPONSIBLE FOR 9/11, THEY SEE

THESE GUYS AND THEY GO, NO, ICAN'T WORK WITH THEM.

[LAUGHTER]>> EXACTLY.

THEY'RE TOO MUCH.

SO NOW WE ARE FACING THIS GROUPWHO ARE BRUTAL.

THE UNITED NATIONS REPORTS THATTHEY ARE COMMITTING WAR CRIMES.

THEY EXECUTE THOUSANDS OFPEOPLE, INCLUDING CIVILIANS, IN

MOSUL AND OTHER AREAS.

>> Jon: BUT LET ME ASK YOU,SO, THE REPORTS THAT WE GET IS,

SO WE LEAVE IRAQ.

EVERYBODY SAYS IRAQ IS READY.

WE'RE GOING TO TAKE OVER THEGOVERNANCE AND SECURITY OF THIS

NATION.

YOU WERE THERE DURING THAT TIME.

YOU FELT GOOD ABOUT THATARRANGEMENT.

EVERYBODY FELT GOOD.

THESE GUYS ROLL IN, AND THEIRAQI ARMY SEEMS TO DISPERSE,

AND THEY TAKE OVER THIS AREA INMOSUL.

AND THE LOCAL PEOPLE, BECAUSE ITSEEMS LIKE THEY'VE NOW JOINED UP

WITH THE ORIGINAL BA'ATHISTSFROM SADDAM'S OLD GROUP, AND

THEY SEEM TO BE ALLIED NOW.

IS THAT WHAT HAPPENED?

>> YES, NOT ONLY ISIS.

ISIS IS 5,000 TO 6,000PERSONNEL.

>> Jon: 5,000 TO 6,000.

>> ONLY, ONLY.

>> Jon: SERIOUSLY, THAT'S IT?

>> YEAH. THE HIGHEST ESTIMATIONIS 10,000, HOWEVER, THE BA'ATH

PARTY IS HEADED OR LED BY IZZATAL-DOURI WHO WAS VICE PRESIDENT

FOR SADDAM. THE INSURGENCY GROUPLIKE NAQSHABANDI GROUP

AND OTHER GROUPS ARE JOINING.

>> Jon: SO THIS IS SIMILAR TOWHAT HAD OCCURRED IN THE ANBAR

PROVINCE IN 2006?

>> YEAH, EXACTLY.

BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT THING,THE IRAQI ARMY WAS NOT WELL

EQUIPPED.

WE ASKED FOR, FOR EXAMPLE, JETFIGHTERS.

WE DIDN'T RECEIVE THEM YET.

THE CONGRESS APPROVED F-16sSINCE MANY YEARS.

WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED THEM. NOW WEASKED,

THIS IS WHY THE IRAQI GOVERNMENTOFFICIALLY REQUESTED AN AIR

STRIKE BY AMERICAN FORCES.

NOW, PRESIDENT OBAMA ANNOUNCEDTODAY THAT THEY COULD TAKE

CERTAIN TARGETS, PRECISE ATTACKSWHENEVER THEY FEEL IT'S

IMPORTANT. I THINKIT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE

GATHER TOGETHER TO FIGHTTHIS EXTREME GROUP.

>> Jon: SO YOU WOULD LIKE US TOJOIN THE FIGHT?

>> I WOULD SAY THIS IS THE IRAQIGOVERNMENT REQUEST.

>> Jon: THE IRAQI GOVERNMENTWOULD LIKE US TO JOIN THE FIGHT?

>> YES, THEY REQUEST AMERICANAIR STRIKES, NOT JUST IN TROOPS,

GROUND TROOPS, THAT'S ADIFFERENCE BETWEEN ONLY

AMERICANS AND DRONES ANDYEMEN AND PAKISTAN AND OTHER

AREAS.

>> Jon: THIS IS WHAT, YOU WOULDLIKE OUR DRONE PROGRAM.

WE HAVE MANY DIFFERENT PACKAGES.

WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE? [LAUGHTER]

SO LET ME SEE, LET ME GET YOURORDER RIGHT.

>> OKAY.

OKAY.

>> Jon: THE AMERICANS WOULD...

I FEEL LIKE WE'RE IN SORT OF AVERY STRANGE POSITION IN THAT WE

DID DESTABILIZE YOU.

>> THANK YOU.

>> Jon: YOU'RE WELCOME.

[LAUGHTER]I THINK AMERICANS FEEL LIKE WE

HAD SPENT AN AWFUL LOT OF MONEY,A LOT OF BLOOD FOR REASONS THAT,

YOU KNOW, WE CAN FIGHT ABOUTWHETHER OR NOT IT WAS RIGHT TO

GO IN OR NOT, BUT THAT MAYBE WEDO HAVE A MORAL OBLIGATION TO

THE IRAQI PEOPLE AFTER DOINGTHAT, BUT OUR ABILITY TO

WITHSTAND SORT OF BEING THEFABRIC THAT HOLDS THE COUNTRY

TOGETHER FROM THESE SECTARIANVIOLENCE ISSUES AND THESE

EXTREMIST VIOLENCE ISSUES, ISNOT A TENABLE POSITION FOR US TO

BE IN.

>> WELL, THERE IS AN IMPORTANTFACTOR THAT ABU MUSAB

AL-ZARQAWI. AND BY THE WAY...

>> ZARQAWI WAS THE OLD LEADEROF THIS GROUP.

THE JORDANIAN THAT WAS KILLED AWHILE AGO.

>> YES.

ISIS WAS ORIGINALLY PART OF THEZARQAWI GROUP WHO WAS SEPARATE

FROM AL QAEDA.

ZARQAWI WROTE A LETTER TO OSAMABIN LADEN WHEN HE ANNOUNCED

ALLEGIANCE TO HIM, SAYING THATIF THE IRAQI GOVERNMENT GETS

STRONGER AND CONTROL THESITUATION, THERE WILL BE NO

OPTION BUT TO PACK AND LEAVEAS WE DID IN AFGHANISTAN.

THE ONLY SOLUTION IS TO BRINGSECTARIAN WAR BETWEEN SUNNIS AND

SHIA. THIS IS WHY...

>> Jon: SO THEY'RE FOMENTINGTHIS WAR.

THEY WANT THIS LARGER SECTARIANWAR.

>> YES. ABU BAKR AL-BAGHDADIWHOSE REAL NAME IS IBRAHIM AWWAD

AL-BADRI, HE TRIED TO PLAY THATSECTARIAN CARD.

>> Jon: HE WANTS TO FOMENT THISWAR.

WELL, LET'S DO THIS. LET'S TAKEBREAK.

CAN YOU STICK AROUND FAR LITTLEBIT?

>> YES. BECAUSE WHAT I WANT TOTALK ABOUT

WHEN WE COME BACK IS, WOULDHE BE ABLE TO ENFLAME

THAT SECTARIAN WAR IFTHE AL-MALIKI GOVERNMENT HAD

BEEN MORE OPEN TO POWER SHARINGWITH THE SUNNI MINORITY AND HAS

THAT PLAYED A ROLE IN THIS.

SO WHEN WE COME BACK, WE'LLTALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT.

WE'LL HAVE MORE WITH HAMIDAL-BAYATI RIGHT AFTER THIS.

>> Jon: HEY, THAT'S OUR SHOW.

HERE IT IS, YOUR MOMENT OF ZEN.

>> DO YOU KNOW HOW EASY IT IS TOINFURIATE EUROPEANS?

WATCH THIS, SOCCER, SOCCER,SOCCER, SOCCER, SOCCER, SOCCER,

SOCCER, SOCCER, SOCCER, SOCCER,SOCCER.

[CHEERING AND APPLAUSE]>> Jon: WELCOME BACK, MY GUEST

TONIGHT WAS THE PERMANENTREPRESENTATIVE OF

IRAQ TO THE UNITED NATIONS FROM2006 UNTIL 2013.

PLEASE WELCOME HAMID AL-BAYATI.

SIR.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WELL, WELL, THANK YOU MUCH FORJOINING US.

WE VERY MUCH APPRECIATE YOUBEING HERE BECAUSE ON AMERICAN

TELEVISION, THERE ARE A LOT OFTALKING HEADS SAYING, "WHAT'S

GOING ON IN IRAQ?"BUT WE DON'T... BOY, I DON'T

KNOW HOW TO PUT THIS, KNOW THATMUCH ABOUT IT.

[LAUGHTER]YOU PERHAPS MIGHT KNOW MORE.

SO WHAT HAPPENED?

WHAT'S GOING ON THERE RIGHT NOW?

>> JON, DEFINITELY I KNOW MORETHAN MOST OF THE AMERICANS.

[LAUGHTER]>> Jon: KIND OF GOES WITHOUT

SAYING.

I FIGURED THAT.

ALL RIGHT.

SO HIT ME. HIT ME.

WHAT, WHAT HAPPENED?

>> THE IRAQ I WAS BORN IN ANDGROWN UP IN IS AN IRAQ OF UNITY.

PEOPLE, THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLELOVE TO LIVE IN PEACE AND

HARMONY. MUSLIMS, CHRISTIANS,JEWS, THEY LIVED FOR CENTURIES.

HOWEVER, THERE ARE MINORITIES,FAR EXTREMISTS, AND

UNFORTUNATELY THEY MAKE HIGHNOISES, LOUDER NOISES,

AND THE MEDIA PICK UP THESENOISES AND MAKE IT BIGGER.

NOW, THERE'S A FACTION SPILLOVER FROM INSTABILITY IN SYRIA.

ISIS IS AL QAEDA IN IRAQ INSYRIA IN THE BEGINNING.

THEN AL QAEDA CONSIDERED THEMTOO EXTREME AND THEY --

>> Jon: AL QAEDA CONSIDERS THISISIS GROUP...

>> TOO EXTREME FOR THEM.

IMAGINE, YOU KNOW?

>> Jon: SO AL QAEDA, THE GROUPRESPONSIBLE FOR 9/11, THEY SEE

THESE GUYS AND THEY GO, NO, ICAN'T WORK WITH THEM.

[LAUGHTER]>> EXACTLY.

THEY'RE TOO MUCH.>> Jon: ALRIGHT.

>> SO NOW WE ARE FACING THISGROUP WHO ARE BRUTAL.

THE UNITED NATIONS REPORTS THATTHEY ARE COMMITTING WAR CRIMES.

THEY EXECUTE THOUSANDS OFPEOPLE, INCLUDING CIVILIANS,

>> Jon: RIGHT.>> IN MOSUL AND OTHER AREAS.

>> Jon: SO LET ME ASK YOU, SOTHE REPORTS THAT WE GET IS,

SO WE LEAVE IRAQ.

EVERYBODY SAYS IRAQ IS READY.

WE'RE GOING TO TAKE OVER THEGOVERNANCE AND SECURITY OF THIS

NATION.

YOU WERE THERE DURING THAT TIME.

YOU FELT GOOD ABOUT THATARRANGEMENT.

EVERYBODY FELT GOOD.

THESE GUYS ROLL IN, AND THEIRAQI ARMY SEEMS TO DISPERSE,

AND THEY TAKE OVER THIS AREA INMOSUL.

AND THE LOCAL PEOPLE, BECAUSE ITSEEMS LIKE THEY'VE NOW JOINED UP

WITH THE ORIGINAL BA'ATHISTSFROM SADDAM'S OLD GROUP, AND

THEY SEEM TO BE ALIVE NOW.

IS THAT WHAT HAPPENED?

>> YES, IT'S NOT ONLY ISIS.

ISIS IS 5,000 TO 6,000PERSONNEL.

>> Jon: 5,000 TO 6,000.

>> ONLY, ONLY.

>> Jon: SERIOUSLY, THAT'S IT?

>> THE HIGHEST ESTIMATION IS10,000, HOWEVER, THE BA'ATH

PARTY IS HEADED OR LED BY IZZATAL-DOURI WHO WAS VICE PRESIDENT

FOR SADDAM. THE INSURGENCY GROUPLIKE NAQSHABANDI GROUP

AND OTHER GROUPS ARE JOINING.

>> Jon: SO THIS IS SIMILAR TOWHAT HAD OCCURRED IN THE ANBAR

PROVINCE IN 2006?

>> YEAH, EXACTLY.

BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT THING ISTHAT THE IRAQI ARMY WAS NOT WELL

EQUIPPED.

WE ASKED FOR, FOR EXAMPLE, JETFIGHTERS.

WE DIDN'T RECEIVE THEM YET.

THE CONGRESS APPROVED F-16S,SINCE MANY YEARS.

WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED THEM. NOW WEASKED,

THIS IS WHY THE IRAQI GOVERNMENTOFFICIALLY REQUESTED AN AIR

STRIKE BY AMERICAN FORCES.

NOW, PRESIDENT OBAMA ANNOUNCEDTODAY THAT THEY COULD TAKE

CERTAIN TARGETS, PRECISE ATTACKSWHENEVER THEY FEEL IT'S

IMPORTANT. I THINK IT'SIMPORTANT THAT WE GATHER

TOGETHER TO FIGHT THIS EXTREMEGROUP BECAUSE THEY ARE...

>> Jon: SO YOU WOULD LIKE USTO JOIN THE FIGHT?

>> I WOULD SAY THIS IS THE IRAQIGOVERNMENT REQUEST.

>> Jon: THE IRAQI GOVERNMENTWOULD LIKE US TO JOIN THE FIGHT?

>> YES, THEY REQUEST AMERICANAIR STRIKES, NOT JUST IN TROOPS,

GROUND TROOPS, THAT'S ADIFFERENCE BETWEEN ONLY

AMERICANS AND DRONES IN YEMENAND PAKISTAN AND OTHER AREAS.

>> Jon: YOU WOULD LIKE OURDRONE PROGRAM.

WE HAVE MANY DIFFERENT PACKAGES.

WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE? [LAUGHTER]

SO, SO LET ME SEE. LET ME GETYOUR ORDER RIGHT.

>> OKAY.

OKAY.

>> Jon: THE AMERICANS WOULD...

I FEEL LIKE WE'RE IN SORT OF AVERY STRANGE POSITION IN THAT WE

DID DESTABILIZE YOU.

>> THANK YOU.

>> Jon: YOU'RE WELCOME.

[LAUGHTER]I THINK AMERICANS FEEL LIKE WE

HAD SPENT AN AWFUL LOT OF MONEY,A LOT OF BLOOD FOR REASONS THAT,

YOU KNOW, WE CAN FIGHT ABOUTWHETHER OR NOT IT WAS RIGHT TO

GO IN OR NOT, BUT THAT MAYBE WEDO HAVE A MORAL OBLIGATION TO

THE IRAQI PEOPLE AFTER DOINGTHAT, BUT OUR ABILITY TO

WITHSTAND SORT OF BEING THEFABRIC THAT HOLDS THE COUNTRY

TOGETHER FROM THESE SECTARIANVIOLENCE ISSUES AND THESE

EXTREMIST VIOLENCE ISSUES, ISNOT A TENABLE POSITION FOR US TO

BE IN.

>> WELL, THERE IS AN IMPORTANTFACTOR THAT ABU MUSAB

AL-ZARQAWI, AND BY THE WAYTHE...

>> ZARQAWI WAS THE OLD LEADEROF THIS GROUP, THE JORDANIAN

THAT WAS KILLED A WHILE AGO.

>> YES.

ISIS WAS ORIGINALLY PART OF THEZARQAWI GROUP WHO WAS SEPARATE

FROM AL QAEDA.

ZARQAWI WROTE A LETTER TO OSAMABIN LADEN WHEN HE ANNOUNCED

ALLEGIANCE TO HIM, SAYING THATIF THE IRAQI GOVERNMENT GETS

THROWNOVER, THERE WILL BE NOOPTION BUT TO PACK AND LEAVE AS

WE DID IN AFGHANISTAN.

THE ONLY SOLUTION IS TO BRINGSECTARIAN WAR BETWEEN SUNNIS AND

SHIA.

>> Jon: SO THEY'RE FOMENTINGTHIS WAR.

THEY WANT THIS LARGER SECTARIANWAR.

>> YES. ABU BAKR AL-BAGHDADIWHOSE REAL NAME IS IBRAHIM AWWAD

AL-BADRI, HE'S TRIED TO PLAYTHAT SECTARIAN CARD.

>> Jon: HE WANTS TO FOMENTTHIS WAR.

LET'S DO THIS. LET'S TAKE BREAK.

CAN YOU STICK AROUND FAR LITTLEBIT?

>> YES.>> Jon: CAUSE WHAT I WANT TO

TALK ABOUT WHEN WE COME BACKIS, WOULD HE BE ABLE TO

SUSTAIN THAT SECTARIAN WAR IFTHE AL-MALIKI GOVERNMENT HAD

BEEN MORE OPEN TO POWER SHARINGWITH THE SUNNI MINORITY AND HAS

THAT PLAYED A ROLE IN THIS?

SO WHEN WE COME BACK, WE'LL TALKABOUT THAT.

WE'LL HAVE MORE WITHHAMID AL-BAYATI AFTER THIS.

[APPLAUSE]>> Jon: ALL RIGHT.

SO WE'RE TALKING, HERE'S WHATWE'RE TALKING.

SO THE BIG CRITICISM OFAL-MALIKI FROM THE AMERICAN

PERSPECTIVE, AND I DON'T KNOW,MAYBE WITHIN IRAQ, IS THAT HE

HAS NOT ALLOWED THE SUNNIMINORITY A ROLE AND THAT THEIR

ANGER AT THAT IS HELPING TOFOMENT THIS SECTARIAN DIVIDE.

ALLOWED ISIS TO SWEEP IN WITHNOT ONLY NOT BEING FOUGHT, BUT

BEING JOINED, AND IF HE HAD BEENMAYBE MORE WILLING TO DO THAT,

WE WOULDN'T FIND OURSELVES HERE.

>> WELL, JON, THIS IS ANIMPORTANT ISSUE HERE.

WHEN THERE IS GOOD NEWS IN IRAQ,IT'S NOT REFLECTED IN THE MEDIA.

>> Jon: THERE IS GOOD NEWS?

>> YES. TWO DAYSAGO, 16 LEADERS,

SUNNIS, SHIA, KURDS,EVEN CHRISTIANS, THEY GATHERED

IN THE HOUSE OF THE FORMER PRIMEMINISTER IBRAHIM AL-JAAFARI, AND

THEY AGREED AND THEY READ ASTATEMENT.

THEY SAID THEY SHOULD LEAVETHEIR DIFFERENCES ASIDE.

THEY SHOULD HAVE A UNITYMISSION, A UNITY GOVERNMENT TO

FIGHT TERRORISM.

SO I THINK THERE IS HOPE THAT WECOULD AGAIN UNITE AFTER WE SAW.

THIS IS A CANCER.

IF WE DON'T GET...

>> Jon: ARE THESE INFLUENTIALLEADERS?

>> THEY ARE.

>> Jon: YOU KNOW, WE HEAR THATSISTANI, WHO IS CONSIDERED TRULY

INFLUENTIAL WITHIN THE SHIITECOMMUNITY, HAS CALLED FOR SHIA

FIGHTERS TO JOIN TOGETHER TODEFEND THE GREAT SHIA HOLY SITES

OF THAT PART OF IRAQ.

WOULD HE SIGN ON THE THAT TYPEOF AGREEMENT, AND ARE THE 16, DO

THEY HAVE THE TYPE OF SWAY THATYOU WOULD NEED TO HAVE?

CERTAINLY NOT WITH THEBA'ATHIST, BUT WITH THE MAJORITY

OF THE COUNTRY.

>> WELL, SISTANI IS RESPECTED BYALL IRAQI PEOPLE, BEING SUNNI,

SHIITES, KURDS, AND OF COURSE,HE SAID PEOPLE SHOULD

BE ABLE TO DEFENDTHEMSELVES, BECAUSE

HE FELT THAT ISIS COULD SWEEPBAGHDAD AND OTHER AREAS.

>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> SO NOW PEOPLE START TORESTORE CONFIDENCE WHEN SISTANI

GIVES THEM THE PERMISSION TO BEREADY, NOT ATTACK.

THERE WAS NO SINGLE ATTACK INBAGHDAD AGAINST INNOCENT PEOPLE,

ALTHOUGH ISIS COMMIT MASSACRES.

>> Jon: YES, BUT THE SHIA, FORINSTANCE, THAT ONE ATTACK ON THE

PRISON AND THE 50 PRISONERS.

>> THERE ARE CONFLICTING STORIESABOUT THE PRISON...

>> Jon: CONFLICTING STORIES...

>> BUT THIS IS NOT IN BAGHDAD.THIS WAS IN DIYALA.

>> Jon: I SEE.

>> BUT IN BAGHDAD, THERE WAS NOSINGLE TAKE AGAINST ANYBODY, SO

PEOPLE NOW, I THINK THEY FEELTHE IMPORTANCE OF UNITE AGAIN TO

FIGHT THIS DANGER WHICH IS ADANGER FOR ALL IRAQIS, NOT ONLY

IRAQIS, IT'S A DANGER FOR THEREGION AND THE WORLD.

>> Jon: THAT BRINGS TOLARGER POINT. YOU KNOW,

WE'RE SORT OF UNDER THEIMPRESSION THAT THIS IS ALL

BASED ON SORT OF A PROXY WAR,THAT IRAN AND SAUDI ARABIA

ARE THESE TWO POWER CENTERS, ANDTHAT IRAN THROUGH HEZBOLLAH

AND THE AL-QUAEDS HASDESTABILIZED SYRIA OR HELPED TO

DESTABILIZE SYRIA AND THEAREAS DOWN THROUGH LEBANON AND

CONTINUE TO DO SO, AND THATSAUDI ARABIA HAS BEEN FUNDING

THESE SUNNI EXTREMIST GROUPSTHROUGH, YOU KNOW, THEIR MONEY,

AS WELL.

AND THAT ULTIMATELY THIS IS APOWER STRUGGLE BETWEEN THOSE TWO

CENTERS.

IS THAT A REASONABLE WAY TODEFINE THE CONFLICT AND WILL

THERE BE A WAR WHERE THEY JUSTDECIDE, OKAY, LET'S GO AT IT

JUST THE TWO OF US.

WHAT IS THE END GAME HERE?

OR IS IT JUST A TENSE STANDOFFBETWEEN THE TWO POWER CENTERS.

>> THE UNITED STATES IS THE ONLYSUPERPOWER IN THE WORLD NOW.

AND THEY SHOULD PLAY A ROLE INTHE REGION.

THERE ARE AMERICANS WHO AREFIGHTING WITH ISIS RIGHT NOW.

>> Jon: THERE'S AMERICANSFIGHTING WITH ISIS?

>> YES, YES, YES. ONE OF THEMALREADY HAD A SUICIDE ATTACK.

HIS NAME IS WAS ABU HURAYRAAL-AMRIKI.

>> Jon: OK. >> THERE IS AN ESTIMATION OF

AROUND 70 AMERICANS ARE FIGHTINGWITH ISIS.

>> Jon: OK. >> THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF

FOREIGN FIGHTERS, AND SOME OFTHEM, HUNDREDS OF EUROPEAN

ORIGINS.>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> THESE COULD COME BACK ANDATTACK IN THE UNITED STATES.

I'M NOT TRYING TO FRIGHTEN YOU.

I'M TRYING WARN YOU.

>> Jon: YOU CAN'T FRIGHTEN ME.

I'M A JEW.>> OK.

>> Jon: I WAS BORN FRIGHTENED.

>> WE'RE COUSINS THEN.

>> Jon: WE ARE COUSINS.

BUT, YOU KNOW, TO THE OTHERPOINT, THOUGH, DOES THIS,

IS THIS A POLITICAL PROBLEM?

IS THIS A RELIGIOUS PROBLEM?

IS THIS A TRIBAL PROBLEM?

IS THERE A SOLUTION TO... ITFEELS LIKE, YES, THE UNITED

STATES CAN BE INVOLVED, BUT WEDON'T HAVE THE MORAL AUTHORITY

IN THAT PART OF THE WORLD.

WE JUST DON'T. IT'S WHY OURSTATUS OF FORCES AGREEMENT

-- WE WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN ALLOWEDTO

KEEP 15,000, 20,000 TROOPSTHERE.

YOU KNOW THAT WASN'TTENABLE.

AND AL-MALIKI COULD HAVE NEVERGOT THAN THROUGH PARLIAMENT.

IRAN DOESN'T EVEN WANT TO TALKWITH US.

WE'RE THE SAME WITH THEM.

I GUESS MY POINT IS: WE CAN'TCONTROL THAT PART OF THE WORLD,

THAT PART OF THE WORLD HAS TOSOLVE THIS CONFLICT IN SOME WAY

ITSELF.

AND THEY WON'T UNLESS, AND WHILEI APPRECIATE MAYBE THE 16 PEOPLE

IN IRAQ, DON'T THE SAUDIS ANDIRAN HAVE TO GET TOGETHER AND

HASH THIS OUT?

>> I THINK, CONGRATULATIONS, YOUUNDERSTAND THE SITUATION IN

IRAN.

[APPLAUSE]>> Jon: ALL RIGHT.

>> OKAY.

OKAY.

>> Jon: I UNDERSTAND.

I WIN A CRAPPY.

>> SO THE AMERICANS COULD HELP.

THEY HAVE TO ACT.

THEY HAVE TO HAVE INFLUENCE ONIRAQIS, ON REGIONAL POWERS, ON

EVERYBODY BECAUSE THIS IS ADANGER FOR THE WHOLE WORLD.

>> Jon: SURE.

>> AND WE HAVE NO OPTION BUT TOUNITE, AND THE STRATEGIC

FRAMEWORK AGREEMENT WAS TO HAVEAN ALLIANCE BETWEEN IRAQ AND THE

UNITED STATES TO FIGHTTERRORISM.

NOW, IRAQIS NOW ARE FACINGTRAUMA AND EVEN MENTAL PROBLEMS

BECAUSE OF VIOLENCE...

>> Jon: THEY HAVE BEEN FORYEARS.

>> EXACTLY.

>> Jon: AND ALSO UNDER SADDAM.

>> EXACTLY.

>> Jon: YOU KNOW, THE SHIAPOPULATION

>> EXACTLY. FOR 30 YEARS THEY'VEBEEN SUFFERING. THIS IS WHY I

HAVE AN INITIATIVE IN THE U.N.,A RESOLUTION WHICH WAS ADOPTED

BY CONSENSUS IN THE GENERALASSEMBLY TO CELEBRATE WHAT WE

CALL THE INTERNATIONAL DAY OFHAPPINESS ON MARCH 20th EVERY

YEAR TO BRING HAPPINESS TOPEOPLE, DESPERATE PEOPLE

LIKE REFUGEES, WIDOWS, ORPHANSAND VULNERABLE PEOPLE.

>> Jon: RIGHT.>> AND I HAVE ANOTHER

INITIATIVE TO HAVEHAPPY TV ON THE INTERNET TO TALK

ABOUT HAPPINESS, ABOUT TRAUMA.>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> AND BY THE WAY, THE U.N. HASINTERNATIONAL DAY OF YOUTH ON

AUGUST 12th AND THE THEMEFOR THIS YEAR IS, YOU KNOW,

MENTAL PROBLEMS. WE'RE FACINGTHESE TRAUMAS IN IRAQ AND

WE NEED TO FACE THIS PROBLEM,BUT WE NEED THE HELP

OF THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY,ESPECIALLY THE UNITED STATES.

>> Jon: BUT THAT'S MY POINT.

THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY...

IF THE UNITED STATES STEPS IN,THERE WE ARE TOO EASY A TARGET

FOR THE GROUPS ONTHE GROUND TO USE.

ANY TIME WE THROW OUR SUPPORTBEHIND A GROUP IN THAT REGION,

THAT GROUP LOSES THE SUPPORT OFTHEIR PEOPLE. WE ARE AN EASY...

>> YOU ARE ALREADY A TARGET,WHETHER YOU ARE GOING TO

INTERVENE OR NOT.

>> Jon: BUT, I MEAN, ON THEDOMESTIC FRONT, AL-MALIKI HAD TO

KEEP US AT A DISTANCEDOMESTICALLY, JUST LIKE THEY

HAVE TO DO, THE SAUDISTOO HAVE TO KEEP US AT

A DISTANCE. IT'S NOT,WE'RE NOT PARTICULARLY

WELL RESPECTED THERE. FOR SOMEREAL REASONS AND FOR

SOME REASONS THAT ARE, YOUKNOW, EXAGGERATED.

WE'VE CERTAINLY DONE OUR SHAREOF THINGS THAT WOULD NOT BE

CONSIDERED POSITIVE.

>> WELL, IN IRAQ, IN IRAQ AFTER2003, WE HAD THE DEMOCRACY

WE HAD AN ELECTED PARLIAMENT,WE COULDN'T PASS IN THE

PARLIAMENT WHAT WE HOPED FOR.WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE

REALITIES WITH THE PRESENT ANDTHE FUTURE.

>> Jon: RIGHT.>> AND AT PRESENT, WE NEED THE

U.S. TO ACT AND ACT NOW.

>> Jon: WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE USTO DO?

AND KEEP IN MIND WE DON'T WANTTO DO ANYTHING. SO WHAT?

YOU KNOW, THE U.S. IS, WE'RE SOTIRED.

I THINK PART OF IT IS WE FELTLIKE THIS WAS NOT... IT REALLY

IS A CONUNDRUM OF WEREALLY FEEL LIKE WE SHOULDN'T

HAVE DONE IT TO THE COUNTRY, TOIRAQ IN THE FIRST PLACE, BUT WE

DO STILL HAVE A MORAL OBLIGATIONTO YOU, WHICH IS CORRECT.

YOU CAN'T JUST GO IN THERE ANDDO WHAT WE DID AND NOT FOLLOW UP

WITH SUPPORT.

BUT WHEN WILL THIS WORLD DEALWITH THE EXTREMIST PROBLEM?

BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE THAT'S THEACTUAL PROBLEM.

>> WE NEED THE HOLISTICSOLUTION, ESPECIALLY IDEOLOGY.

WE NEED TO FIGHT THESE PEOPLEWITH IDEOLOGY.

MILITARY SOLUTIONS ISIMPORTANT.

ECONOMIC SOLUTIONS, SOCIALPROBLEMS ARE IMPORTANT.

BUT IDEOLOGY.

WE NEED TO TELL YOUNG PEOPLETHAT IT'S FORBIDDEN ACCORDING TO

THE KORAN, TO ISLAM, ALLRELIGIONS...

>> Jon: OK, SO WHO ARE THESCHOLARS, WHO ARE THE RELIGIOUS

ESTABLISHMENT WHO COULD DO THAT?

>> WELL, RELIGIOUS ESTABLISHMENTIN IRAQ AND THE REGION, MUSLIM,

CHRISTIAN, EVERYBODY.THEY SHOULD GATHER TO SAY WHAT'S

HAPPENING IS NOT ALLOWED IN ANYRELIGION.

>> Jon: SO WHY IS THIS NOTHAPPENING?

WHY AREN'T THE SAUDIS DOINGTHAT?

THE FEELING IS THERE ISSOMETHING ELSE GOING ON

UNDERNEATH, WHICH IS A POWERSTRUGGLE BETWEEN SAUDI ARABIA

AND IRAN.

THE REASON WE FEEL LIKE THEYDON'T ALL GET TOGETHER IS THEY

DON'T WANT TO.

THAT SOMEHOW THIS CHAOS ISHELPING SOMEBODY.

AND WE JUST WANT TO KNOW,

WHO IS IT HELPING?

WHO IS SOWING THE SEEDS OF IT,AND WHY ARE THEY NOT, YOU KNOW,

WHY ARE THEY NOT STOPPING IT?>> JON, I WAS WATCHING A

PROGRAM ON ANOTHER BIG CHANNELIN NEW YORK.

>> Jon: ARE YOU GOING TO SAYIT'S "THE TONIGHT SHOW," BECAUSE

THAT'S GOING TO HURT MYFEELINGS. BECAUSE THAT...

>> NO, A MUSLIM RELIGIOUSSCHOLAR ASKED, WHO ARE INFADELS.

AND THE ANSWER, THIS WAS ON THEINTERNET.

I'M NOT GOING TO NAME HIMOR THE CHANNEL.

>> Jon: SURE, SURE, SURE.

>> HE SAID NATURAL INFIDELS ARETHE JEWS AND THE CHRISTIANS.

>> Jon: WELL, I SAW THAT COMING.

>> AND NATURAL INFIDELS AREMUSLIMS WHO RETREAT FROM ISLAM.

WHICH MEANS, HE JUSTIFIED TOKILL ALMOST EVERYBODY. IF WE CAN

WATCH SUCH A PROGRAM THROUGHSATELLITE TVS, YOUNG PEOPLE WILL

BE EASILY RECRUITED BY SAYINGWE'RE GOING TO HAVE JIHAD.

SOME RELIGIOUS SCHOLARS THEY SAYTHAT IT'S LEGITIMATE JIHAD IN

IRAQ OR IN THIS PLACE OR THAT.

THAT HAS TO STOP. WE HAVE TODRY THE SOURCES FOR TERRORISM,

WHICH IS THE MONEY, THERELIGIOUS DECREES, THE

FATWAS...>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> AND, YOU KNOW, SOMEHELP AND SUPPORT.

BUT WE HAVE TO WORK OUT HOWWE DRY THE SOURCES FOR EXTREMISM

AND TERRORISM AND, AS I SAID,THE IDEOLOGY WAR.

I'M WRITING A BOOK CALLED THEFOURTH GENERATION OF TERRORISM.

I BELIEVE THE FIRST GENERATIONWAS IN AFGHANISTAN.

THE SECOND WAS IN IRAQ.

THE THIRD IN LIBYA WHEN THEYKILLED AND 9/11 2012, AN

AMBASSADOR PLUS THREE AMERICANS,NOW WHAT'S COMING, ISIS, IRAQ

AND SYRIA IS THE FOURTHGENERATION OF TERRORISTS.

>> BUT THEY ARE... THEIR GOAL ISTO GATHER TOGETHER... WILL ISIS

COOPERATE WITH TALIBAN OR WILLTHEY ALSO FIGHT WITH EACH OTHER?

IS THIS JUST, IS THIS THE CHAOSTHAT BECOMES LIKE ARTHRITIS,

JUST A CONDITION THAT WE ALLHAVE TO LIVE WITH AND WE CAN'T?

>> THE DREAM AND THE OBJECTIVEOF THIS GROUP TO HAVE

A GLOBAL ORGANIZATION INSPIREINDIVIDUALS.

THIS IS THE PROBLEM.

>> Jon: BUT ISN'T THAT, CAN'T

ISN'T THAT THE U.N.?I MEAN, WASN'T THE WHOLE PURPOSE

OF THE U.N. IS THAT ALL THECOUNTRIES WOULD GET TOGETHER,

AND WHEN SOMETHING METASTASIZES

IN THE WORLD THAT THREATENS ITSSTABILITY, THE U.N. WILL STAND

UP OR NATO WILL GET TOGETHERWITH OTHER FORCES AND DEAL WITH

IT INTERNATIONALLY AS A WORLD,NOT AS A SUPERPOWER THAT IS

CALLED UPON TO POLICE ALL THESEDIFFERENT ISSUES.

>> THE U.N., DOES...

[APPLAUSE]>> Jon: YEAH, JUST CURIOUS.

>> THE U.N. DOES.

THEY DISCUSS TERRORISM BUT THEYDON'T HAVE FORCES. THE FORCES

EITHER COME FROM THE U.S. ORFROM THE NATO, THE REAL FORCES.

TECHNOLOGY, SURVEILLANCE AREIMPORTANT.

I THINK ONLY THE UNITED STATESAND NATO COULD DO THAT, YOU

KNOW?

WITH THE HELP OF THE REGION, YOUKNOW.

>> IT JUST SEEMS TOO EASY.

IT FEELS LIKE EVERY TIME IT...

IT FEELS LIKE AN ABDICATION OFRESPONSIBILITY TO ALWAYS SUGGEST

THAT SAUDI ARABIA IS VERYSTRONG.

THEY HAVE A TON OF MONEY, A TONOF WEAPONS.

WE KNOW.

WE SOLD IT TO THEM. [LAUGHTER]

YOU KNOW, IRAN IS INCREDIBLYPOWERFUL.

AL-QUAEDS, THEIR OTHER MILITARYFORCES ARE INCREDIBLY POWERFUL.

IF THEY WANTED TO STOP THIS,THEY COULD.

>> I THINK THE AMERICANS COULDHELP STOP THIS.

DEFINITELY THEY CAN.

AND THEY HAVE TO.

THERE IS NO OTHER WAY BUT TOSPEAK TO THESE COUNTRIES AND

OTHER COUNTRIES TO SAY, PEACE ISA WIN-WIN SITUATION AND THE WAR

IS A LOSE-LOSE SITUATION.

>> Jon: ALL RIGHT.

WELL, WE'LL DO... LET'S HOPETHAT THAT ACTUALLY WILL HAVE

SOME EFFECT.

BUT, I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE YOUCOMING HERE, AND I TRULY HOPE

THAT THINGS BECOME BETTER FORTHE PEOPLE OF YOUR COUNTRY

BECAUSE BOY HAVE THAT SUFFEREDJUST GREATLY.

AND I, JUST A TERRIBLESITUATION.

HAMID AL-BAYATI, THANK YOU SOMUCH.