March 4, 2014 - Jaron Lanier

  • 03/04/2014

Stephen gives a primer on Crimea, Republicans blame Obama for the Ukraine crisis, Steve King defends Arizona's anti-gay bill, and Jaron Lanier talks "Who Owns the Future?"

>> Stephen: TONIGHT, UKRAINEIS ON THE BRINK OF DISASTER, SO

THINGS ARE IMPROVING.

AND NEW CONTROVERSY OVER GAYMARRIAGE.

I THINK JONATHAN IS TOTALLYSETTLING FOR DAVID.

AND MY GUEST JARON LANIER HAS ANEW BOOK CALLED "WHO OWNS THE

FUTURE?" I KNOW ONE THING-- IT'SNOT PEOPLE WHO WRITE BOOKS.

SINGAPORE IS NOW THE WORLD'SMOST EXPENSIVE PLACE TO LIVE.

FOR THE WORLD'S CHEAPEST PLACE,CHECK YOUR CLOTHING LABEL.

THIS IS THE "COLBERT REPORT.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )>> Stephen: WELCOME TO THE

REPORT.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

>> STEPHEN!

STEPHEN!

STEPHEN!

STEPHEN!

STEPHEN!

STEPHEN!

STEPHEN!

STEPHEN!

STEPHEN!

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FOLKS, WELCOME TO THE SHOW.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

IF YOU WATCH THIS SHOW, I GOTSOME NEWS FOR YOU.

PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA IS AFAILED LEADER.

DON'T WORRY-- THIS ISN'T A RERUNOR A FUTURE EPISODE.

IT'S TONIGHT.

LAST WEEK OBAMA ANNOUNCED THEPLANNED WITHDRAWAL OF AMERICAN

FORCES FROM AFGHANISTAN BY 2015.

WITH A STROKE OF HIS PEN, THEREGOES AMERICA'S STRATEGIC RESERVE

OF RUBBLE.

NOW I FEEL LIKE I'VE WASTED 12YEARS MEMORIZING ALL THOSE

TRICKY MUSLIM NAMES--KARZAI.

HAQQANI.

BEYONCE.

I MEAN, I WAS ALMOST READY FORTHAT JELLY.

THERE IS A NEW FOREIGN POLICYCRISIS FOR OBAMA TO SHRANK.

>> UKRAINE UNRAVELING.

>> UKRAINE OFFICIALS SAY THEY'REON THE BRINK OF WAR WITH RUSSIA.

THOUSAND OF RUSSIAN TROOPS HAVEOUSTED UKRAINIAN FORCES AND

TAKEN COMPLETE CONTROL OF KEYSTRATEGIC CRIMEAN PENINSULA.

CRIMEAN CRISIS HAS DEEPENEDOVERNIGHT.

>> Stephen: YES, A CRISIS INCRIMEA.

NOW, LIKE AMERICANS, UNTILRECENTLY, I THOUGHT CRIMEA WAS A

DELIGHTFUL TYLER PERRYCHARACTER.

TURNS OUT IT'S THE MOSTIMPORTANT PLACE YOU DON'T KNOW

JACK ABOUT.

WELL, STRAP IN, BECAUSESTEPHEN COLBERT'S ABOUT TO

GET YOU JACKED.

IN PART ONE OF MY INFINITE-PARTSERIES "BETTER KNOW A

"GEOPOLITICALFLASHPOINT." TONIGHT, THE

CRIMEAN PENINSULA, THE FIGHTIN'ALMOST AN ISLAND.

PROTRUDING SOUTHWARD INTO THEBLACK SEA CARTOGRAPHERS REFER TO

COUNTRY MAY AS "THE UKRAINE'SBALL SACK."

OVER THE MILLENNIA, COUNTRYMAY'S BEEN OCCUPIED BY GREEKS,

ROMANS, MONGOLS, OTTOMANS,BYZANTINES, AND EVEN THE GOTHS,

WHO INVADED JUST TO PISS OFFTHEIR PARENTS.

IN 1441, THE PENINSULA BECAME ANINDEPENDENT MUSLIM STATE CALLED

THE CRIMEAN KHANATE, RUN BY ATURKIC PEOPLE CALLED TATARS, AND

THEIR CHILDREN THE TARTAR TOTS.

( LAUGHTER )( APPLAUSE )

IN 1774, RUSSIA CONQUEREDCRIMEA

IN 1853, THE HORRIBLE CASUALTIESOF THE FIRST CRIMEAN WAR

INSPIRED ALFRED LORD TENNYSON'SCLASSIC POEM, "THE CHARGE OF THE

LIGHT BRIGADE," WITH THE FAMOUSLINES, "THEIRS NOT TO MAKE

REPLY, THEIRS NOT TO REASON WHY,THEIRS BUT TO DO AND DIE, HAPPY

VALENTINE'S DAY TO A SPECIALNEPHEW."

( LAUGHTER )( APPLAUSE )

NOW, RUSSIA-- BIG TENNYSON FANSHERE TONIGHT.

RUSSIA KEPT POSSESSION OF CRIMEAUNTIL 1954, WHEN

NIKITA KHRUSHCHEV REGIFTEDCOUNTRY MAY TO UKRAINE, AFTER A

HIGH-LEVEL SUMMIT BETWEEN HISLIVER AND A BOTTLE OF STOLI.

AT THE TIME OF THE USSR'SCOLLAPSE THE UKRAINE HAD THE

THIRD LARGESTNUCLEAR STOCKPILE IN THE WORLD,

BUT SURRENDERED IT IN ADIPLOMATIC AGREEMENT CALLED THE

"BUDAPEST MEMORANDUM," LATERADAPTED INTO A WHIMSICAL FILM BY

WES ANDERSON.

( LAUGHTER )IN THE AGREEMENT, UKRAINE GAVE

UP ITS NUKES, AND IN EXCHANGE,RUSSIA PROMISED NEVER TO USE

"THREATS OR USE OF FORCE AGAINSTTHE TERRITORIAL INTEGRITY OR

POLITICAL INDEPENDENCE OFUKRAINE."

TRAGICALLY IT APPEARS UKRAINIANDIPLOMATS FORGOT TO CALL "NOBACKSIES"

SO WHAT DOES RUSSIA'S LATESTCRIMEAN CRIME CRI-MEAN?

IT MEANS I GET TO RUN ONE OF MYFAVORITE GRAPHICS.

THIS IS COLD WAR UPDATE.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )>> NATION IF YOU WATCH THIS

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )>> NATION IF YOU WATCH THIS

SHOW, YOU KNOW I NEVER THOUGHTTHE COLD WAR ENDED.

IT'S WHY I STILL WEAR A SHOEPHONE AND A SHOE ANSWERING

MACHINE.

HELLO?

WHAT?

I CAN'T TALK RIGHT NOW.

JUST LEAVE A MESSAGE WITH MYOTHER FOOT.

FOLKS, THAT IS WHY YOU DO HOTYOGA.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ).

BUT FOLKS I'M WORRIEDTHAT OBAMA MAY BE IN WAY OVER

HIS HEAD HERE.

ON THE OTHER HAND, I'M EXCITEDTHAT OBAMA MAY BE IN WAY OVER

HIS HEAD HERE.

JIM?

>> THIS IS THE ULTIMATE RESULTOF A FECKLESS FOREIGN POLICY

WHERE NOBODY BELIEVES INAMERICA'S STRENGTH ANYMORE.

>> THERE'S NO QUESTION THERE'SA PERCEPTION OF AMERICAN

INDECISIVENESS AND WEAKNESS.

>> WE LOOK LIKE AN IMPOTENTVACILLATING COUNTRY.

>> EVERY TIME THE PRESIDENT GOESON NATIONAL TELEVISION AND

THREATENS PUTIN OR ANYONE LIKEPUTIN, EVERYBODY'S EYES ROLL,

INCLUDING MINE.

WE HAVE A WEAK AND INDECISIVEPRESIDENT THAT INVITES

AGGRESSION.

>> THAT OLD LADY IS RIGHT.

( LAUGHTER )OBAMA-- OBAMA NEEDS TO

IMMEDIATELY DO SOMETHING MANLY.

MAYBE A ONE-ARMED PUSH-UP ORCARVE A CANOE OR INVADE A

FOREIGN COUNTRY.

HOW ABOUT IRAQ?

THIRD TIME'S A CHARM!

( APPLAUSE )BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THE PRESIDENT

OF THE UNITED STATES IS GETTINGOUTPLAYED.

LOOK AT WHAT HE WORE SATURDAYDURING A TENSE 90-MINUTE PHONE

CALL WITH VLADIMIR PUTIN.

NO TIE.

JEANS WITH A JEANS SHIRT.

WHAT IS THIS CASUAL DOOMSDAY?

MEANWHILE ON THE OTHER END YOUKNOW PUTIN SHIRTLESS STROKING A

TIGER LOOKING INTO HIS INFINITYMIRROR.

( LAUGHTER )( APPLAUSE )

SO I SAY THE DISASTER, INSTEADOF PUTTING BOOTS ON THE GROUND

AND STARTING WORLD WAR III--LIKE WE ALL WANT-- BIG CHIEF

"LEADS FROM THE BEHIND" DOESWHAT HE ALWAYS DOES AND JUST

SENDS IN A DRONE.

>> I COME HERE TODAY AT THEINSTRUCTION OF PRESIDENT OBAMA

TO MAKE IT ABSOLUTELY CLEAR THEUNITED STATES OF AMERICA WOULD

PREFER TO SEE THIS DE-ESCALATED.

WE WOULD PREFER TO SEE THISMANAGED THROUGH THE STRUCTURES

OF LEGAL INSTITUTIONS.

>> Stephen: TAKE THAT, PUTIN!

"PREFER."

THEM'S FIGHTING WORDS.

REMINDS ME OF REAGAN AT THEBRANDENBERG GATE.

>> MR. GORBACHEV, WE PREFER YOUNOT HAVE A WALL.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )>> Stephen: I MISS THAT GOOD

MAN.

SO WHAT WILL THE PRESIDENT DO?

FOR THE ANSWER, LET'S GOSTRAIGHT TO THE LEADER OF THE

FREE WORLD.

>> NUMBER ONE, THERE WILL BE NOMILITARY BUDGET CUTS, OBAMA HAS

TO KNOW THAT NOW.

NUMBER TWO, THE KEYSTONEPIPELINE MUST BE APPROVED.

WHY?

BECAUSE RUSSIA IS BLACKMAILINGEUROPE OVER ENERGY.

>> Stephen: BILL IS RIGHT,MILITARY FUNDING AND KEYSTONE.

OBAMA NEEDS TO PROVE HE'S ASTRONG LEADER BY GIVING

REPUBLICANS EVERYTHING THEY'VEASKED FOR.

( LAUGHTER )PLUS RUSSIA'S ANTIGAY LAWS COULD

DRIVE THEIR HOMOSEXUALS OVERHERE, SO TO KEEP THEM OUT WE

NEED A BORDER WALL WITH MEXICOBEFORE THE GAYS INVADE VIA

CANCUN, BECAUSE YOU KNOW THEY'REA BEACH PEOPLE.

( LAUGHTER )( APPLAUSE )

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, BILLO'REILLY AND I ARE NOT THE ONLY

ONES QUESTIONING OBAMA'SLEADERSHIP.

SO ARE YOU.

>> WITH THE U.S. FACING VOLATILEFOREIGN POLICY SITUATIONS IN

UKRAINE, BRAND NEW GALLUP POLLIS RAISING SERIOUS CONCERNS

ABOUT PRESIDENT OBAMA'S STANDINGON THE WORLD STAGE.

ACCORDING TO GALLUP, FOR THEFIRST TIME EVER, A MAJORITY OF

AMERICANS SAY PRESIDENT OBAMA ISNOT RESPECTED BY OTHER WORLD

LEADERS.

>> Stephen: EVEN WORSE AMAJORITY OF AMERICANS FELT THE

"THE BACHELOR" WOULDN'T GIVEPRESIDENT OBAMA A ROSE, EVEN IF

IT WAS JUST DOWN TO HIM AND THATBITCH, NIKKI.

FOLKS, THIS POLLHAS SO ALARMED ME THAT I AM

CONDUCTING BY OWN POLL SO I CANBECOME MORE ALARMED.

GO TO COLBERTNATION.COM AND LETYOUR CLICK BE HEARD.

ANSWER THE QUESTION, "WHAT DOYOU THINK ABOUT WHAT AMERICANS

THINK WORLD LEADERS THINK ABOUTPRESIDENT OBAMA?"

SIMPLY CHECK, "YES, NO, ORVEGETARIAN OPTION."

WE'LL HAVE THE RESULTS OF THATPOLL LATER IN YOUR LIFETIME.

WELCOME BACK EVERYBODY.

THANKS SO MUCH.

NATION, IT IS NO SECRET THAT THEAMERICAN PEOPLE TUNE IN TO THE

REPORT EVERY NIGHT TO KNOW HOWTO FEEL ABOUT AMERICA.

WELL, TONIGHT, PREHEAT YOURSELFTO OUTRAGED-- ALTHOUGH, IF

YOU'RE LIKE ME YOU ONLY HAVETHREE SETTINGS: ANGRY,

OUTRAGED, AND POPCORN.

( LAUGHTER )( APPLAUSE )

FOLKS, I AM STILL STINGING FROMLAST WEEK'S RELIGIOUS LIBERTY

CURB-STOMP BY ARIZONA GOVERNORAND LAST PERSON TO SEE HANSEL

AND GRETEL ALIVE, JAN BREWER.

( LAUGHTER )( APPLAUSE )

GOVERNOR BREWER VETOED SB-1062,WHICH WOULD HAVE ALLOWED

BUSINESS OWNERS TO FREELYPRACTICE THEIR DEEPLY HELD

RELIGIOUS BELIEF OF NOT SELLINGPASTRY TO GAY PEOPLE.

( LAUGHTER )BECAUSE GOD IS MY CAKE BOSS.

BUT, OF COURSE, THE GAY-STREAMMEDIA TWISTED THE BILL INTO

SOMETHING UGLY.

>> I'M A RELIGIOUS PERSON.

THIS IS NOT RELIGIOUS FREEDOM.

IT'S JUST PLAIN BIGOTRY.

>> THIS IS A BIGOTRY BILL MASKEDUNDER RELIGIOUS FREEDOM.

>> THEY'RE QUOTING BIGOTRY, PERSE, IN THE NAME OF GOD.

IT'S JIM CROWE BACK FROM THEDEAD.

>> IT'S ACTUALLY A VERY SIMILARARGUMENT THAT WAS RAISED AGAINST

THE CIVIL RIGHTS LAWS OF THEMID-60s.

>> Reporter:>> Stephen: THIS IS NOTHING

LIKE THE CIVIL RIGHTS STRUGGLESOF THE 1960s.

FOR STARTERS, WHEN GAY MARCHERSGET HIT WITH A FIREHOSE, THEY

LOVE IT!

( LAUGHTER )( APPLAUSE )

THAT'S AN ACTUAL PHOTO, WHICHMEANS I'M NOT A BAD PERSON.

THE POINT IS GAY MARRIAGE IS NOTA CIVIL RIGHTS ISSUE.

JUST ASK IOWA REPUBLICAN ANDVOLUNTEER THE HYPNOTISTS FORGOT

TO WAKE UP, STEVE KING.

JIM?

>> IT'S CLEAR IN THE CIVILRIGHTS SECTION OF THE CODE

THAT-- THAT YOU CAN'TDISCRIMINATE AGAINST PEOPLE

BASED UPON-- I'M NOT SURE I'VEGOT THE LIST RIGHT-- RACE,

CREED, RELIGION, COLOR OF SKIN,THOSE KIND OF THINGS.

AND THERE'S NOTHING MENTIONED INTHERE ON SELF-PROFESSED

BEHAVIOR, AND THAT'S WHATTHEY'RE TRYING TO PERFECT IS

SPECIAL RIGHTS FORSELF-PROFESSED BEHAVIOR.

>> Stephen: YES,SELF-PROFESSED BEHAVIOR.

UNLIKE RACE, YOU CAN'T TELLSOMEBODY'S GAY JUST BY LOOKING

AT THEM. AS FAR ASI KNOW, JOHNNY WEIR IS A

PERFECTLY STRAIGHT WOOD NYMPH.

YOU MIGHT BE ASKING WHAT EXACTLYDOES "SELF-PROFESSED" MEAN?

>> THE THING I REFERENCE WHEN ISAY SELF-PROFESSED.

WHO DO YOU DISCRIMINATE AGAINST?

ARE THEY SETTING UP A CASE?

IS THIS ABOUT BRINGING AGRIEVANCE OR A SERVICE THEY'D

LIKE TO HAVE.

>> Stephen: STEVE KING ISRIGHT.

THESE SELF-PROFESSED GAYS JUSTWANT YOU TO REFUSE THEM SERVICE

SO THEY CAN SUE YOU.

WE'VE SEEN IT A MILLION TIMESA GUY PRETENDS TO BE GAY,

PRETEND TO HIDE IT TIL HE'S 18,THEN HE PRENTENDS TO COME OUT

TO HIS FAMILY WHO PRETEND NOTTO KNOW AND PRETEND TO SHUN HIM.

HE MOVES TO THE CITY A FEW YEARSLATER, HE MEETS ANOTHER GUY WHO

PRENTENDS TO BE GAY, THEYPRETEND TO FALL IN LOVE AND

HE PRETENDS TOPROPOSE AND THEY GET FAKE

ENGAGED.

THE MAN REACHED OUT TO HISFAMILY, AND THEY PRETEND TO GROW

A LOT BECAUSE THEY'VE BEENWATCHING A LOT OF "MODERN

FAMILY."

THEY DON'T PRETEND TO PRETEND TOUNDERSTAND HIS LIFE, BUT THEY

CAN SEE HOW HAPPY HE PRETENDSTO BE, AND THEY GIVE THEIR

PRETEND BLESSING.

THE PRETEND COUPLE ENTERS AFLOWER SHOP. ONE

PRETENDS TO WANT ORCHIDS. THEOTHER PRETENDS TO WANT

HYDRANGEA. BUT ONCE THEY'REIN THE STORE THEY PRETEND

TO LOVE THE DELICATE VIBRANCE OFPERUVIAN LILYS.

THEY APPROACH THE OWNER WHOSAYS, "I CAN'T SELL TO YOU.

I'M A CHRISTIAN."

AND BOOM, THEY SUE HIM, RUN OFFTO VEGAS, AND PRETEND TO HAVE

SEX WITH A LADY HOOKER AS GODPRETENDED.

GOTCHA!

EXWOCHA!

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )YEAH, LIKE THAT, LIKE THAT, LIKE

THAT.

AND AS STEVE KING KNOWS, EVENIF GAYS DO EXIST, IT'S NEARLY

IMPOSSIBLE TO PROVE IT.

>> IF IT'S NOT SPECIFICALLYPROTECTED IN THE CONSTITUTION,

THEN IT'S-- IT GOT TO BE ANIMMUTABLE CHARACTERISTIC, THAT

BEING A CHARACTERISTIC THAT CANBE INDEPENDENTLY VERIFIED AND

CAN'T BE WILLFULLY CHANGED.

YES, THE ONLY WAY FOR GAYS TO BEPROTECTED IS TO HAVE THEIR

GAYNESS INDEPENDENTLY VERIFIED.

I THINK WHAT STEVE KING ISSAYING, GAYS, IS HE WANTS YOU TO

SEND PHOTOS AND/OR VIDEOSPROVING TO STEVE KING THAT YOU

ARE GAY.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ).

AGAIN, THAT'S STEVE KING,2210 RAYBURN OFFICE BUILDING,

WASHINGTON, D.C., 20515.

BE SURE TO LABEL YOUR ENVELOPE"CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTION."

SO YOU KNOW THAT HE'LL READ IT.

WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ).

>> Stephen: WELCOME BACK,EVERYBODY.

MY GUEST TONIGHT IS A SCIENTISTAND MUSICIAN BEST KNOWN FOR

COINING THE TERM VIRTUALREALITY.

PLEASE WELCOME JARON LANIER.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )JARON, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR

JOINING ME.

GOOD TO SEE YOU.

THANKS FOR BEING HERE.

>> THANKS FOR HAVING ME.

>> Stephen: SIR, YOU'RE ACOMPUTER SCIENTIST, YOU'RE A

COMPOSER, A VIRTUALARTIST AND AUTHOR.

BEST KNOWN AS THE FATHER OFVIRTUAL REALITY.

YOU WORKED AT ATARI, WHERE YOUWERE THE LEAD SCIENTIST OF THE

NATIONAL TELEEMERGENCEINITIATIVE, ENCYCLOPEDIA

BRITANNIA INCLUDES YOU IN THEIRLIST OF THE 300 GREATEST

INVENTORS, AND YOUR BOOK ISCALLED "WHO OWNS THE FUTURE?"

>> ALL OF THAT IS TRUE.

>> Stephen: OKAY.

>> YES.

>> Stephen: IS IT TRUE--OKAY--

>> IS IT GOING TO GO DOWNHILLFROM HERE?

>> Stephen: YEAH.

WHO DOES-- WHO DOES OWN THEFUTURE?

>> WELL, RIGHT NOW, THOSE WHOOWN THE FUTURE ARE THE ONES WITH

THE VERY BIGGEST, MOST EFFECTIVECOMPUTERS THAT CAN GATHER

DATA, ANALYZE ITBETTER THAN ANYBODY ELSE, AND

USE IT TO CALCULATE LITTLE, TINYADVANTAGES, LIKE SLIGHTLY MORE

MANIPULATIVE LOANS OR SLIGHTLYMORE TRICKY HEALTH INSURANCE

POLICIES.

AND OVER TIME, THESE TINYADVANTAGES ACCUMULATE, AND THEN

YOU GET THIS INCREDIBLE WEALTHPOWER CONCENTRATION, WHICH IS

THE CHARACTERISTIC OF OUR TIME.

>> Stephen: AND YOU THINKTHAT'S A BAD THING?

>> YOU KNOW, I-- I BENEFITTED.

I'VE DONE GREAT -->> Stephen: AND YOU HELPED

CREATE THIS PROBLEM.

>> TOTALLY, I DID.

>> Stephen: YOU'RE FRANKENSTEIN.

YOU CAME TO WARN US ABOUT YOURMONSTER.

>> THAT'S NOT A BAD METAPHOR.

I'LL TAKE IT.

>> Stephen: OF COURSE IT'S NOT,I DID IT.

YOU HAVE TO BE CAREFUL.

THE MONSTER MIGHT TURN ON YOUAND TEAR YOU LIMB FROM LIMB.

>> I HAVE A DAUGHTER NOW ANDLOOK AT THE WORLD AND I THINK DO

I WANT HER TO BE IN THISPRIVILEGED RICH FAMILY WITH THE

WORLD FALLING APART ANDEVERYBODY LIVING IN INSECURITY

OR IN A SLIGHTLY LESS PRIVILEGEDFAMILY --

>> Stephen: WHAT'S UNHEALTHYABOUT THIS WORLD?

WHAT'S THE SIGN OF THE DISEASETHERE JARON?

>> REAL WEALTH IS WHEN YOUR--YOUR WEALTH IS DEPENDENT ON

EVERYBODY ELSE'S WEALTH.

REAL WEALTH IS COMMUNITYWEALTH.

IF IT'S JUST A CONCENTRATION,THAT'S FAKE WEALTH.

IT FALLS APART.

>> Stephen: WHAT ARE YOUTALKING ABOUT?

I'M AT THE TOP OF THIS PYRAMIDRIGHT NOW.

I'M AT THE TOP OF THE PYRAMID,ANOTHER RIGHT NOW?

>> IN MY CIRCLES YOU'RE NOT.

I'M SORRY, IT'S TRUE.

>> Stephen: YOU DON'T KNOW,YOU DON'T KNOW.

( LAUGHTER )( APPLAUSE )

YOU DON'T KNOW.

MAYBE I HAVE A SECRET CRIMINALENTERPRISE.

>> I'M WEARING THESE SPECIALGLASSES THAT TELL ME MORE THAN

YOU THINK.

>> Stephen: WOW.

HOLD ON.

HOLD ON.

I GOT ONE, TOO.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )SO-- BUT, OKAY, THE-- YOU KNOW,

THE MONSTER IS ON THE LOOSE.

YOU CAN'T PUT THE JEANIE BACK INTHE BOTTLE.

>> YOU KNOW, I THINK WE CANWE MADE UP THIS WHOLE INTERNET

THING, AND THIS PARTICULAR IDEAABOUT HOW TO DO OPEN CULTURE ON

IT AND OPEN ECONOMIES VERYRECENTLY.

SO THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO TRYTO DO THIS BETTER.

I'M NOT SAYING I KNOW THEPERFECT ANSWER FOR IT, BUT I

THINK WE HAVE TO GIVE A SHOT.

WE HAVE TO TRY TO IMPROVE THISBECAUSE WHAT WE'RE DOING IS NOT

CREATING A SUSTAINABLE DIGITALECONOMY.

YOU HAVE TO DO THAT.

>> Stephen: YOU SAY OURMIDDLE CLASS IS DISAPPEARING,

OKAY, RIGHT?

>> YES.

>> Stephen: THE MIDDLE CLASSIS DISAPPEARING AND THE INTERNET

HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH THAT ORYOUR WHOLE DREAM OF A DIGITAL

FUTURE HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITHTHE--

>> YEAH, I THINK IT REALLY DOES.

>> Stephen: CAN'T WE JUSTBUILD A VIRTUAL REALITY WHERE

THE MIDDLE CLASS STILL EXISTS?

PUT ON THOSE OCULAR HELMETS ANDGO, LOOK, LOOK, A TWO-CAR

GARAGE?

>> I GUESS IF EVERYBODY WILL BUYIT, I GUESS THAT'S FINE WITH ME.

BUT I DON'T THINK THEY SHOULD.

I THINK PEOPLE SHOULD DEMANDMORE. WE'VE TALKED OURSELVES

INTO THIS DOUBLE ECONOMY.

WHERE IF IT'S STUFF, WE BELIEVEIN MARKETS.

IF IT'S ABOUT INFORMATION, IFIT'S ABOUT CREATIVITY--

COMEDIANS, JOURNALISTS, THINGSLIKE THAT-- THEN WE THINK IT

SHOULD BE SHARED AND SHOULD BEOPEN.

WHEN YOU BREAK THE ECONOMY INHALF LIKE THAT, EVEN THOUGH

SHARING IS LOVELY, YOUGRADUALLY PUT ALL THE

INFORMATION, WORKERS, INTO THISINFORMAL ECONOMY, A SLUM ECONOMY

OF REPUTATION, BARTER-- WHICH ISBEAUTIFUL IN ITS OWN WAY --

>> Stephen: YOU'RE SAYINGWE'RE ALL-- WE'RE ALL-- WE'RE

ALL SORT OF THE PRODUCT NOWBECAUSE AS WE PUT OUR

INFORMATION INTO THE INTERNETAND WE BECOME OUR-- OUR

INFORMATION BECOMES A COMMODITY,WE SHOULD GET PAID A LITTLE

SOMETHING FOR ALL THATINFORMATION AND THAT VALUE WE'RE

PROVIDING THESE INTERNETPROVIDERS?

>> HOW ABOUT A CONCRETE EXAMPLE?

>> Stephen: SURE.

>> LANGUAGE TRANSLATORS.

SOMEBODY TAKES THIS AND SAYS I'MGOING TO MAKE THE SPANISH

VERSION OF IT.

THOSE PEOPLE ARE SUFFERING NOW.

THEY'RE MAKING LESS MONEY THANTHEY USED TO.

BUT THE ALGORITHMS THATTRANSLATE AUTOMATICALLY THAT

TAKE AWAY A LOT OF THEIR WORK,THOSE ALGORITHMS DEPEND ON THE

SAME PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY'RECONSTANTLY CREATING THE PHRASE

EXAMPLES THAT MASH UP TO CREATETHE AUTOMATIC TRANSLATION.

THE THING IS THE PEOPLE ARESTILL NEEDED --

>> Stephen: EVENTUALLY WE'LLGET THE TRANSLATION PERFECT.

>> NO, WE WON'T.

BECAUSE LANGUAGE ISN'T FIXED.

IT KEEPS ON MOVING.

>> Stephen: IT WON'T KEEPMOVING IF ONLY ROBOTS ARE

SPEAKING IT.

( LAUGHTER )( APPLAUSE )

>> AND-- AND-- ( CHEERS ).

>>>> -- YOU KNOW WHAT?

I CAN'T ARGUE WITH THAT.

YOU SOLVED IT.

YOU SOLVED IT.

>> Stephen: I RECOMMEND YOUDON'T.

JARON, THANK YOU SO MUCH FORJOINING ME.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ).

>> Stephen: I DIDN'T GETALL OF THAT.

BUT JARON LANIER, HIS BOOK IS"WHO OWNS THE FUTURE?."

AND I THINK HE SAID THAT YOU DO.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )>> Stephen: THAT'S IT FOR THE

REPORT, EVERYBODY.

GOOD NIGHT!

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