June 22, 2015 - Confederate Flag Battle in South Carolina

  • 06/22/2015

Larry makes the case for removing the Confederate flag in South Carolina and discusses President Obama's use of a racial slur with Jordan Carlos, Riki Lindhome and Gayle King.

[ APPLAUSE ]>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WELCOME TO THE NIGHTLY SHOW.

I'M LARRY WILMORE.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

FIRST THINGS FIRST, THOUGH.

HEAVY IN OUR HEARTS AND MINDS ARE THE EVENTS OF SOUTH

CAROLINA, BUT THERE WAS HOPEFUL NEWS.

GOV. NIKKI HALEY FINALLY CAME FORWARD AND ADDRESSED THE FACT

THAT THE CONFEDERATE FLAG IS STILL HANGING IN FRONT OF THE

SOUTH CAROLINA STATE CAPITAL.

>> TODAY WE'RE HERE AT A MOMENT OF UNITY IN OUR STATE

WITHOUT ILL WILL TO SAY IT'S TIME TO MOVE THE FLAG FROM THE

CAPITAL GROUNDS.

>> YES.

[>> ABSOLUTELY.

THAT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

GOOD FOR YOU, SOUTH CAROLINA. UPHERE, NIKKI!

BUT SERIOUSLY, I MEAN, WHO COULD HAVE BEEN AGAINST THIS,

RIGHT?

ESPECIALLY IN THE LIGHT OF THE INCIDENT THAT JUST HAPPENED,

AND PARTICULARLY IN 2015.

ANYBODY RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT TRYING TO GET REPUBLICAN

VOTES?

BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT THEY SAID THIS WEEKEND.

>> I STILL FEEL IT'S NOT AN ISSUE FOR A PERSON RUNNING FOR

PRESIDENT.

>> MARCO RUBIO TELLING REPORTERS THE PEOPLE OF SOUTH CAROLINA

WILL MAKE THE DECISION>> THAT'S A DECISION FOR THE

PEOPLE OF SOUTH CAROLINA.

>> THIS IS A DECISION THAT NEEDS TO BE MADE IN SOUTH

CAROLINA.

>> STATES RIGHTS IS A CLASSICPRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE COP OUT.

WHEN YOU ASK ME IF THE SKY IS BLUE, THAT'S A QUESTION BEST

LEFT TO THE STATE.

>> HOW DO I KNOW WHAT YOU WOULD DO WITH THE FLAG?

I'M NOT A FLAG SCIENTIST.

I WANT TO BE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, NOT PRESIDENT

OF FLAGS.

I REJECT YOUR QUESTION.

>> I WANT TO KNOW, ARE YOUTAKING

THIS DOWN TOMORROW.

ARE YOU TAKING IT DOWN TONIGHT?

BECAUSE I CAN COME OVER WITH A FLASHLIGHT.

>> THE U.S. FLAG WAS HALFSTAFF, BUT THE REBEL FLAG

REMAINED HIGH,PADLOCKED AND UNTOUCHABLE

WITHOUT AN OVERRIDE BY 2/3 OFTHE STATE LEGISLATURE.

>> PADLOCKED? WELL, OKAY, NOPROBLEM.

YOU GET THAT TWO THIRDS, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, AND I'LL GET THE

KEY.

I HAVE ONE OF THOSE.

RIGHT HERE.

THIS WILL OPEN ANY PAD LOCK OR NON-PAD LOCK OR MAXIMUM

SECURITY PRISON IN UPSTATE NEW YORK.

OOPS.

PERHAPS I SAID TOO MUCH

ANYHOW, THE POINT IS, YOU'RE TAKING THAT FLAG DOWN, RIGHT?

>> AS GOVERNOR, I HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO CALL THEM BACK

INTO SESSION UNDER EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES.

I'VE INDICATED TO THE HOUSE AND THE SENATE, THAT IF THEY

DO NOT TAKE MEASURES THIS SUMMER, I WILL USE THAT

AUTHORITY FOR THE PURPOSE OF THE LEGISLATURE REMOVING THE

FLAG FROM THE STATEHOUSE GROUNDS:

>> SO YOU WANT THEM TO COME BACK TO DEBATE TAKING IT DOWN,

BUT THERE'S A CHANCE THAT THEY WON'T.

SO YOU SAY HEY, GUYS, YOU BETTER COME BACK AND TALK

ABOUT THIS.

SOUTH CAROLINA -- (BLEEP)I'M JUST GOING TO HAVE TO

RETRACT MY UP HERE.

LET ME GIVE YOU UNSOLICITED ADVICE.

HOW ABOUT JUST TAKE THE DAMN FLAG DOWN RIGHT NOW

[ APPLAUSE ]HEAR ME OUT.

[ APPLAUSE ]AND THEN YOU CAN DEBATE PUTTING

IT BACK UP.

[ APPLAUSE ]HOW ABOUT THAT?

NOW I KNOW AS GOVERNOR, YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW THE RULES, BUT

YOU'RE A SOUTH CAROLINA GOVERNOR.

THERE WERE NO RULES FOR YOU GUYS.

I MEAN THE LAST GOVERNOR TOOK THE APPALACHIA TRAIL TO

ARGENTINA ON A MISSION FOR SECRET POON

WHICH, BY THE WAY IS AGAINST SOUTH CAROLINA LAW.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DEBATE ISABOUT ANYWAY.

IT'S NOT AN OFFICIAL FLAG.

IT'S A RELIC WITH NO PURPOSE ANYMORE.

IT'S DECORATIVE.

YOU DON'T NEED A DECLARATION TO REMOVE A DECORATION.

OKAY.

[LOOK, IT'S TIME FOR A SEGMENT

WE CALL FOR THE RECORD.

FOR THE RECORD, THE CONFEDERATE FLAG SENT A

TRADITIONAL OF HERITAGE.

IT'S INTIMIDATION.

THAT'S NOT MY OPINION.

THAT'S AN OBJECTIVE FACT.

ON MARCH 21st, 1861, THE VICE PRESIDENT OF THE CONFEDERACY,

STATED THAT THE CONFEDERATE GOVERNMENT WAS BASED ON THE

GREAT TRUTH THAT THE NEGRO IS NOT EQUAL TO THE WHITE MAN.

THAT SPEECH IS NOW CALLED THE CORNER STONE SPEECH, BECAUSE

THAT IDEA IS THE CORNER STONE OF THE CONFEDERACY.

YOU DON'T GET CLEARER THAN THAT.

SOME PEOPLE SAY THAT SOUTHERN STATES SHOULD FLY THE

CONFEDERATE FLAG BECAUSE OF HERITAGE, BUT IF WE FLEW EVERY

FLAG FROM THE PAST, WHY NOT FLY THE UNION JACK IN FRONT OF

THE WHITE HOUSE. AND FOR THERECORD, SOUTH CAROLINA,

YOU DON'T GET TO MAKE THEHERITAGE ARGUMENT BECAUSE

THE STARS AND BARS HASN'TBEEN IN PLACE SINCE THE CIVIL

WAR, IT WENT UP IN 1961 TO MARKTHE CENTENNIAL OF THE CIVIL WAR

COINCIDENTALLY WHEN THE BLACK STARTED WANTING CIVIL RIGHTS

1961, IT WAS A REMINDER TOBLACK PEOPLE THAT THEY SHOULD

KNOW THEIR PLACE.

IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN USED AS A SYMBOL OF INTIMIDATION AND

TERROR.

AND IN FACT, THE NEO NAZIS OFTEN ADOPT THE CONFEDERATE

FLAG IN IT'S PLACE.

IT'S SUCH A RACIST SYMBOL THAT IS DOES DOUBLE DUTY AS THE

BACKUP RACIST SYMBOL FOR ANOTHER RACIST SYMBOL.

[ APPLAUSE ]>> IT'S CRAZY.

OKAY.

SO FOR THE RECORD, I GET IT THAT PLENTY OF HONORABLE

PEOPLE HAVE FUZZY FEELINGS ABOUT THE CONFEDERATE FLAG,

BUT THAT'S IRRELEVANT.

THEIR NOSTALGIA WILL NEVER TRUMP THE PEOPLE WHO SEE IT AS

A SYMBOL OF HATE.

AND FOR A STATE TO FLY THIS FLAG, THAT HATE IS THE MESSAGE

THEY SEND TO THEIR PEOPLE.

FOR THE RECORD, DOES THERE REALLY NEED TO BE A DEBATE ON

WHETHER OR NOT TO YOU SHOULD TAKE IT DOWN.

JUST DO IT. SERIOUSLY, TAKE IT DOWN NOW.

WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.

[ APPLAUSE ]WELCOME BACK. I DON'T KNOW IFYOU HEARD,

PRESIDENT OBAMA WENT ON MARC MARON'S PODCAST "WTF"ON FRIDAY AND

SAID THE N WORD.

OH, OH.

IT'S SO CRAZY.

YOU GUYS DON'T BELIEVE ME?

JUST GOOGLE OBAMA AND [N-WORD], AND YOU CAN -- WAIT.

DON'T DO THAT.

HERE, I'LL JUST SHOW YOU THE CLIP.

President Obama: RACISM, WE'RE NOT CURED OF

CLEARLY, AND IT'S NOT JUST A MATTER OF -- IT'S NOT BEING

POLITE TO SAY [N-WORD] INPUBLIC.

THAT'S NOT THE MEASURE OF WHETHER RACISM STILL

EXISTS OR NOT.

>> I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THIS, REALLY.

THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES JUST SAID [N-WORD] TO

BEAUTIFULLY ILLUSTRATE THE POINT THAT IT TAKES MORE

THAN COSMETIC CHANGES TO FIXTHE SYSTEMIC

PROBLEM WE HAVE WITH RACE IN THIS COUNTRY.

IT'S ALL CONTEXT, RIGHT? OBAMADOESN'T USUALLY KEEP IT 100

BUT HE SOMETIMES LEAKS IT AT 100.

SO HOW DID THE MEDIA REACT.

>> PRESIDENT OBAMA WEIGHED IN ON THE ONGOING CONVERSATION ON

RACISM, AND USED A RACIST WORD WHEN HE DID.

WE HAVE A WARNING FOR VIEWERS.

HE USES STRONG LANGUAGE.

SOME MAY BE CONSIDERED OFFENSIVE.

>> I WOULDN'T HAVE USED THE WORD TO MAKE THE POINT HE WAS

TRYING TO MAKE.

>> WHY?

YOU'RE ALLOWED TO USE THE WORD. THANKS TO HR 18852, THE

WE CAN SAY IT ACT OF 1968, BLACKPEOPLE AND ONLY BLACK

PEOPLE CAN SAY THE N-WORD ASMUCH AS WE WANT.

DO YOU HEAR ME TOM HANKS'S CRAZY SON.

ONLY WE CAN SAY IT. ONLY US.

BUT, MY FAVORITE IS HOW THE PRESS CLASSIFIES THE N WORD.

>> HE'S NEVER USED THE HIGHLYCHARGED N-WORD BEFORE.

>> THAT'S AN ELECTRIC WORD.

ELECTRIC?

HIGHLY CHARGED?

WHO DO YOU THINK CAME UP WITH THE N WORD, TESLA?

I KNOW HOW TO CURE THE ENERGY CRISIS.

NOT SOLAR POWER, N POWER.

NOW, OF COURSE, WHENEVER WE HAVE A STORY LIKE THIS, LET'S

ASK THE QUESTION THAT'S INEVITABLE, WHAT WERE THEY

SAYING ON FOX NEWS?

>> HE HAS REALLY DRAGGED THE GUTTER SPEAK OF RAP MUSIC.

AND NOW HE'S THE FIRST PRESIDENT OF RAP OF STREET.

>> YOU THINK RAPPERS STARTED THE N WORD?

REALLY?

YOU HONESTLY THINK OBAMA IS THE FIRST PRESIDENT TO USE THE

N WORD?

OKAY.

I THOUGHT THAT WORD WAS IN THE PRESIDENTIAL LEXICON BEFORE

NWA MADE ACRONYMS DANGEROUS.

YOU THINK THOMAS JEFFERSON WAS I'LL OWN SLAVES BUT I WOULDN'T

DREAM OF USING THE N WORD, I'MNOT A MONSTER

OR IF YOU PREFER, PRESIDENT NIXON.

LET HIM SPEAK FOR HIMSELF.

THANK YOU?

YOU SEE?

INCIDENTALLY THAT, QUOTE COMES FROM AN OVAL OFFICE

CONVERSATION NIXON WAS HAVING WITH DONALD RUMSFELD.

THAT'S FOR REAL.

I'M NOT MAKING THAT UP.

NOW, BY THE WAY, I'M NOT JUST BEATING UP ON THE REPUBLICANS.

IN THE INTEREST OF EQUAL TIME,HERE'S LBJ

>> SO PRESIDENTS USING THE N WORD, KIND OF AN AMERICAN

TRADITION.

HE MIGHT BE THE FIRST PRESIDENT TO EVER SAY THE N-WORD

WITHOUT EXPECTING SOMEONE TO THEN IMMEDIATELY BRING HIM A

LEMONADE.

THAT WOULD BE THE DIFFERENCE.

I GET THAT.

YOU CAN BELIEVE WHAT YOU WANT.

YOU KNOW I'M RIGHT.

ALL RIGHT, FOX.

YOU SHOULDN'T BE TALKING ABOUT THIS.

BUT WHAT ELSE.>> MANY PEOPLE WONDER

IF HE WOULD ONLY DARE TO SAY ITTHERE, AND

PERHAPS NOT IN A STATE OF THE UNION OR IN A PUBLIC ADDRESS.

>> YOU THINK OBAMA IS NOW GOINGTO SAY THE N WORD DURING THE

STATE OF THE UNION?

YOU'D THINK WHEN WE SAY THE N WORD WE CAN'T STOP.

IT'S LIKE WE'VE GOT N-WORDHICCUPS OR SOMETHING.

>> I DON'T UNDERSTAND.

WE JUST CAN'T CONTROL WHAT'S COMING OUT OF OUR MOUTHS?

IS THIS HONESTLY WHAT YOU THINK THE STATE OF THE UNION

WILL SOUND LIKE.

President Obama: WE CAN REDUCE DEPENDENCE ON FOREIGN OIL AND

PROTECT OUR [N-WORD]

MORE OF OUR [N-WORD] ARE GRADUATING THAN EVER BEFORE.

GOD BLESS THESE [N-WORD]

[ APPLAUSE ]

>> PRESIDENT OBAMA IS SO OFFENSIVE.

WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.

>> Larry: WELCOME BACK. I'M HEREWITH MY PANEL, NIGHTLY SHOW

WRITER AND CONTRIBUTER JORDANCARLOS.

STAR AND CO-CREATOR OF COMEDYCENTRAL'S NEW SHOW, ANOTHERPERIOD ACTRESS, RIKI

LINDHOME, AND CBS THIS MORNING'S GAYLE KING.

[ APPLAUSE ]>> SO HAPPY TO HAVE EVERYBODY

HERE.

LET'S JUMP RIGHT IN. PRESIDENTOBAMA WAS ON MARC MARON'S

SHOW AND HE USEDTHE N WORD

DO YOU THINK IT'S OKAY FOR THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES

TO JUST USE THE WORD JUST LIKE THAT?

>> I THINK YOU HAVE TO PUT IT IN CONTEXT, LARRY.

THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SAYING IT AND USING IT.

AND HE WAS SAYING IT.

HE WAS SAYING IT.

SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE CONTEXT IN WHICH HE WAS USING

IT, I THINK IT WAS A LITTLEJARRING, LIKE WHAT DID HE SAY?

WHEN YOU PUT IT IN CONTEXT I GET IT.

I WASN'T OFFENDED.>> TO BE FAIR THEY WERE ASKING

HIM WHAT HIS FAVORITE LIL WAYNELYRIC WAS

>> Larry: RIGHT, YOU DIDN'T HEAR THE SET-UP.

>> THAT'S NOT THE CONTEXT IHEARD.

>> Larry: OF ANY PRESIDENT, I THINK HE SHOULD BE ABLE TO.

HE SHOULD BE THE ONE -- I'M NOT SAYING ANY PRESIDENT COULD

SAY THAT.

[ APPLAUSE ]AND OTHER PRESIDENTS --

CLINTON?

YEAH.

>> WELL, HE WAS FROM ARKANSAS.

>> BUT THE SET-UP OF HOW OTHER PRESIDENTS COULD USE THE WORD.

THERE'S A DIFFERENT CONTEXT.

>> I THINK HE KNOWS THE WORD.

>> I THINK THE CONTEXT WAS HORRIBLE.

THAT'S WHAT THE CONTEXT IS.

>> I THINK THE PRESIDENT -- ONCE HE GETS OFF WORK, HE MUST

FEEL LIKE YABBA DABA DO.

AND N-WORD, N-WORD N-WORD!

>> LARRY, I'M NOT AN EXPERT.

I DON'T WEAR GLASSES, I DO WEAR GLASS, , BUT IT DOESN'T

MEAN I KNOW EVERYTHING.

LIKE THE WEST WING IS CLOSE THE DOOR AND YEAH.

AND HE JUST GOES DOWN.

>> I DON'T KNOW WHY.

>> RIKI AND I DISAGREE WITH YOU.

>> FINE, DISAGREE.

IT'S A FREE COUNTRY.

BUT I KNOW WHAT HAPPENS.

>> LIKE HE'S GOT AN N WORD JAR.

>> OBAMA SAVES IT FOR MARCMARON, THE APPROPRIATE CONTEXT.

>> IT'S SITTING IN THE GARAGE.

HE WAS SITING IN THE GARAGE HAVING A CASUAL CONVERSATION.

THE WHOLE INTERVIEW WAS VERY INTERESTING.

>> Larry: LET ME ASK YOU THIS.

DO YOU THINK ANYBODY SHOULD BE ABLE TO SAY T. RAPPERS ARE

SAYING IT.

KIDS ARE ACTING LIKE IT'S A DIFFERENT MEANING AND PEOPLE

ARE FLIPPING IT UPSIDE DOWN.

TO ME IT STILL DOES MEAN THAT.YOU MAY HAVE CHANGED IT BUT

IT STILL KIND OF MEANS THAT.

>> AS A RESIDENT WHITE PERSON, I'M GOING TO LET YOU GUYS SAY

IT.

>> I WAS WONDERING WHAT RIKIWOULD SAY.

>> I WAS WONDERING TOO.

>> I'M NOT QUALIFYED TO WEIGH IN ON THE TOPIC IN ANY WAY

WHATSOEVER.

>> YOU WANT THE STATES TODECIDE

>> I THINK YOU CAN SPEAK FOR ALLTHE WHITE PEOPLE IN THE ROOM.

IT'S AN INTERESTING POINT. I'VECHANGED ON IT. I USED TO THINK

IT'S A TERM OF ENDEARMENT IN OUR OWN PRIVACY OF OUR HOME.

I USED TO THINK THAT, UNTIL YOU START THINKING ABOUT THE

HISTORY.

WHEN YOU KNOW THE HISTORY THAT WORD, FOR MANY IT

WAS THE LAST WORD THEY HEARD BEFORE THEY WERE BEATEN TO

DEATH.

THAT'S THE LAST THING THEYHEARD.

WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THAT, I THINK WE HAVE TO RETHINK IT.

>> Larry: YOU THINK THE WORD SHOULD GO AWAY.

SOME PEOPLE SUGGEST -- THERE'S A LOT OF WORDS THAT SHOULD GO

AWAY.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO GET RID OFYOLO.

>> THAT WOULD BE FIRST.

>> MAYBE ALL YOU CAN EAT.

THAT SHOULD GO AWAY.

>> ALL YOU CAN EAT?

ALL YOU CAN EAT?

>> YEAH, YEAH, I WOULD GET RID OF BOTH OF THOSE.

>> BUT THOSE WORDS AREN'T PAINFUL.

>> TO ME THEY ARE

>> I FEEL THAT WE SHOULD ATLEAST HAVE -- AT LEAST WE

COULD -- DEFINITELY WHITE PEOPLE SHOULD GO ON A FAST

WITH THE WORD.

BUT DEFINITELY LIKE A DIET.

I THINK WE SHOULD TRY SAYING IT LESS EVERY DAY.

>> ARE YOU LIKE PRESIDENT OBAMA, YOU CLOSE THE DOOR?

>> KIND OF.

>> AND THEN I -- I GO A LITTLE NUTS.

>> I THINK IT'S GOOD THAT WE'RE HAVING THIS

CONVERSATION.

I GREW UP IN CONNECTICUT.

MY KIDS GREW UP IN CONNECTICUT.

SO YOU'D BE IN THE CAR AND PLAYING MUSIC AND SINGING, AND

SINGING IT WITH GUSTO, AND I'M THINKING THERE'S SOMETHING

ABOUT THAT THAT BOTHERS ME WHEN WE PUT THAT MUSIC ON. IT'S

SORT OF -- IT BOTHERS ME A LOT.

>> I LOVE WHEN WHITE PEOPLE PULLUP TO THE LIGHT AND THEY'RE

SINGING IT. LIKE GETTING CAUGHTWITH THE MILK AT THE FRIDGE.

IT'S INDULGENCE.

IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH, YOU HAD TO PAY FOR AN INDULGENCE.

YOU CAN SAY IT.

>> YOU'RE CATHOLIC, RIGHT?

>> I AM.

>> IT'S AN INDULGENCE: IS THERE A WORD THAT WHITE PEOPLE

CAN SAY INSTEAD WHEN THEY WANT TO SING RAP MUSIC.

>> EXAMPLE?

>> NEIGHBOR.

>> YOU'RE MY NEIGHBOR.

>> HOW ABOUT YO MY NINJA.

>> NINJA IS GOOD.

YEAH.

>> I THINK NINJA, NEIGHBOR.

>> WHERE DO YOU STAND ON IT?

>> THE USE OF THE N WORD.

DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD BAN IT?

>> I DON'T THINK ANY LANGUAGESHOULD BE BANNED.

I THINK LANGUAGE IS VERY POWERFUL.

I AGREE WITH THE PRESIDENT HOW HE USED IT.

I THOUGHT HE WAS ELOQUENT.

I THINK THE PRESIDENT DID TWO BRAVE THINGS.

LAST WEEK HE TALKED ABOUT GUNS.

AND THAT WAS A POLITICAL SPEECH.

THAT WAS GOOD. THAT WAS VERYBRAVE

[ APPLAUSE ]AND ON THE WEEKEND

, IT DOESN'T GET MUCH WORSE, PEOPLE GUNNED

DOWN IN A CHURCH IN A RACIAL INCIDENT.

>> AND THEY WERE NICE, THEY WERE WELCOMING TO HIM.

>> Larry: FOR THE PRESIDENT TO SAY THE N-WORD IN THIS

CONTEXT, THAT'S OLD SCHOOL INTHE WAY I HAVEN'T SEEN IN A

WHILE.

AND I DON'T MEAN TO BE FLIP ABOUT IT.

I KNOW HE WAS THOUGHTFUL ABOUT IT.

I BELIEVE IN THE POWER OF WORDS.

I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO GET RIDOF WORDS.

I JUST THINK PEOPLE SHOULD LEARNHOW TO USE THEM.

>> WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.