June 16, 2016 - Anika Noni Rose

  • 06/16/2016

Felonious Munk examines the term "radical Islamic terrorism," and Larry discusses the state of feminism in America with Anika Noni Rose, Franchesca Ramsey and Holly Walker.

-(cheering continues)-Oh, my God! What?!

(chuckles)Thank you very much!

Thank you very much.Welcome to The Nightly Show.

-(audience chanting "Larry!")-Yes! What a crowd, man.

They are excited to be here.

I'm Larry Wilmore.

We got a great one for youtonight.

Tony winner and Disney princessAnika Noni Rose joins us

-(cheering, applause)-on the panel tonight.

Yeah. Nice, man. Nice.

But foist... foist,

while most conservativeand liberal pundits

are at each other's throatsconcerning guns,

Fox News host Gretchen Carlsonkind of went off script.

There's no doubtthat Omar Mateen

was able to kill so many peoplebecause he was firing an AR-15,

a weapon easier to buyin the state of Florida

than buying a handgun.

I'm also with the majority todaytaking a stand.

Can't we hold true the sanctityof the Second Amendment

while still having common sense?

By the way, Fox News employees,

swing byBuffalo Wild Wings tonight

for Gretchen Carlson'sfarewell party.

(laughter, shouts, whooping)

I'm telling you, there'sno way Fox is keeping her

-after that, man.-(laughter)

Good for you, Gretchen.Good for you.

And to help Gretchen...you know, to help Gretchen

land a new job, we got herthe MSNBC starter pact.

-(laughter)-So, here we go.

-(audience whooping)-There we go. Very nice.

-(applause)-It's all here.

Uh, the short androgynousbrunette wig,

black glasses,and a Ta-Nehisi Coates book.

-Uh... let's see how she'll look-(laughter)

for her MSNBC job interview.

Oh! Nice.

Perfect! I like it!

I like it a lot.

(laughing):Very good.

Everyone should haveone of those, I think.

They really should.


Meanwhile, senate Democrats

are tiredof just talking about guns.

They want action.

NEWSMAN: Led by Connecticut senator, Chris Murphy,

Democrats commandeering the senate floor,

trying to force a vote to toughen up gun laws.

And so I'm gonna remainon this floor

until we get some signal,some sign...

that we can come together...

I tried that lineon Halle Berry.


Still waiting!

So the Democrats are fightingfor two amendments, right?

Expanding background checks

and preventingpeople on the no-fly list

from being able to buy guns.

Now, these are no-brainers,especially the no-fly list one.

In fact, it's such a no-brainer

that even someonewith barely a brain agrees.

NEWSMAN: Trump signaling an openness to new restrictions

that would ban people on the terrorist watch list

or the no-fly list from buying guns.

Yes, guys,Trump makes a good point.

But calm down--you can hit a piano with a bat

and still get a coupleof notes, all right?


Doesn't make you Rachmaninoff.

It does not, all right?

And, by the way,even the Benghazi Kid agrees.

If you are too dangerousto get on a plane,

you are too dangerousto buy a gun.

Well, I don't know,I don't know.

'Cause under that logic,then no mother (bleep) snakes

can buyany mother (bleep) guns...

(laughter, whooping)

...'cause they are not allowedon any mother (bleep) plane.

Is that your visionof America, Hillary?


All right,so both sides agree, right?

But, you know,here's the thing, guys,

here's the thing-- whenboth sides agree so quickly

after being so far aparton everything,

that's when I generallyget worried, okay?

So let's reallythink this through.

Because this country has a habitof making bad decisions

in the wakeof a national crisis.

(coughs):Iraq War.


(coughs):Patriot Act.

(clears throat)

(coughing):Japanese internment camps.

(coughing): Fuller House.

(laughter, applause)


Once the Olsen twins weren't in,Wilmore was out.


But look, here's the thing,though, it's easy to say,

"Well, this person is dangerous,

they shouldn't be allowedto buy guns,"

but it isn't that simple, okay?

Anyone can be underthe investigation of the FBI.

I mean, Martin Luther King wasunder investigation of the FBI.

John Lennon was underinvestigation of the FBI.

Hillary Clinton is currentlyunder investigation of the FBI.

Right? How embarrassingwould it be to have a president

who's on the no-fly list?


(as Hillary):Could we do the summit

at the White House instead? Oh.

Air Force One is in the shop.Yeah. All right.

And because it's the government,you know,

there's also the problemof bureaucratic error.

For instance-- this is true--do you know who else

has been denied entryto airplanes?

Air marshals who are supposedto protect us while flying,

but who also have names toosimilar to someone on the list.

Like, Dave ben Laden.


But B-E-N Laden. Mm-hmm.

He's not Laden now.

He's been Laden.

-(laughter)-Thank you very much.

See how I did that?With the "been."

-(applause)-He ain't Laden no mo'.

-(whooping, whistling)-Thank you! Thank you, lady!

That's what I'm talking about!

Whistle Lady, too.


All right?And Whistle Lady got it, too.

-Thank you, Whistle Lady.-(laughter)

Okay. Here's my other problemwith this list

of "potential" bad people.

Any of us could wind upon this thing--

and by "any of us," I meanmostly black and brown people.

Do you know what puttingblack people on a no-fly list

would meanto Southwest Airlines?


-Decimated, all right?-(laughter)

And by the way, neitherthe San Bernardino shooters

nor the Orlando shooterwere on the no-fly list.

I'll tell you what, howabout if we put all Americans

on a no-buying-assault-weaponslist?

-(whooping, applause) -That'swhat I think should be done.

How about that list?

All right. Okay.

So to learn moreabout the process

by which these lists are made,

please welcomethe acting deputy undersecretary

of the Homeland Security'sBureau of Regulation Management

and Lists, Dirk McDermond.

(cheering, applause)

Hi, Larry.

Okay, so, yo,

now, I have to say,I have very serious concerns

about these lists--so how exactly do they work?

(sighs): It's a verycomplicated system, Larry.

-Mm-hmm. -It involvescovert surveillance,

-Right. -complex equations,forensic analysis.


Man, I'm just messing with you,man. If somebody looks guilty,

we just put 'emon a list. Come on.

See? I knew it.But... Look, you-you...

If you can justslap someone on a list

and then take awaya Constitutional right,

you're depriving themof due process,

which means any Americanhas the potential

to be on that list, right?

No, no, no, no, no, no,of course not.

There is a long list of people

who will neverbe put on a list, okay?

We call it the "no list" list.

We got this.We got this covered.

But, look,even the ACLU is concerned

that a lot of these listsare just like profiling.

And you'll have a listthat's full of people

who look a certain way.

And by "certain way",I mean people of color.

-Completely understandyour concern. -Thank you.

Look, that's why we havea long list of safeguards

to prevent those thingsfrom happening. We got...

-That's just another list.-Yeah, all right.

How do you keepall the lists straight?

I'll give you a hint:it starts with an L

and it rhymes with "cyst".

-List.-Boom, you got it.

All right, I'm still concerned.Here's the other thing--

how can peopleeven get off this list?

-That's another problem.-Oh, you see, Larry,

that's very simple.You just have to get on

the "take me off the list" list.

-How do they do that? -Well,right now you can't do it,

'cause currently there'sa bit of a waiting list.

But still, you know, you can...

Is there anythingsomeone can do?

Can they at least call?

No, we're actually unlisted.

Of course you are, right. Okay.

So, you don't think there'sanything wrong with this?

I mean, you're not even worriedabout people's civil liberties.

As a black man,I'm sure... I'm sure

I'm already probably,like, on seven lists.

-(coughs) 13.-What?

No, no, I... No, look,listen, I got to run.

I'm sorry, I-I'm working, like,over at Buzzfeed at night.

You know? I'm, uh,working on some lists for them.

Yeah, like, right nowI got this one, you go,

-29 Reasons My Cat Can't Even.So cool. -Okay, all right.

Whatever.Dirk McDermond, everybody.

We'll be right back.

-♪ -(cheering, applause)

Oh, welcome back.Thank you very much.

Now, if you listento conservatives

it seems likeall that stands between us

and handing ISISits own ass is...

um, is, like,three little words.

Yippee-ki-yay, (bleep).

No, no, no, no, no.

It wasn't that.Although that was awesome.

Uh, it was this.

Radical Islamic terrorism!

There we go.

See, the right contendsthat since Obama

won't say"radical Islamic terrorism"

he's somehow soft on terror.

To them, Obama is the closed-offone in the relationship

who won't say the wordsthey need to hear,

'cause... I don't even knowwhat we are right now, Obama.

Mm-hmm. POTUS, what do youhave to say for yourself?

Not once hasan adviser of mine said,

"Man, if we reallyuse that phrase

we're gonna turn this wholething around." Not once.

There's no magicto the phrase "radical Islam".

But anything could be magical,Obama, if you...

(cheering, applause)


Thank you very much.Thank you.

All right. But then...

That had nothingto do with anything.

But this is a big debate.

Why won't Obama usethis specific language?

And here with moreon this word war on terror

is our resident egghead andlanguage expert, Felonious Monk.

-(cheering, applause)-Larry.

All right. Now...

Felonious,you're a master of words.

How important is itfor the president

to use the words"radical Islamic terrorism"?

Brother Larry,does the winsomeness

of a lark's area changethe splendor its avian plumage?

Is it not the same with thesematters of human strife?

Does it matter orally,

or are all things the same,

no matter the tenor?


In other words, Brother Larry,what can the ears say?

For they have no mouthwith which to opine.


Oh, oh, okay, so you're saying

his wordsaren't important, right?

I mean, Obama's still fightingthe war on terror, right?

Well, you are bothwholly unerring

and hopelessly astray.

The lexicon matters little when,in a situation such as this,

desideratum is key.


Of course, right.Desideratum?


Right, right, I get it-- intent.

I just wanted to clear that upfor the audience.

(scoffs)Desideratum, you guys.

How have... you not heard that?Come on.

-Listen, words are important,Brother Larry, yes. -Yes.

Though they are but windowsinto the domicile,

and that homeis built upon an idea,

And-and for that-that fetalpostulation to withstand

sustained incursionfrom nature's savagery,

that concept... that foundation

must be unyielding.

Yes, right.

I just said that to someoneat the barbershop the other day.

Well, nonetheless, PresidentObama, in his attempt

to remain respectfully roostedabove the maelstrom of bile

belched forth by the likesof that hirsute titan

of the Teutonic tradition,

one Donald Jiberius Trump...

elects to utilize decorum,to not regress

into the fetid fever swampsof ad hoc animus

against Islam,which ISIS then leverages

to attract fresh janissariesand flunkies.

Oh. Oh, okay.So, you're saying

Obama's trying to bean adult about this

so that he doesn'tvilify Muslims?

Verily, sir, verily.

Really? That's right?

-(cheering, applause)-I got it right. Yeah!

Ha, ha! Um, all right, now--

despite, uh, getting Osama

and the advancesmade against ISIS,

Obama's criticsstill think he's weak on terror.

I mean, two out of fiveRepublicans

think Obama is a Muslim.So, is it hopeless?

Oh, of course not.But Obama's perspicacity

may be ipso factoa mendacious canard,

for the verbiage we useto describe something

can change our opinions of it.

Right. Okay.

Yeah...Can you give me an example?

Well, as you saidto the chief executive

of these United States, the mostpotently powerful potentate

in perhapsthe known macro cosmos,

Larry, one can bea familiar or compatriot,

or one can be most emphatically

and explicitly my brethrenof sub-Saharan succession.

(cheering and applause)


what did you just call me?

Oh, I saidyou're my (bleep), yo.

I... That's what I thought.Okay.

That part I understood.

Felonious Munk, everybody!We'll be right back!

-See, I got that...-(cheering and applause)

Welcome back!I'm here with my panel.

First up, Nightly Show contributor Franchesca Ramsey.

(cheering and applause)

And Nightly Show ContributorHolly Walker.

(cheering and applause)

And she's a Tony Award-winningactress and singer,

and she's garnering all kindsof praise for her role as Kizzy

in the amazing Roots miniserieson the History Channel,

Anika Noni Rose.

(cheering and applause)

And for everyone at home,join our conversation right now

on Twitter, @NightlyShow,using the hashtag #Tonightly.

Now, during, uh,Tuesday's first ever

United State of Women Summit,organized by the White House,

Obama gave an impassionedspeech. Take a look.

I may be a little grayerthan I was eight years ago,

but this is what a feministlooks like.

(cheering and applause)


So, is he right?

Is that what a feministlooks like?

-Yeah. It's not justfor women anymore. -Yeah. -Yes!

-Sure. -Absolutely. Andhe's done the work, you know?

He has done a lot of thingsto speak up about wage equality,

uh, whether it's beenhealth care,

which is also a feminist issue,because women need

-to have access to birth control-Mm-hmm.

and be ableto get, uh, safe abortions.

So he's not just sayinghe's a feminist.

He's actually doing the work.

-And we need men to befeminists. -Yeah. Mm-hmm.

We need mento push this message,

because, you know, you don'tlisten as strongly to the other.

You listen much more tothe message coming from somebody

-who is of your area,whatever that means. -Mm-hmm.

So when it can come from...

someone with extra thingshappening between their legs,

-then somehow it's stronger.-Yes. Yes. -Right. Hmm.

Do... Now, is, uh,does femini...

What does feminism meanto you today?

Do you think it's changedfrom how it originally...

the original meaning of it?

Or is it basically the same

but peopleare just understanding it now?

I think there are a lotof things that are the same

and a lot of things thathave changed, that, you know...

-I think, for me, I thinkof wage equality. -Mm-hmm.

I think of, certainly,having the ability

to be in charge of what'shappening with my own body

and my own health and not havinga group of men sitting

-behind some wall decidingfor me. -Sure.

Um, but here we are in 2016discussing abortion

like we didn't havethis conversation

and make a... make a pointabout it in 1972.

Unfortunately, we are stillhaving the same conversations.

Yeah.People like to talk in America.

People like to talk.

You know, and people thinkit's all about, you know, oh--

some men--women not wearing bras

and running... And clearlyI chose not to today.

-(laughter) -You know,I have a really good designer,

so I'm all right. But, you know,I don't think a lot of women,

since the adventof the-the push-up bra,

-are too worried about that,you know? -Uh-huh.

Does feminism mean somethingdifferent for women of color?

-Absolutely. Yeah. -Absolutely.-Yeah. Definitely. -Yeah.

I mean, historically,the feminist movement

has been very white.

I mean, even if you lookat the suffragette movement,

Ida B. Wells was very upsetwhen she was told

that she needed to be atthe back of the march, you know,

and was like, "There's no wayI'm gonna stay back there."

-So...-Ida B. in the front.


-Yeah, so... -I ain't tryin'to be in the back.

-Right, right. Mm-hmm.-So I think today,

a lot more women of colorare comfortable

calling themselves feminists,but, personally,

I am not botheredif someone isn't okay

-with calling themselvesa feminist... -WILMORE: Uh-huh.

As longas you're doing the work,

I think thatthat's what matters the most.


And quite frankly,unfortunately, for me,

being a feministand dealing with feminism...

-WILMORE: Mm-hmm.-...is in the backseat

to dealing with racism,so there's always racism...

WILMORE: Feminism'sin the backseat, you say.

-Well, sometimes, yeah,sometimes. -Yeah.

And, unfortunately,they also combine.

-RAMSEY: And intersect. Yeah.-They intersect. -Right.

So, it definitely is differentfor women of color,

-'cause we're also dealingwith different things. -Mm-hmm.

But it's also differentfor women who have disabilities.

-Right. -It's also differentfor transgender women.

It's differentfor a lot of different women.

-Depending on what yourbackground is I think... -Yeah.

it morphs daily, and I think

there's also a different feelingabout...

If black womenare feeling very strong

and set in a pointabout feminism,

we are, all of a sudden, angry.


In a very different way, whichmeans something very different.

-And I think... -WILMORE:Well, feminism has always had

that kind of, uh...

The peoplewho were anti-feminism--

although I don't know how...

-That doesn't even make senseto me, that phrase. -I...

But that was always the...

RAMSEY: Check my mentionson Twitter. They out there.

Well, that was alwaysthe criticism--

why is she so angry?You know, why are

-feminists so angry? -ROSE: Whyare you so angry? But there's

a very big difference when...

WILMORE: There was a good reasonto be angry, by the way. Right.

There's a good reasonto be angry,

and there'sa very big difference.

-When black women become angryabout something... -Mm-hmm.

...all of a sudden, it's a ragethat people are scared of.

-You know what I mean?-WILMORE: Right, right.

Like,it's the fire you can't put out.

As opposed to women realizing,

-"Listen, did you not comefrom a vagina?" -(laughter)

Do you not have a reasonto support feminism?

-WILMORE: Right. -'Cause I thinkwe all swooped in the same way.

RAMSEY:And even sometimes

if you're not angry, they applythe angry label on you.


Even when you're saying itin the nicest way possible.

-ROSE: Right? -WALKER: You can'tbe passionate, right.

-WILMORE: Calm down, Franchesca!-ROSE: Calm down!

-I'm gonna flip your sable furright now! -(Walker growls)

-Right?-Right. You just happened

to have a really good eyebrowwax that day....

-I'm not angry.-Yeah.

My eyebrows are on point,you know?

-It's different.-(laughter)

Right. But even Hillary Clintongets that.

When she's just speaking loud,she's shouting and angry. Right.

WALKER:Right, if you're passionate,

-that equals angry to...-WILMORE: Mm-hmm.

for a lot of women,unfortunately.

-WILMORE: And but... -ROSE: Andwe aren't allowed to hold anger.

-Right. -We aren't allowedto have anger and utilize anger

and be righteous in our angerin the same way that men are.

We have the right to be madabout something. You know, if...

-(cheers and applause)-Yes. -Yes. -WILMORE: Yes.

If men get angry,they are strong,

they are headstrong,they are leaders,

they are to the point.

If we get angry,we're instant bitches

-who need to be puton time-out. -WILMORE: Right.

-Right. A time-out.-Like, it makes no sense.

We're emotional.

-We have PMS, we have...-"You must be on your period."

-Yeah, exactly.-Yeah. -ROSE: Right.

If Hillary Clinton does becomeour next president,

what do you think that'll dofor feminism, if anything?

Because a lot of peopleare saying,

"Oh, if Obama becomes president,racism's gone."

-You know?-Yeah. Not, not.

You know,and Shirley Chisholm said

that women were emotionally,sexually

and psychologically stereotyped

from the moment the doctor says,"It's a girl."

WILMOREYeah. That is a fact.

When will that change?

Well, especially in China.

I mean, that's, like, one of theworst places to be born a girl.

You're instantly stigmatized,I think, for that.

Well, there was a pointwhere you were

not only stigmatized,but you were thrown away.

-WILMORE: Yes, exactly. Yeah.-Literally.

So, you know, we've gone...

we've gotten better than that,

and I thinkthey've changed that.

We've gotten better.

-Um...-WALKER: But there's a lot...

RAMSEY: There's still a lotof work to do.

ROSE: There's a lot of work tobe done. -WALKER: Yeah. -Yes.

Um... is there a place for...

This is a questionI always wondered.

Do you think....?Is there a place

for things like chivalryin feminism,

you know, with men? Yeah.

-WALKER: Yes! -ROSE: Yes!RAMSEY: Absolutely.

-As long as you're not usingyour hand... -Right.

-...to lift me bodilyfrom the bus... -Oh.

-...as I'm getting outof my subway seat... -Damn it!

-...I appreciate that little bitof help. -Yeah.

You know what I mean?

And when we get equal pay,I will pay for dinner equally.

-WILMORE: Right.-You know what I'm saying?

-Exactly.-I will pay for dinner equally.

-I like that. That's a veryclear thing. -(cheers, applause)

-That is.-WILMORE: All right.

We'll be right back.That is exactly right.

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