January 14, 2014 - Deborah Solomon

  • 01/14/2014

A-Rod is suspended for drug use, Pat Buchanan supports Russia's anti-gay laws, Billie Jean King is a U.S. Olympic delegate, and Deborah Solomon talks "American Mirror."

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)>> Stephen: WELCOME TO THE

"REPORT," EVERYBODY!

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)(AUDIENCE CHANTING "STEPHEN")

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)>> Stephen: THANK YOU SO MUCH.

FOLKS, LET'S GET RIGHT TO IT.

WE HAVE TONS OF NEWS TO REPORT.

OBVIOUSLY THE BIG STORYEVERYONE'S TALKING ABOUT, YOU

HAVE TO LATEST FROM IRAQ,PROBLEMS IMPLEMENTING OBAMACARE,

THERE IS A NEW BUDGET DEALCOMING, PLUS REPUBLICAN

PROPOSALS TO MODIFY THE EARNEDINCOME TAX CREDIT!

SO WITH THAT, THIS IS "THE SPORTREPORT."

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)(LAUGHTER)

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)(LAUGHTER)

>> Stephen: FIRST UP, FOLKS,BASEBALL.

NATION, I'M AS MAD AS A MANWHO'S TOO ANGRY TO FINISH HIS

SIMILES.

(LAUGHTER)BECAUSE MY FAVORITE ATHLETE HAS

BEEN DEALT A GROSS MISCARRIAGEOF SPORTS JUSTICE.

YANKEES THIRD BASEMAN A-ROD.

NOW, A-ROD'S A FRIEND.

WE USE THE SAME ARTIST TO PAINTUS AS CENTAURS, GOOGLE IT.

TO ME THIS GUY IS NOT JUST A-RODHE'S THE-ROD.

AND IT MAKES MY BLOOD BOIL TOSEE HOW' HE'S BEINGS PER KATED.

>> Stephen:>> A-ROD HAS BEEN SHUT OUT OF

MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL'S ENTIRE2014 SEASON.

162 GAMES.

WON'T BE ELIGIBLE FOR ANYPOST-SEASON GAMES.

>> NEW YORK YANKEES THIRDBASEMAN HAS BEEN SUSPENDED FOR

THE ENTIRE 2014 SEASON FOR USINGPERFORMANCE-ENHANCING DRUGS.

>> Stephen: WHAT?

THAT'S INSANE!

162 GAMES?

HOLD ON A SECOND.

MULTIPLIED BY HOW LONG EACHBASEBALL GAME LASTS -- HOLD ON,

LET'S SEE HERE.

UH-HUH.

THAT'S 400 YEARS!

BESIDES, FOLKS, I TAKE HIM ATHIS WORD!

NO.

>> FOR THE RECORD, HAVE YOU EVERUSED STEROIDS, HUMAN GROWTH

HORMONE OR ANY OTHERPERFORMANCE-ENHANCING DRUGS?

>> NO.

>> DID YOU DO ANYTHING WRONG?

>> NO.

>> DID YOU DO ANY P.E.D.s?

>> NO.

>> Stephen: AND I BELIEVE HIM,FOLKS.

THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCEHE'S USING PERFORMANCE-ENHANCING

DRUGS.

ESPECIALLY THE PLAYOFFS.

(LAUGHTER)SO, LISTEN, ULTIMATE PLAY IF HE

DID USE DRUGS?

IT'S THE CULTURE OF THE GAME!

TO STAY COMPETITIVE, TODAY'SPLAYERS NEED A LITTLE

SOMETHING-SOMETHING, GIVE THEMTHE PHYSICAL DEMANDS OF THIS

SPORT.

I MEAN, THERE'S THE STANDING,THE SITTING, AND, HEY, THOSE

CROTCHES AREN'T GOING SCRATCHTHEMSELVES!

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)I AM NOT THE ONLY ONE -- JUST

FOR THE RECORD I'M NOT THE ONLYONE IN FAVOR OF DRUGS, SO IS FOX

NEWS BENCH WARMERS THE 5.

>> HE PROBABLY SUPPLIED A-RODWITH A PERFORMANCE ENHANCING

DRUG AND MAYBE HE DID SHOOT HIMUP.

I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHY TOSUSPEND THE GUY FOR A WHOLE

YEAR.

MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL SAID GUESSWHAT?

WE'RE OKAY WITH MEDICALMARIJUANA.

SO ON ONE HAND THEY'RE OKAY WITHMEDICAL MARIJUANA.

THE BUT GOD FORBID YOU GET APERFORMANCE-ENHANCING DRUGS.

>> Stephen: OF COURSE THEYSUPPORT MEDICAL MARIJUANA IN THE

M.L.B.

HOW ELSE WOULD YOU GET SNOB PAY$18 FOR A HOT DOG?

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)BUT THE BEST POINT ON THE 5 WAS

MADE BY THE BOTTOM OF THE FIFTH,GREG GUTFELD.

JIM?

>> DRUGS ARE GOING TO EXIST ASLONG AS THERE'S AN INCENTIVE TO

USE THEM AND THE INCENTIVE IS TOWIN.

IN EVERY JOB YOU DO IF THERE'S ADRUG THAT HELPS YOU, DO THE DAMN

DRUG AND NO ONE SHOULD GET INYOUR TRY STOP YOU.

>> Stephen: FOLKS, I AGREE.

IF THERE IS A DRUG THAT CAN MAKEGREG GUTFELD DO HIS JOB BETTER,

BY GOD, HE SHOULD DO THOSEDRUGS!

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)PLEASE, KEEP LOOKING, BUDDY,

THEY'RE GOING FIND A CURE.

(LAUGHTER)SO LISTEN TO THE 5, KIDS, JUST

DO DRUGS.

(LAUGHTER)AND I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT

RECREATIONALLY, PROFESSIONALLY!

I MEAN CASE IN POINT.

YOU THINK I WIN ALL THESE AWARDSBECAUSE I'M GOOD AND I WORK

HARD?

PLEASE!

I AM NOTHING BUT A FLESH SACKPROPPED UP BY THE WONDERS OF BIG

PHARMA!

(LAUGHTER)FOR STARTERS I TAKE STEROIDS

JUST FOR THE TESTICLE SHRINKING.

(LAUGHTER)LEFT UNCHECKED, MY BALLS WOULD

KEEP GROWING LIKE BEAVER TEETH.

(LAUGHTER)AND OBVIOUSLY I'VE GOT TO POPPED

A RAL TO STAY FOCUSED WHENPEOPLE WHO AREN'T ME ARE

TALKING.

(LAUGHTER)I TAKE SOME AMBIEN BECAUSE I

HAVE TROUBLE SLEEPING DURING THECOMMERCIAL BREAKS.

THEN I JUST HIT THE BASICS--CENTRUM, SOMA, NEUROIN, THE

SPICE, GLINT, GLIMMER, JIZADRINETHE WII, POWDERED RHINO HORN,

THE BLUE, BONIVA, FLINT STONE'SCHEWABLES, FLINT STONE'S SPOZ

SUPPOSITORIES, FRONT LINE FLEAAND TICK ON THE BACK OF MY NECK

SO I CAN'T LIFT IT OFF AND I'VEGOT A NUVARING UP IN THERE

SOMEWHERE.

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)NOT ENTIRELY SURE WHERE, BUT I'M

WALKING FUNNY.

(LAUGHTER)OF COURSE, KIDS, YOU'LL HAVE TO

EXPERIMENT TO GET YOUR OWNCOCKTAIL DIALED IN.

MINE TOOK A LOT OF TRIAL ANDERROR-- TRIAL IN THAT I'VE BEEN

ON TRIAL FOR TAKING BATH SALTSAND THEN ERROR OF ATTEMPTING TO

EAT SOMEONE'S FACE.

ONCE AGAIN, MY APOLOGIES TODORIS KEARNS GOODWIN.

(AUDIENCE REACTS)NEXT UP, FOLKS -- SHE'S FINE,

SHE'S FINE.

NEXT UP, FOLKS, WINTER SPORTS.

THIS IS MY FAVORITE TIME OF THEEVERY FOUR YEARS BECAUSE THE

WINTER OLYMPICS ARE JUST AROUNDTHE CORNER.

NOW, I AM PROHIBITED FROMSHOWING YOU A GRAPHIC OF THE

OLYMPIC RINGS DUE TO THREATS OFCOPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT BUT I'VE

GOT A WORK AROUND.

JIMMY, JUST PUT UP FIVEINTERLOCKING MICKEY HEADS.

THERE YOU GO.

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)FOLKS, THIS YEAR'S OLYMPIC GAMES

ARE IN RUSSIA WHERE HAVE HAD AMUIR PUTIN'S RECENT LAW OF

DISPLAYING GAY PROPAGANDA HASGOTTEN THE RIGHT-HUGGERS' YUAN

AROUND THES IN A BUNCH.

BUT PUTIN LANDED HIMSELF A HUGESUPPORTER STATE SIDE, FOX NEWS

YOUTH CORRESPONDENT PATBUCHANAN.

(LAUGHTER)IN AN OP-ED ON DOWNHALL.COM

ENTITLED, "IS PUTIN ONE OF US?"HE APPLAUDS PUTIN'S BELIEF THAT

TO EQUATE TRADITIONAL MARRIAGETO SAME-SEX MARRIAGE IS TO

EQUATE GOOD WITH EVIL.

AND WRITES "HE HAS MORE CLARITYTHAN AMERICANS CAUGHT UP IN A

COLD WAR PARADIGM."

BUCHANAN IS RIGHT.

THE COLD WAR IS OVER.

IN FACT, IF REAGAN WERE ALIVETODAY HE'D BEEN SAYING THIS.

>> MR. PUTIN, BUILD OUT A WALLTO KEEP OUT THE HOMOS!

(LAUGHTER)>> Stephen: BESIDES, GAY

SUPPORTERS HAVE NOTHING TO WINEABOUT BECAUSE PUTIN RECENTLY

ANNOUNCED THAT PRE-APPROVEDRALLIES MAY BE HELD IN A

DESIGNATED PROTEST ZONE.

YOU HEAR THAT, GAYS?

IF YOU WANT TO PROTEST, JUSTREPORT TO THE GATED ENCLOSURE

SURROUNDED BY THE RUSSIANPOLICE.

(LAUGHTER)WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG?

(LAUGHTER)OF COURSE, COMRADE-O-TOLERANCE

IS STAGING A SIT-IN AT HIS OWNPROTEST ZONE.

>> Stephen: PRESIDENT OBAMA WILLNOT BE HEADING TO THE WINTER

OLYMPICS IN SOCHI, RUSSIA.

NEITHER WILL VICE PRESIDENTJOBTD, THIS, OF COURSE, SEEMS

LIKE A NOT-SO-SUBTLE REBUKE TORUSSIA'S ANTI-GAY LAWS.

THE WHITE HOUSE INSTEAD PLANS TOSEND A DELEGATION THAT INCLUDES

TENNIS GREAT BILLIE JEAN KING,WHO'S OPENLY GAY.

>> Stephen: ACTUALLY I THINKTHEY MEAN TENNIS GREAT BILLIE

JEAN QHING IS FORMERLY GAY.

BECAUSE SHE WAS ON MY SHOW LASTYEAR AND I FLIPPED THE SCRIPT.

(LAUGHTER)>> YOU LOOK GOOD, STEVEN.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

YOU WERE WATCH MEGABACKSTAGE.

>> I'VE BEEN WATCHING YOU QUITEA BIT EVERY PLACE.

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)>> Stephen: THAT'S RIGHT.

FIVE MINUTE ON MY SHOW AND BILLYJEAN KING WANTED TO SNAP INTO ME

LIKE A SLIM JIM.

ARE(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)

I'M LIKE -- FOLKS, I'M LIKE ABIG STRAIGHT MAGNET THAT ERASES

ANY GAY HARD DRIVE I'M PUT NEXTTO.

WHEN WE RETURN, I'LL BE PUT NEXTTO TENNIS LEGEND AND U.S.

OLYMPIC DELEGATE

>> Stephen: WELCOME BACK,EVERYBODY.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

NATION, IF YOU WERE WATCHING THESHOW-- AND I HOPE THAT YOU

WERE-- RIGHT BEFORE THECOMMERCIAL BREAK I REPORTED THAT

IN RESPONSE TO ANTI-GAY LAWS INRUSSIA PRESIDENT OBAMA IS

SENDING AN OLYMPIC DELEGATIONWHICH INCLUDES GAY TENNIS LEGEND

BILLIE JEAN KING AND FIGURESKATER BRIAN BOITANO WHO JUST

TWO DAYS AFTER HE WAS NAMED TOTHE DELEGATION ALSO CAME OUT.

OOH, RIGHT AFTER HE BOOKED ATRIP TO RUSSIA.

TOUGH TIME TO DISCOVER YOU'REGAY!

(LAUGHTER)FOLKS, I BELIEVE THIS IS AN

OUTRAGES YOU BREACH OF THEOLYMPIC SPIRIT.

OBAMA KNOW IT IS HOST COUNTRY ISAGAINST THE GAYS.

SO HE SENDS A BUNCH OF THEM OVERTHERE?

THAT'S LIKE GETTING INVITED TO APOTLUCK DINNER WHERE YOU KNOW

HOST HAS A PEANUT ALLERGY SO YOUBRING A TRAY OF PAD THAI AND GAY

PEOPLE!

(LAUGHTER)THIS IS NOT HOW THE U.S. SHOULD

REPRESENT ITSELF DURING THESOCHI GAMES.

HERE TELL-TO-TELL ME HOW THEU.S. SHOULD REPRESENT ITS DURING

THE SOCHI GAMES, PLEASE WELCOMEDELEGATE MEMBER, TENNIS GREAT

BILLIE JEAN KING.

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)BILLIE JEAN, GOOD TO SEE YOU

AGAIN.

GOOD TO SEE YOU.

>> WOW, YOU GOT THEM RILED.

>> Stephen: THANKS FOR BEINGHERE.

YOU ARE MAYBE THE MOST VISIBLEGAY ATHLETE IN THE WORLD.

I MEAN -- BUT THE LAW SAYS YOUCAN'T HAVE GAY PROPAGANDA.

ISN'T YOUR MERE EXISTENCEPROPAGANDA FOR HOMOSEXUALITY?

BECAUSE YOU MAKE IT LOOK GOOD.

>> WELL, I HOPE SO!

>> Stephen: YES.

>> BUT THE THREE OF US, BRIANAND KAITLIN AND US, COME ON,

WHEN WE SHOW UP ISN'T THAT ASTATEMENT?

>> Stephen: YES, BUT IT'SAGAINST THE LAW.

>> WE BETTER HAVE PRETTY GOODSECURITY THEN.

>> Stephen: YOU'RE GOING OVER TOREPRESENT THE COUNTRY IN THE

PLACE OF OBAMA.

WHAT DO YOU THINK YOURRESPONSIBILITIES ARE GOING TO

BE?

>> WELL, I PROBABLY WON'TPROTEST BUT IF THE MEDIA ASKS ME

A QUESTION I'M GOING ANSWER IT.

(APPLAUSE)>> Stephen: REALLY.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

WHY NOT?

>> Stephen: YOU'LL BE BREAKINGTHE LAW.

IF YOU SAY SOMETHING POSITIVEABOUT HOMOSEXUALS OR ABOUT

HOMOSEXUAL RIGHTS YOU'LL BEBREAKING THE LAW.

TECHNICALLY YOU COULD BE THROWNINTO JAIL.

>> WELL, I'LL TAKE THAT CHANCE,I GUESS.

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)>> Stephen: REALLY?

DO YOU THINK YOU'LL HAVE ACHANCE DO MEET VLADIMIR PUTIN

DORR YOU THINK SOMEBODY ELSEMIGHT DO THE INTERROGATING?

(LAUGHTER)>> WELL, THAT'S -- I HAVE NO

IDEA.

YOU KNOW WHAT?

I'M GOING GO THINK ABOUT THAT.

>> Stephen: SAY HI, HE'S AFRIEND.

>> S HE A FRIEND OF YOURS?

>> Stephen: YEAH.

>>>> WHAT KIND OF A GUY IS HE?

>> Stephen: OFTEN SHIRTLESS.

DON'T YOU THINK IT WOULD HAVEBEEN BRAVER OF OBAMA AND SHOWN

MORE LEADERSHIP IF HE HAD JUSTCHOSEN TO BE GAY FOR TWO WEEKS

AND GONE OVER THERE HIMSELF?

(LAUGHTER)>> I DON'T THINK THAT'S BEING

TRUE TO YOURSELF.

>> Stephen: BUT YOU AGREE IT'S ACHOICE?

>> A CHOICE?

NO.

>> Stephen: IT'S NOT?

OKAY.

>> NO I DO NOT THINK THAT.

>> Stephen: YOU HAVEN'T READ THESCIENCE LATELY ON THAT.

>> OH, I HEAR PEOPLE SAY IT'S ACHOICE.

>> Stephen: I HOPE YOU HEARD MEJUST SAY IT JUST NOW.

>> WELL, YOU'VE HAD A CHOICE ANDYOU'RE STRAIGHT.

>> Stephen: OH, I HAD PLENTY OFOPPORTUNITY TO GAY, BABY!

(LAUGHTER)I HAD MY PICK OF THE LITTER.

THAT I BELIEVE'S WHAT THEY CALLA GROUP OF GAY MEN, A LITTER OF

GAY MEN.

YOU HAVE>> YOU HAVE THOSE TWINKLEY BROWN

EYES.

I BET THEY DID PRETTY WELL,YEAH.

>> Stephen: I'M WORKING MY MAGICON YOU.

>> YOU ARE WORKING THE MAGIC.

>> Stephen: IT WAS SAID -- ITHAS BEEN SAID AND I THINK YOU'VE

ADMITTED THAT YOU HAVE BEENCHOSEN SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE NOT

ONLY ARE YOU A GREAT ATHLETE BUTYOU'RE A WELL-KNOWN HOMOSEXUAL

ATHLETE.

WHAT DOES IT -->> I LIKE "GAY."

IT'S SO MUCH HAPPIER.

(LAUGHTER)>> Stephen: REALLY.

GAY?

>> GAY!

YOU KNOW --.

>> Stephen: SO GAY IS OKAY.

I THOUGHT IT WAS GAY ANDLESBIAN.

>> I JUST LOVE GAY BECAUSE IT'SSO HAPPY.

>> Stephen: REALLY.

>> YES, I'M A GAY WOMAN.

>> Stephen: YOU'RE NOT OFFENDEDBECAUSE YOU'RE BEING CHOSEN

BECAUSE YOU'RE SGHA.

>> I'M PROUD OF IT!

I LOVE IT!

ARE YOU KIDDING?

JUST THE OPPOSITE.

COME ON!

>> Stephen: YOU HAVE SAID THATTHE LGBT FIGHT FOR RIGHTS IS A

CIVIL RIGHTS STRUGGLE OF THE21st CENTURY.

>> IT'S ONE OF THEM ABSOLUTELY.

OR THE ONE, YES.

>> Stephen: DOES THAT MAKERUSSIA THE ALABAMA OF THE 21st

CENSURELY.

>> SURE, WHY NOT?

>> Stephen: ONE MORE THING.

THE LAST THING ON HERE.

YOU WILL ADMIT THE LAST TIME YOUWERE ON THIS SHOW THERE WAS SOME

-- THERE WAS SOME MEET BETWEENTHE TWO OF US.

>> I ACTUALLY -- DIDN'T I JUSTTALK ABOUT YOUR TWINKLEY BROWN

EYES?

ABSOLUTELY!

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)>> Stephen: WELL, THANK YOU.

DO YOU THINK THERE WILL COME ATIME WHEN SOCIETY WILL ACCEPT

LOVE BETWEEN A HAPPILY MARRIEDMAN AND A GAY WOMAN?

(LAUGHTER)>> I HOPE SO!

>> Stephen: THAT WILL BE THECIVIL RIGHTS STRUGGLE OF THE

22nd CENTURY.

>> YOU ARE AA MAN AHEAD OF YOURTIME.

>> Stephen: THANK YOU FORJOINING ME,

>> Stephen: WELCOME BACK,EVERYBODY!

MY GUEST TONIGHT IS THE A RENOWNART CRITIC.

SHE'S ABOUT TO MEET AN ARTCRITIC CRITIC.

PLEASE WELCOME DEBORAH SOLOMON!

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)DEBORAH, GOOD TO SEE YOU, THANKS

FOR COMING ON.

NICE TO SEE YOU AGAIN.

NOW MADAME, AS I SAID BEFORE,YOU'RE AN ART CRITIC.

I'M GOING TO WARN YOU UP FRONTI'M NO FAN OF THE FORM, ALL

RIGHT?

(LAUGHTER)IF ART HAS TO BE EXPLAINED TO ME

CHUCK IT.

ALL RIGHT?

>> YEAH.

YEAH.

>> Stephen: YOU ARE THE AUTHOROF --

>> WELL, I' TRY TO HELP YOUTONIGHT.

WE'LL HAVE YOU LOOK AT APAINTING.

THAT'S ONE OF THE PROBLEMS I'VEGOT WITH YOU.

YOU'VE WRITTEN PREVIOUSBIOGRAPHIES OF JACKSON POLLOCK,

JOSEPH CORNELL.

YOUR NEW BOOK IS CALLED"AMERICAN MIRROR, THE LIFE AND

ART OF NORMAN ROCKWELL."

>> CORRECT.

>> Stephen: HERE'S MY BEEF, DEB.

THE REASON I LIKE NORMANROCKWELL IS HE'S NOT LIKE ONE OF

THESE AVANT-GARDE GUYS WHERE IHAVE TO GO INTO A ROOM IN A

MUSEUM AND THERE'S A PILE OFUNCOOKED SPAGHETTI WITH A LAMP

OVER IT AND THEY GO "THAT'S ARTA."

HE PAINTS A MAILMAN AND I GO"THAT'S A MAILMAN."

WHY DO I NEED YOU TO EXPLAINTHAT TO ME?

>> WELL, IT'S INTERESTING.

DURING HIS LIFETIME-- YOUPROBABLY KNOW-- HE WAS DERIDED

BY THE ART COMMUNITY.

>> Stephen: BY THE ELITES,PEOPLE LIKE YOU.

>> BY ART HISTORIANS AS ANON-ENTITY AND A TOXIC CULTURE

POLLUTER.

>> Stephen: AND AN ILLUSTRATOR.

>> A LOWLY ILLUSTRATOR WHOPAINTED CALENDARS WITH BOY

SCOUTS ON THEM.

NOW 36 YEARS AFTER HIS DEATH ITHINK IT'S INTERESTING THAT

WE'RE STILL TALKING ABOUT HISWORK IN THAT IT HAS TURNED OUT

TO HAVE THE STAYING POWER OF THEABSTRACT PAINTING THAT WAS

CELEBRATING DURING HIS LIFETIME.

>> Stephen: LET'S LOOK AT THISMAN'S WORK.

JIM, LET'S PUT IT RIGHT HERE.

THIS FIRST ONE, THAT'S ROCKWELLHIMSELF?

>> THAT'S A SELF-PORTRAIT.

>> Stephen: IT'S A REALISTICPORTRAIT BUT IT'S ALMOST DEALING

WITH THE SURREALIST REPUTATIONOF THE ARTIST HIMSELF.

DO I SOUND LIKE AN ART CIT SNICKBECAUSE I JUST PULLED THAT

(BLEEP) OUT OF MY ASS.

>> NOT AT ALL.

NOT AT ALL.

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)I I HAVE THIS WHAT'S INTERESTING

ABOUT THE PAINTING IS THAT HE ISCOMPARING HIS RUMBLED APPEARANCE

WITH THE IDEALIZED IMAGE ON THECANVAS.

HE'S TELLING US THAT ARE START ALIE THAT TELLS THE TRUTH.

>> Stephen: I'LL BUY THAT ONE.

LET'S GO TO THE NEXT ONE.

THIS ONE IS -- WHAT'S THIS CALL?

>> "FREEDOM FROM WANTS."

ONE OF THE FOUR FREEDOMS HEPAINTED TO ILLUSTRATE PRESIDENT

ROOSEVELT'S IDEAS ABOUT WHY WEWERE FIGHTING WORLD WAR II.

>> YOU CAN'T TELL ME HE WAS ALIBERAL RIGHT.

HE COULDN'T HAVE BEEN A COMMIESOCIALIST LIKE ROOSEVELT.

THIS GUY IS A HEARTLAND PAINTER.

THIS GUY IS FROM THE HEARTLANDOF AMERICA.

>> NO, HE'S BEEN MISAPPROPRIATEDBY RIGHT WINGERS.

THEY WAS MAN WHO BELIEVED INEQUALITY AND TOLERANCE AND VOTED

FOR J.F.K. IN 1960 AND LBJ IN1964.

>> Stephen: THAT'S ONE OF THETHINGS WHY I DIDN'T WANT TO HEAR

A CRITIC TALK ABOUT IT.

>> Stephen: YOU SHOULD ALSO KNOWHE PAINTED THE DEFYING IMAGE OF

THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT, THEPROBLEM WE ALL LIVE WITH, THE

THE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO TURN HIMINTO A CARTOON VERSION OF AN ALL

WHITE BORING AMERICA DON'T HOLDMUCH CREDENCE.

>> Stephen: HE DID PAINT A LOTOF WHITE PEOPLE.

>> HE DID.

HE DID.

>> Stephen: LET'S GO TO THE NEXTONE.

ONE THAT'S THIS CALLED?

>> "SAYING GRACE."

>> Stephen: THIS JUST SOLD ONSOTHEBYS FOR $46 MILLION.

>> THAT IS CORRECT.

>> Stephen: THE HIGHEST PRICEEVER PAID.

>> Stephen: WE DON'T KNOW WHO --FOR WHAT, FOR THAT PAINTING?

>> FOR AN AMERICAN PAINTING.

>> Stephen: WELL, FOR ANAMERICAN PAINTING OF THAT PERIOD

MEANING WE'RE LOOKING AT ARTISTSLIKE ROCKWELL, EDWARD HOPPER AND

GEORGIA O'KEEFE.

YES, IT'S REPRESENTATIONAL,CORRECT.

>> Stephen: SO ISN'T IT THE BESTREPUTATION IF IT COSTS THE MOST?

HASN'T THE MARKET SPOKEEN?

>> NO, NO!

I WANT TO TELL YOU --.

>> Stephen: DO YOU BELIEVE INTHE FREE MARKET?

>> THAT I BELIEVE THE MARKET ISA CRITIC BUT IT'S NOT A VERY

GOOD CRITIC.

>> Stephen: NOT A GOOD AS ONE ASEVER SAW.

>> Stephen:>> EXACTLY.

>> Stephen: THE MARKET WILLDETERMINE HOW GOOD YOUR BOOK IS,

BY THE WAY.

DON'T INSULT THE MARKET, DEB.

WHY DO YOU THINK THIS SOLD FORSO MUCH MONEY?

WHAT'S GOING ON HERE?

>> IT'S ALSO A THANKSGIVINGPICTURE.

AND IT SHOWS A GRANDMOTHER ANDGRANDSON GIVING THINGS IN THE --

GIVING THANKS IN THE MIDDLE OF ABUSTLING DINER.

THE DETAIL IS EXQUISITE, YOU CANMAKE OUT THE "NEW YORK TIMES."

PHENOMENON.

>> Stephen: YOU CAN SEE THE FORKAND KNIFE.

>> AND SEE THE "NEW YORK TIMES"?

HE READ THE "NEW YORK TIMES."

>> Stephen: EVERYBODY'S GOTTHEIR FLAWS.

(LAUGHTER)>> Stephen: HERE'S MY REAL

PROBLEM WITH YOU.

IT'S BAD ENOUGH YOU'RE BEING ACRITIC BUT YOU'RE ALSO TRYING TO

BE SOME KIND OF CRITICAL SLEUTH.

LOOK AT THIS NEXT PAINTING HERE.

YOU HAVE LOOKED AT SOME OF HISPAINTINGS AND YOU'VE SAID YOU

DETECT A PREFERENCE FOR MEN OVERWOMEN IN HIS SUBJECTS AND YOU'RE

PROJECTING THAT IN THEPOSSIBILITY OF HOMOEROTIC

UNDERTONES IN HIS WORK.

>> WELL, IT'S TRUE HE DID PAINTMEN MORE THAN WOMEN.

HE WAS A FIGURE PAINTER WHOFAVORED MEN AND THAT'S UNUSUAL

BECAUSE MOST FIGURE PAINTERSPAINT WOMEN.

PICASSO, FOR INSTANCE, YOU KNOWPICASSO PAINTED WOMEN.

>> Stephen: AND PUT TOO MANY OFTHESE ON.

(LAUGHTER)>> MATISSE, WOMEN.

GAUGIN, WOMEN.

>> Stephen: SO HE PAINTED A LOTOF GUYS -- SO HE PAINTED A LOT

OF GUYS YOU'RE SAYING IT'SSOMETHING THAT MIGHT HAVE GAY

TENDENCYS?

YOU'RE SAYING HE MIGHT BE HOMESFWHAL THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE

SAYING!

>> YOU USED THE WORD HOMOEROTIC.

DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS?

>> Stephen: IT MEANS BAD!

HOMOEROTIC DOESN'T MEAN THATYOU'RE PERMANENTLY ANYTHING.

IT'S JUST A PASSING IMPULSE.

SO IF ONE FEELS A HOMOEROTICIMPULSE AS AN ART HISTORIAN

MIGHT SAY IT MEANS THAT WE HAVETWO MALE FIGURES SHOWING

AFFECTION FOR EACH OTHER.

AND I --.

>> Stephen: SO THE SUBJECT CANTELL US SOMETHING ABOUT THE

POSSIBLE FEELINGS OF THE PAINTERSEXUALLY?

>> WELL, IT CAN TELL US -- ITCAN TELL US SOMETHING ABOUT THE

ARTIST'S IMAGINATION AND WHATEXCITED HIS GAZE.

>> Stephen: SO YOU'RE SAYINGWARHOL IMAGINED GETTING IT ON

WITH SOUP CANS?

(LAUGHTER)(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)

HFRJTS WE DON'T WANT TO GET INTOWARHOL'S SEXUALITY BECAUSE, YOU

KNOW, THAT'S JUST CAN OF WORMS.

A CAMPBELL'S SOUP OF -- ACAMPBELL'S SOUP CAN OF WORMS.

>> Stephen: HMM,MM GOOD.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOININGME.

DEBORAH SOLOMON.

THE BOOK IS "AMERICAN MIRROR"

>> Stephen: THAT'S IT FOR THEREPORT EVERYBODY. GOODNIGHT