June 16, 2014 - Ta-Nehisi Coates

  • 06/16/2014

Ben Van Heuvelen discusses the ISIS threat in Iraq, a study finds that financial hardship can lead to racist attitudes, and Ta-Nehisi Coates talks "The Case for Reparations."

[CHEERING AND APPLAUSE]>> Stephen: RIGHT THERE?

IS THAT THE ONE?

WELCOME TO "THE REPORT,"EVERYBODY.

[AUDIENCE CHANTING "STEPHEN"][CHEERING AND APPLAUSE]

WELCOME TO "THE REPORT,"EVERYBODY.

FOLKS, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

YOU KNOW...

[CHEERING AND APPLAUSE]WELCOME TO "THE REPORT."

GOOD TO HAVE YOU WITH US.

NATION, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS,BUT TONIGHT I FEEL TEN YEARS

YOUNGER.

IT MIGHT BE THE SUMMER SUN ORTHE SMELL OF BARBECUE OR THE

CHAOS IN IRAQ.

[LAUGHTER]JIM?

>> MILITANTS ON THE MOVE IN IRAQCONQUERING CITY AFTER CITY.

>> THEY'VE NOW TAKEN MOSUL,IRAQ'S SECOND LARGEST CITY,

TIKRIT, SADDAM HUSSEIN'SHOMETOWN, BAIJI, AN IRAQI OIL

REFINERY TOWN, AND TODAY THEYARE TAKING DIRECT AIM AT

BAGHDAD.

>> THE COUNTRY'S GOVERNMENT ANDMILITARY IS LITERALLY

DISINTEGRATING BEFORE OUR EYES.

>> THE SITUATION IS GROWING MOREURGENT AS AMERICAN CONTRACTORS

ARE FORCED TO EVACUATE ANDMILITANTS CONTINUE THEIR MARCH

TOWARDS BAGHDAD.

>> HAPPENING NOW, IRAQ 2.0.

>> Stephen: YES, IT'S IRAQ2.0, AND LIKE ANY UPGRADE, IT'S

FASTER, ONCE IN A WHILEEVERYTHING CRASHES, AND YOU GET

THE ERROR MESSAGE: 404GOVERNMENT NOT FOUND.

[APPLAUSE]BECAUSE, FOLKS, THE NEWS IS IRAQ

IS BEING RAPIDLY OVERRUN BY ATERRORIST GROUP OUT OF SYRIA

ISIS, THE ISLAMIC STATE IN IRAQAND SYRIA.

THESE ARE SOME BAD HOMBRES.

ISIS HAS BEEN DESCRIBED ASBETTER ARMS THAN THE NATIONAL

ARMIES OF SYRIA AND IRAQ, PARTLYBECAUSE IRAQI SOLDIERS ARE

HANDING OVER THEIR WEAPONS ANDUNIFORMS PEACEFULLY.

IT'S NO SURPRISE IRAQI SOLDIERSARE SHI'ITING THE BED HERE.

JIM?

>> WE'VE ALREADY SEEN JUST HOWRUTHLESS THEY ARE.

THE MILITANTS CLAIM THEY HAVEKILLED 1,700 IRAQIS IN JUST THE

LAST DAY.

>> THEY'RE BRUTAL.

>> VERY RADICAL, VERY MILITANT,VERY DRACONIAN.

HOW DRACONIAN?

THEY'VE BEEN ANNOUNCED BY SUCHINTERNATIONAL TERRORIST GROUPS

AS AL QAEDA, WHO HAS NOWOFFICIALLY CHANGED THEIR MOTTO

TO "DEATH TO THE INFIDELS, BUT,YOU KNOW, TASTEFUL."

SO WHO HAS GOT THE BALLS ANDHIS ENEMY'S BALLS TO MAKE AL

QAEDA SEEM KIND OF CHILL?

IT'S NONE OTHER THAN ABU BAKRAL-BAGHDADI, A SHADOWY FIGURE

KNOWN AS THE INVISIBLE SHEIKHSEEN HERE BEING VISIBLE.

[LAUGHTER]AL-BAGHDADI HAS A GROWING ARMY,

RECRUITING FIGHTERS FROM OTHERMILITANT GROUPS BY OFFERING TO

TRIPLE THEIR SALARIES UP TO $400A MONTH.

$400 A MONTH!

BAGHDADI BETTER BE READY FOR AFLOOD OF RESUMES FROM RECENT

COMP LIT GRADS AND SOON.

[CHEERING AND APPLAUSE]AND SOON IT MIGHT BE BONUS

SEASON.

>> THE MILITANTS ARE FLUSH WITHCASH.

THEY ROBBED MOSUL'S CENTRALBANK, TAKING OVER $400 MILLION,

ACCORDING TO THE CITY'SGOVERNOR.

>> THEY ARE CONSIDERED NOW THERICHEST TERRORIST ORGANIZATION

IN THE WORLD, VALUED AT $2BILLION.

>> Stephen: THE RICHESTTERRORIST ORGANIZATION IN THE

WORLD, WHICH MEANS THEY CAN NOWAFFORD MONOGRAMMED SUICIDE

VESTS.

[LAUGHTER]AND WE HAVE NOT SEEN EVERYTHING

IN AL-BAGHDADI'S AL-BAG OFTRICKS, AS HIS FIGHTERS CLAIM

THAT BAGHDADI HAS PLENTY OFHIDDEN SURPRISES FOR HIS

ENEMIES.

SO A WARNING TO ALL IRAQIS, NOMATTER HOW HUNGRY YOU ARE, NO

MATTER HOW DELICIOUS IT LOOKS,DO NOT OPEN THAT CAN OF PEANUT

BRITTLE.

WORSE, AL-BAGHDADI IS PLANNINGTO SOMETHING AMERICA COULD NEVER

DO IN IRAQ, NATION-BUILD.

>> ISIS'S MAIN AIM IS TO EXTENDAN ISLAMIC CALIPHATE

FROM IRAQ TERRITORY OVER INTONEIGHBORING SYRIA.

IRAQ AND SYRIA?

WE COULD BE LOOKING AT THEUMAYYAD DYNASTY ALL OVER AGAIN.

DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS?

IF YOU DO PLEASE DROP ME A NOTEBECAUSE I DO NOT KNOW WHAT THAT

MEANS.

BUT I CAN TELL YOU, IT CAN NOTBE GOOD.

YEAH.

IT CANNOT BE GOOD, FOLKS.

WHO PUTS TWOYs IN A ROW?

CLEARLY THE MARK OF MAD MAN.

THE POINT IS WE'RE FACING THEALARMING COLLAPSE OF THE IRAQI

GOVERNMENT THAT IT TOOK US EIGHTYEARS OF BLOOD AND TREASURE TO

INSTALL, AND IT'S ALL OBAMA'SFAULT.

[LAUGHTER]JIM?

>> I BLAME PRESIDENT OBAMAMIGHTILY FOR A HANDS-OFF

POLICY WHEN IT COMES TO IRAQ.

>> THE PRESIDENT'S INABILITY TONEGOTIATE A FORCES AGREEMENT IN

IRAQ, WHICH HAS PUT US IN THISSITUATION WE'RE IN TODAY.

>> PRESIDENT OBAMA MADE APOLITICAL DECISION, A CAMPAIGN

PROMISE DECISION, NOT ASTRATEGIC VISION DECISION.

>> HE SIMPLY DIDN'T LIVE UP TOHIS PROMISES OF MORE ARMS AND A

DIPLOMATIC SURGE.

>> THANK YOU, PRESIDENT OBAMA.

GREAT JOB, DUDE.

>> Stephen: YEAH.

GREAT JOB, DUDE.

OPERATION PARTY FOUL.

NEXT KEG IS ON YOU, PRESIDENTBROSEPH.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT OBAMA WASTHINKING WHEN GEORGE W. BUSH

SIGNED THE TROOP WITHDRAWALAGREEMENT IN 2008.

[CHEERING AND APPLAUSE]AND, YEAH, HMM, HMM, HMM.

THANKFULLY FOX NEWS KNOWS HOW TOFIX THIS SITUATION.

>> WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING.

>> WE'VE GOT DO SOMETHING ABOUTIT.

>> WHEN IS THE PRESIDENT GOINGTO DO SOMETHING.

>> HE'S GOT DO SOMETHING.

I MEAN, HE CAME OUT TODAY ANDSAID HE MIGHT DO SOMETHING IN

IRAQ.

HE'S GOT DO SOMETHING.

>> Stephen: YES.

THAT'S EXACTLY IT.

YES.

[CHEERING AND APPLAUSE]YES.

THAT IS EXACTLY THE THING WEHAVE TO DO.

SOME.

I SAY WE JUST FIGHT THE BAD GUYSBY HELPING THE GOOD GUYS.

AND THE GOOD GUYS ARE EASY TOFIND THANKS TO THIS HANDY CHART

OF THE INVOLVED PARTIES.

OKAY.

LET'S JUST JUMP RIGHT INTO THISFREAKY 13 WAY.

ALL RIGHT.

I SAY WE FIGHT ISIS BY SENDINGARMS TO THEIR MORTAL ENEMIES,

HEZBOLLAH.

OKAY.

HEZBOLLAH IS NO GOOD.

SO LET'S HELP WHOEVER ISFIGHTING THEM, AL QAEDA.

NO.

OKAY.

THAT DEFINITELY RINGS A BELL.

LET'S HELP AL QAEDA'S NEMESISINSTEAD, BASHAR AL-ASSAD

OOH.

OH, OH, A LITTLE TOOGASSY-HIS-OWN-PEOPLE-Y.

LET'S HELP THE SYRIAN REBELSFIGHTING HIM.

HOW ABOUT THOSE GUYS INAL-NUSRA.

I'M BEING TOLD THAT'S AL QAEDAAGAIN.

MAYBE WE SHOULD GIVE WEAPONS TOAL-NUSRA'S ENEMY, IRAN.

OKAY.

THAT'S NOT GOOD.

WE NEED FIND A WELL-ARMED,WELL-TRAINED MILITIA OUT THERE

WILLING TO FIGHT IRAN.

I KNOW, ISIS.

THOSE GUYS LOOK LIKE WINNERS.

THEY ARE KICKING ASS AND TAKINGNAMES.

[CHEERING AND APPLAUSE]HERE TO TELL ME HOW WE CAN BEST

HELP ISIS DEFEAT THEMSELVES ISTHE MANAGING EDITOR OF THE IRAQ

OIL REPORT BEN VAN HEUVELEN.

THANK YOU SO MUCH, BEN.

ALL RIGHT, BEN.

[CHEERING AND APPLAUSE]HOW BAD IS THIS SITUATION OVER

THERE?

SHOULD WE BE CONCERNED THATLEBANON IS NOW THE STABLE MIDDLE

EASTERN COUNTRY?

[LAUGHTER]>> IT'S VERY BAD.

[LAUGHTER]>> Stephen: ALL RIGHT.

THAT'S GOOD ENOUGH.

OKAY.

SO WHAT DO WE DO?

CAN WE JUST IGNORE IT?

DO WE HAVE TO PAY ATTENTION TOIT?

BECAUSE THE AMERICAN PEOPLEDIDN'T REALLY PAY ATTENTION TO

IRAQ WHEN WE STILL HAD TROOPSTHERE.

WHY SHOULD WE PAY ATTENTION NOW?

>> I THINK ONE OF THE BESTREASONS TO PAY ATTENTION IS THAT

THESE AREAS IN NORTHERN IRAQ NOWTHAT ISIS IS CONTROLLING, I

THINK IT'S NOT UNREASONABLE TODRAW ANALOGY BETWEEN WHAT

ISIS WANTS DO THERE AND WHAT THETALIBAN DID IN AFGHANISTAN PRIOR

TO 2001.

SO IN AS MUCH AS IT'S A BIGTHREAT TO COUNTRIES AROUND THE

WORLD TO HAVE A GROUP LIKE ISISCONTROLLING LARGE TERRITORY AND

MARSHALING A LOT OF RESOURCES,IT'S A THREAT TO EVERYBODY.

>> WHAT ABOUT THE OIL?

[LAUGHTER]IS THE OIL OKAY?

[LAUGHTER]ARE THEY BEING CRUEL TO THE OIL

UP THERE?

>> I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT THE OILIS ACTUALLY SAFE RIGHT NOW.

MOST OF IRAQ'S OIL PRODUCTION ISIN THE SOUTH, WHICH IS SHIA

MAJORITY.

AND ISIS IS A RADICAL SUNNIGROUP, AND THEY'RE MORE IN THE

NORTH.

SO THE OIL PRODUCTION IS NOTAFFECTED SO FAR.

>> Stephen: CAN'T WE SIT BACK,LIKE YOU DUMP A BUNCH OF RED

ANTS AND A BUNCH OF BLACK ANTSIN A PILE, AND YOU POUR A LITTLE

HONEY IN THE MIDDLE, AND YOUJUST MAKE THEM FIGHT.

CAN'T WE JUST DO THAT?

WHY DO WE HAVE TO STICK OUR BIGTOE BACK IN THERE?

[LAUGHTER]>> WELL, I THINK IF WE DON'T

STICK OUR BIG TOE BACK IN THEREAT LEAST IN TERMS OF INTERVENING

DIPLOMATICALLY AT THE VERY LEASTTO AFFECT SOME POLITICAL CHANGE

IN IRAQ, THEN THAT'S EXACTLYWHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.

IT'S GOING TO BE A TERRIBLEHUMANITARIAN CATASTROPHE WITH

MILITIAS AND...

>> Stephen: HUMANITARIAN, BUTIT'S HUMANI-THEM-IAN, YOU KNOW?

DON'T THEY HAVE IT COMING?

DO YOU KNOW THE NAMES WE'VE HADTO MEMORIZE OVER HERE WITH

THOSE PEOPLE? ALL THE ALS, BINS,AND ABDULS AND ALL THAT STUFF.

I DON'T HAVE ANY ROOM.

I DELETED THOSE NAMES AND FILLEDIT WITH PEOPLE FROM THE UKRAINE

I CAN'T PAY ATTENTION TO ITANYMORE.

HAVEN'T WE PAID OUR PRICE?

[APPLAUSE]HOW BAD, THIS GUY, THIS

AL-BAGHDADI GUY, HE'S WILLING TOGO FURTHER THAN

ANYBODY ELSE IS MYUNDERSTANDING.

THAT'S WHY HE MAY NOT HAVEENJOYED THE SUPPORT ON THE

STREET WITH SUNNIS.

HOW BAD IS THIS CAT?

>> HE'S A REALLY, TRULY,HORRIBLE, EVIL PERSON.

JUST YESTERDAY THERE WEREREPORTS STILL UNCONFIRMED BUT

CREDIBLE THAT HE ORDERED THEEXECUTION OF THOUSANDS OF

CAPTURED IRAQI TROOPS.

SO HE'S A TERRIBLE PERSON.

>> Stephen: IS HE THE KEYSERSOZE OF THE MIDDLE EAST.

>> THAT MIGHT BE FAIR TO SAY.

[LAUGHTER]>> Stephen: WELL, THANKS FOR

ALL THE CHEERFUL NEWS.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

BEN VAN HEUVELEN.

[CHEERING AND APPLAUSE]THE IRAQ OIL REPORT.

WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.

>> Stephen: WELCOME BACK,EVERYBODY.

NATION, FOLKS, YOU KNOW, OURFIRST BLACK PRESIDENT'S FIRST

BLACK ECONOMY CONTINUES TO LETDOWN MY FRIENDS IN THE AFRICAN

AMERICAN AMERICAN COMMUNITY.

[LAUGHTER]THE INCOME GAP BETWEEN BLACKS

AND WHITES CONTINUES TO GROW,AND BLACK COLLEGE GRADUATES ARE

TWICE AS LIKELY AS THEIR PEERSTO BE UNEMPLOYED.

EVEN WORSE, THEIR UNITED COLLEGEFUND STILL CALLS THEM NEGROES.

COME ON!

NOW, WHEN BARACK OBAMA WASELECTED PRESIDENT, WE WERE

PROMISED THAT RACISM WAS OVER,BUT FOR SOME REASON IT STILL

EXISTS.

I BLAME THE MEXICANS.

[LAUGHTER]JUST TO SHOW YOU HOW BAD RACISM

STILL IS, THIS MONTH'S ATLANTICMAGAZINE IS ONE OF THE

FASTEST-SELLING ISSUES IN ITSHISTORY THANKS TO MY GUEST,

TA-NEHESIA COATES, ENTITLED "THECASE FOR REPARATIONS."

REPARATIONS?

WHAT HAPPENED TO FORGIVE ANDFORGET?

WHITE PEOPLE HAVE DONE THESECOND PART.

NOW, LUCKILY, I THINK WE HAVEFOUND THE CURE TO RACISM THANKS

TO A NEW STUDY PUBLISHED IN THEPROCEEDINGS OF THE NATIONAL

ACADEMY OF SCIENCES OR PNES. THESTUDY WAS ON RACIAL PERCEPTION.

SCIENTISTS CREATED A SPECTRUM OFFACES RANGING FROM WHITE TO

BLACK, ALSO KNOWN AS THOMASJEFFERSON'S FAMILY TREE.

[LAUGHTER]BEFORE VIEWING ANY FACES IN THIS

SPECTRUM, SUBJECTS WERE PRIMEDTO THINK ABOUT SCARCITY BY THE

SLIT-SECOND PROJECTION OFSUCH WORDS AS "SCARCE,"

"SPARSE" OR "LIMITED." THOSEPRIMED TO THINK ABOUT

SCARCE OR LIMITED RESOURCES WEREMUCH MORE

LIKELY TO SEE SOMEONE WITH FEWAFRICAN FACIAL FEATURES AS

BLACK. WHEN THE WHITE SUBJECTSWERE

SHOWN TWO FACIAL IMAGES AND TOLDTO DIVVY

UP $15, THEY CONSISTENTLYSHORTED THE BLACK IMAGE WITH $7

OR LESS.

TO RECAP: WHEN MONEY IS SCARCE,WHITE PEOPLE THINK EVERYONELOOKS

BLACK AND THEN WON'T GIVE THEMANY MONEY, CONFIRMING RESULTS

FIRST PUBLISHED IN PAUL RYAN'SBUDGET.

[CHEERING AND APPLAUSE]NATION, THIS STUDY PROVES WHITE

PEOPLE DON'T DISCRIMINATEBECAUSE WE'RE RACIST.

WE DO IT BECAUSE WE'RE WORRIEDABOUT ECONOMIC SCARCITY, WHICH

MEANS THERE IS A SIMPLE WAY TOERADICATE RACISM IN AMERICA:

GIVE WHITE PEOPLE MORE MONEY.

THAT'S WHY, THAT'S THE REASONCONSERVATIVES WANT TO CUT TAXES

FOR THE WEALTHY. WE'RE TRYINGHEAL A WOUNDED

NATION AND MAYBE FINALLYREACH MARTIN LUTHER KING'S

MOUNTAINTOP, WHICH IN THIS CASEIS A PILE OF MONEY.

WHEN WE COME BACK, I WILL ASK MYGUEST TA-NEHISI COATES FOR $10.

[CHEERING AND APPLAUSE]>> Stephen: MY GUEST TONIGHT

IS A JOURNALIST WHO BELIEVESIT'S TIME TO PAY REPARATIONS TO

BLACK PEOPLE.

REPARATIONS?

I GOT TO FIX THEIR AIRCONDITIONING NOW?

PLEASE WELCOME TA-NEHESICOATES.

[CHEERING AND APPLAUSE]HEY, GOOD SEE YOU, TA-NEHISI.

>> THANKS FOR HAVING ME.

>> Stephen: THANKS FOR COMINGBACK.

MR. COATES, GOOD TO SEE YOUAGAIN.

THANKS FOR BEING HERE.

>> THANKS FOR HAVING ME.

>> Stephen: I'M MAD AT YOU,MAN.

>> ALL RIGHT.

>> Stephen: I'LL TELL THEPEOPLE. YOU ARE

THE NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT FOR"THE ATLANTIC."

AND AUTHOR OF THIS MONTH'S COVERSTORY "THE CASE FOR

REPARATIONS."

YOU HAVE IT RIGHT THERE.

>> I DO HAVE IT RIGHT HERE.

>> Stephen: IT'S A BRACING15,000-WORD ARGUMENT TALKING

ABOUT SLAVERY, JIM CROW,DISCRIMINATIONS THAT COME UP TO

THIS VERY DAY.

>> RIGHT.

>> Stephen: DO YOU THINK THEBEST WAY TO HEAL THE NATION

IS TO BUM PEOPLE OUT?

[LAUGHTER]BECAUSE THIS IS WELL ARGUED.

I CAN UNDERSTAND IT, AND I DON'TWANT TO UNDERSTAND IT.

>> RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT.

>> Stephen: MAKE YOUR CASE TOTHE GOOD PEOPLE OUT THERE AND

UNDERSTAND, SOME OF THESE PEOPLEARE NOT WHITE.

SO DON'T BE MAD AT THEM.

>> I WROTE THAT WITH THAT INMIND.

>> Stephen: IT'S NOT JUST FORWHITE PEOPLE.

DIDN'T KNOW.

BECAUSE IT'S KIND OF AN ATTACK.

>> OKAY.

WELL, I THINK IT'S OUR HISTORY.

AND I DO THINK IT'S NECESSARYTO BUM PEOPLE OUT SOMETIMES TO

HEAL PEOPLE.

YOU GO TO THE DOCTOR AND MAYBEYOU HAVE A KNEE INJURY AND

YOU'RE NOT SURE WHAT IT IS.

YOU KNOW, IT'S BETTER TO KNOWTHAT YOU TORE SOMETHING THAN FOR

THE DOCTOR TO TELL YOU, OH, IT'SGOING TO BE ALL RIGHT.

>> Stephen: THAT'S WHATANAESTHESIA IS FOR.

>> BUT WE HAVE TO KNOW WHAT'SWRONG IN ORDER FOR THERE TO BE

ANY HEALING IN THE FIRST PLACE.

BUT WHAT GOOD DOESREPARATIONS DO?

ARE WE TALKING ABOUTDISTRIBUTING MONEY?

>> PROBABLY SO.

>> Stephen: OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

SO HOW MUCH MONEY IS IT GOING TOTAKE...

[LAUGHTER]TO... I HAVE SOME RIGHT HERE.

I'LL JUST PICK ONE BLACK GUY,I'LL GIVE HIM A CHECK, AND I'LL

BE A MODEL FOR EVERYBODY ELSE.

HOW MUCH ARE WE TALKING ABOUTHERE, TA-NEHISI?

>> WELL, WE DON'T ACTUALLY KNOW.

BUT I WILL TAKE A CHECK ONBEHALF OF MYSELF.

>> Stephen: ALL RIGHT.

ALL RIGHT.

THIS IS TO MAKE THE DISCUSSIONGO AWAY.

>> NO, NO, NO.

THIS IS HUSH MONEY.

>> JUST FOR TONIGHT.

>> Stephen: I GAVE YOU A FRUITPLATE BACKSTAGE.

THAT'S ALL YOU GET TONIGHT.

PEOPLE KNOW THAT SLAVERYHAPPENED AND I'M AGAINST IT.

JIM CROW, BAD.

YOU ALSO TALK ABOUT RECENTPRACTICES LIKE REDLINING

NEIGHBORHOODS, NOT ALLOWINGBLACK PEOPLE TO MOVE INTO THOSE

NEIGHBORHOODS.

BLACK PEOPLE BEING BASICALLYCHEATED IN THEIR MORTGAGES AND

HAVING THEIR HOUSES TAKEN AWAYFROM THEM.

>> WELL, WE HAVE TWO PROBLEMS.

ANY TIME YOU SAY THE WORD"REPARATION," PEOPLE THINK

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE WHOARE LONG DEAD.

IN FACT, THERE ARE PEOPLE WHOARE ALIVE WHO HAVE BEEN

DISADVANTAGED AND INJURED BYPOLICIES DONE IN OUR NAME

AND THAT DAMAGE DOESN'T GO AWAYWHEN WE DON'T TALK ABOUT IT.

NEW THINGS HAPPEN THAT ARECOMPILED ON TOP OF THAT DAMAGE,

SO SEGREGATION IN A CITY LIKECHICAGO, A NORTHERN CITY

PEOPLE DON'T REALLY THINK ABOUTNORTHERN CITIES BEING

SEGREGATED, BUT SEGREGATION IN ACOMMUNITY LIKE CHICAGO CREATES A

COMMUNITY OF PEOPLE WHO ARE RIPETO BE PLUNDERED WHEN PEOPLE ARE

LOOKING TO PEDDLE THINGS LIKEBAD LOANS FOR INSTANCE.

>> YOU SAY FROM COLONIAL DAYS UPUNTIL NOW, A GREAT DEAL OF

WEALTH IN THE UNITED STATES HASBEEN BUILT ON THE BACKS OF

DISADVANTAGED AND BLACK PEOPLE.

>> AND NOT EVEN OUR WEALTH AS ACOUNTRY, BUT LIKE OUR POLICIES,

OUR SOCIAL SAFETY NET, THE WAYWE THINK ABOUT HOUSING IN THIS

COUNTRY, SOCIAL SECURITY, THEG.I. BILL.

THESE THINGS WOULD NOT HAVE BEENPOSSIBLE UNLESS WE MADE CERTAIN

COMPROMISES WITHWHITE SUPREMACISTS TO BE HONEST

>> Stephen: ARE THERE OTHERINJURED GROUPS OTHER THAN

BLACK PEOPLE? SHOULDN'T YOU GETIN LINE BEHIND THE INDIANS?

>> POSSIBLY.

>> Stephen: IT'S A SHORT LINE.

THERE AREN'T MANY OF THEM LEFT.HEY, WHAT ABOUT THIS?

WHAT IF WE GAVE YOU GUYSCASINOS?

>> THAT WASN'T MY JOKE.

I DON'T WANT ANY PART OF IT.

THAT'S ALL YOU.

>> Stephen: YOU HAVE A VERYWELL-ARGUED, JUST EXHAUSTIVELY

RESEARCHED ARTICLE HERE, BUT YOUDON'T HAVE SOLVENCY AT THE END

OF THE ARTICLE.

YOU DON'T SAY THIS IS HOWWE'LL DO THE REPARATIONS.

WHAT'S THE MECHANISM?

>> WELL, THE MECHANISM, AS I SAYIN THE ARTICLE IS HR40, THE BILL

THAT JOHN CONYERS INTRODUCESEVERY YEAR, SAYS WE SHOULD

STUDY THE ISSUE.

IT'S LIKE SAYING WE SHOULD STUDYIT IS NOT VERY GRATIFYING.

YOU WANT A SPECIFIC NUMBER,WRITE THE CHECK...

>> Stephen: OR JUST STUDY ANDGO NO FURTHER.

>> RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT.

THE IDEA OF STUDYING BEFORE YOUDO IT IS NOT ACTUALLY NEW.

>> Stephen: I GO FROM THE GUT.

DO I WANT TO GIVE YOU ANY OF MYMONEY?

NO.

THAT'S MY GUT.

I STUDIED MY GUT ON THAT ONE.

>> THERE IT IS.

THERE IT IS.

[APPLAUSE]THAT'S GOOD POLICY, BUT IN THE

CASE OF JAPANESE-AMERICANS, WEDID THE SAME THING.

WE HAD A STUDY BEFORE WE CUT ACHECK.

>> Stephen: WELL, IT'S A MUCHSMALLER GROUP OF PEOPLE.

IT IS.

IT'S SMALLER GROUP OF PEOPLE, SOTHE DAMAGE IS LESS AND THE

SPECIFIC MOMENT OF HURTING THEMIS SO CONTAINED IN THE... IT

STARTS WITH SLAVERY AND...

>> WHAT IF WE JUST TOOK IT FROM1860.

>> Stephen: WE GET A MULLIGANON SLAVERY.

>> RIGHT.

>> Stephen: THAT'S TEMPTING.

THAT'S NOT A BAD IDEA.

CUT YOUR LOSSES ON SLAVERY.

>> WE COULD DO JIM CROW.

HOW ABOUT WE JUST DO 20thCENTURY CRIMES.

>> WE'LL JUST DO LYNCHING,HOUSING SEGREGATION, EMPLOYMENT

SEGREGATION, SOCIAL SECURITY,G.I. BILL...

>> Stephen: STEALING JAZZ,ROCK 'N' ROLL AND RAP.

>> VANILLA ICE.

>> Stephen: EXACTLY.

WELL, GOOD LUCK.

TA-NEHISI COATES. LET ME SEETHIS.

"THE ATLANTIC."

WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.

>> Stephen: THAT'S IT FOR "THEREPORT," EVERYBODY.

GOOD NIGHT.