Franchesca Ramsey gives her stunned take on Kanye West's "Famous" video, and Larry discusses cultural appropriation with Vic Mensa, Rory Albanese and Robin Thede.
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Welcome to The Nightly Show.
(audience chanting "Larry")
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Thank you. So kind.
You're so kind.
You know last night?
We just did that the whole show.
I didn't even get to a joke.
You go, "It was good, but Ithink we did all the work.
I don't know."Mm-hmm.
Well, here... oh, man...June, all right.
June has always beena proud month
for the LGBT community.
This week alone,
uh, marriage equalityturned a year old.
(applause and cheering)
Also, President Obamanamed The Stonewall Inn
a national monument.
And, and at New York Pride,
Hillary Clinton marched along--
marched among rainbow flags,
which, if you think about it,
hold as many different colors
as Hillary has held differentpositions on gay rights.
So... it kind of...fits there, right?
So, with this outpouring of lovefor the LGBT community,
I was surprisedto see this on social media.
was trending on Twitter.
I mean, I've heard of otheroffensive attempts to co-opt
a minority experience, right,like "men's rights."
"All lives matter,"
or Panda Express, but...
Look, I tell you what,let me just say this to anybody
who genuinely celebratesHeterosexual Pride Day.
#Shut The (bleep) Up.
Just stop it.
Doesn't make sense.
Just stop it.
Oh, oh, and speakingof gay issues, the Pope...
...y-yes, the Popemade news this week
when he weighed inon the Church's attitude
Now, let me... the-- this guy
really seems to be takingthose papal robes off lately.
Um... I think we need a new way
to describe what's going onat the Vatican, so, all right.
It's time for The UnPopening.
Pope Francis is speaking outagain in support of gay people.
The Pope says the CatholicChurch owes an apology
to gay individuals and otherswho have been mistreated.
(applause and cheering)
Although, it is weird thathistory's most gay friendly pope
is the only one not to weara giant jeweled hat
and ruby slippers, um...
Just putting that out there.
But this guy's the Pope.
I mean, if he thinksthe Catholic Church
should apologize,then with a wave
of his Pope wand or whatever,
uh, he can just changeChurch doctrine, right?
No, it doesn't change,but what changes is tone
and tone is very important.
It-it-it may be as importantas doctrine.
That's right, you guys.
It's just the tonethat's going to change.
So here's how...It's going to go from...
"Gay people will burn in hellfor all eternity" to...
(high-pitched):"Gay people will burn in hell
for all eternity."
-(whooping, applause)-See? It's different.
(normal voice): It's amazinghow different that sounds.
(high-pitched):Man, helium's stronger
than what it used to be.
I don't thinkthis helium's been cut.
(normal voice):Oh, my God.
Whoo! Oh, my God.
Now, as always,every papal action
has a woefully misguidedreaction.
Enter Catholic Lea...Catholic League president,
Do you feel like apologizing
-to the LGBT community?-No. No, as a matter of fact,
I want an apology from gays.
You want gay peopleto apologize to you? For what?
What? I mean,what, were you beat up
by a bunch of lesbiansor something?
I blame the people who wereat a parade, a protest parade,
who watched me be assaultedby lesbians.
I mean, yes!
Oh, my God!
Wait, how did I miss that?
By the way, "watch Bill Donohueget assaulted by lesbians"
is the least popular categoryon PornHub.
I just thoughtI would point that out.
Just not a lot of demandfor some reason on that site.
World Star, different story.
Thank you very much, World Star.World Star, thank you very much.
And Donohue isclearly still concussed
from this supposed,uh, lesbian assault,
because, uh, he went onto make this comparison
when the topicof gay marriage came up.
I'm against Muslim madmen whokill innocent people in Orlando.
-Okay?-But that's fine.
But first of all,why do you equate
being gay and wanting to marry
with being a terroristin Orlando?
Because you asked meabout what am I opposed to.
I'm opposed to thingsthat people do wrong.
-WOMAN: Oh, man.-Hmm...
So that's your pointof comparison for gay people--
the Orlando shooter.
You know that's nota good analogy, right?
That's like the Orlando shooterof analogies.
Mm, see?Now, that's a good analogy.
Now, as a Catholic, I wantto believe the Catholic Church
when they say the tone ischanging-- that's a good thing.
But as long as there are guyslike Bill Donohue,
I've got to start...you know, they've got to start
changing minds and doctrinesand not just tone.
Oh. And something else
about this whole storyjust struck me as interesting.
NEWSMAN: These wide-ranging, off-the-cuff press conferences
on board his papal flights have become
a sort of signature of Pope Francis.
Okay, the best thingabout a papal flight?
No (bleep) snakes.
They don't belongon (bleep) planes, you guys.
So, the Pope loveshis airborne press conferences.
And we actually were ableto reach someone
who's at one right now.
So for more details onthe Pope's historic statement,
let's go live nowto Pope Francis's plane
with Vatican PR liaison,Cardan Jorlos.
-Ciao. Ciao, Larry, ciao.-(cheering, applause)
-Ciao, ciao. Ciao. Ciao.-Hi, Cardan.
Cardan, so, thank youfor video-chatting
-Yes.-with me from the plane.
I understand you werealso with the Pope
when he madehis groundbreaking statement
-about homosexuality, right?-Oh, th-that's right.
I'm honored to have beena witness to history.
-Yeah.-But to be honest, His Holiness
does that sort of thingon every flight.
-Yes. -You sound likeSidney Poitier a little.
-Yes.-Uh... oh, really?
-What? Who?-That's interesting.
-Yeah. Yes.-I didn't... Yeah.
When he first boards the planehe's very serious,
-Uh-huh. -and then he throws ona pair of Yeezy Boosts, and...
then he shotguns two tinybottles of Limoncello, you see.
-That's what he does.-Really?
And then, uh, that's whenPlane Pope comes out, you know?
Wait. Plane Pope?
Yes. Yes. Plane Pope.
And-and Plane Popedoesn't hold anything back, no.
Okay, hold on.So... so Plane Pope
-Yes. -is what explainswhy he says these things
that seem to go againstnormal Church doctrine?
-Ah, yes, exactly.-What?
That's when the real fun beginsat 30,000 feet.
-Really?-It's... that's when he switches
to Tito's Vodka on the rocks.
-Wow. Really?-Yes. Yes.
-So he kind of loosens up.-Yes, after of couple of those
-Uh-huh.-holy spirits, he starts, uh...
He makes in-flight announcementsafter that.
Actually,he's-he's doing one right now.
His Eminence, yes.Go, please. Check this out.
(Italian accent):I don't understand, ah?
Why can't a woman be the Pope?
I mean, uh, the patriarchy,it's no good.
I thought the Popewas from Argentina.
-He's got, like...an Italian accent -Well...
-or something. -y-yes,but, you know, uh, when in Rome.
-Okay, all right, all right.-Yes.
Got it, got it.
-(whooping, applause)-Okay. But hold on. But hold on.
I heard him saya woman should be Pope.
Now, is thatreally gonna be a thing?
(chuckling):Of course not, you know.
He's-he's just puttingsome tone out there, you know?
We call it, uh, workshopping.
In the jazz worldit's known as scatting.
-Yes. -So allowing a womaninto the Vatican
-is just scatting? He's just...-Oh, yes.
♪ Women are equal to men,scooby dooby bah bah bah. ♪
You know, he's...you know, he's...
What? Yes.♪ Do-do-do-do-do.
He's-he's pope-provising,you know?
Oh, he's pope... he's...
I said it once, I say it again,
I apologize to the gays,to the Muslims,
to the gay Muslims,
I apologize to Tom Bradyfor the deflat-a-gat.
Uh, big shout-outto black people.
You should all getreparations, ah?
Does he mean that?
♪ Biddy biddy bop bop. No.
It's just, uh... No.
(chuckles)Ooh. Just more tone.
-Mm-hmm. -♪ Tone tone tonetone tone. ♪ You know.
You know, uh,tone-y, tone-y, tone-y.
You know, it's... it's mere tonethat sets the stage
for possible change,vis-a-vis reparations.
Okay, so... so none of thismeans anything?
It doesn't... it doesn'tnot mean something.
-Right.-You know, sometimes he gives
-very helpful in-flightannouncements. -Really?
He'll tell us whenour tray tables should be
in their fulland upright position,
and you haven't lived untilyou have seen the Holy Father
mime inflating a life vest,oh, you know...
-Wait. Here comes anannouncement. -Yeah. Oh, okay.
Attenzione, everybody...Uh, is... is this thing on?
Tonight's in-flight movie, The Dirty Grandpa,
Il Papa Ass-a-hole-y, ah,
will begin a-shortly.
Uh, uh, and by the way,what a-happened to De Niro, ah?
First, he's the bull that rages,
next thing, he's the internfor Anne Hathaway?
Is no good. Is no good.
He... he does make a good pointabout De Niro.
-Yes, he's... he's fallen a bit.Yes. -He does. Yeah.
Okay, so, so,do you think the Pope's views
will ever actually make itinto Church doctrine?
Oh, that is a... that isa good one, Larry Wilmore.
Th-The Pope will jointhe mile-high club
-before this happens. -CardanJorlos, ladies and gentlemen.
-We'll be right back.-(cheering, applause)
All right. Welcome back,welcome back, welcome back.
Now, in many ways, social mediais a brutally honest reflection
of today's culture,for better or for worse.
Now, here to examine whatsocial media got right and wrong
this week is Nightly Show contributor Franchesca Ramsey
with her new segmentHash it Out Franches...
-♪ -(cheering, applause)
So, this past weekend Kanye West
dropped the music videofor his song "Famous."
In it, Kanye West lays in bedwith creepily realistic
wax replicas of celebrities,including Taylor Swift,
Rihanna, Chris Brown,Amber Rose, Donald Trump,
Caitlyn Jenner and Bill Cosby.
and they're all butt-ass naked.
Now, they'resupposed to be asleep,
but to me it justlooks like a crime scene.
But, as they say,Kanye's gonna Kanye.
But his delusional fans werequick to defend the video
with tweets like these.
"The 'Famous' videoby Kanye West
is (bleep) art."
"Why are peopleshaming this video?
It is art!"
"With your famous videois one of the most valuable
pieces of art in our time."
The most valuablepiece of art in our time?
I'm guessing you've neverseen an Andy Warhol,
Georgia O'Keeffeor Jackson Pollock?
If you think this video is art,I've got an old copy of Hustler
and an episode of Forensic Files
that willblow your (bleep) mind.
And to add insult to injury,
this garbage videoisn't even original.
"This scene is inspiredby Vincent Desiderio.
Gotta appreciatethe risk and vision."
Risk and vision?
Sure, risky because Kanye's assis probably getting sued.
But vision? He just copiedsomeone else's work.
Hey, HBO, I've got a completelyoriginal idea for you.
It's called Throne of Games.
Trust me, totally mine.
Sure, technically, this videocould be considered art.
But just because it's artdoesn't mean it isn't awful.
Kind of like your nephew'smacaroni self-portrait.
I don't careif you're in preschool, kid,
working with rigatonimakes you a douche.
Not to mention,art can be criticized.
Oh, and criticize it I will.
This video is grosson so many levels.
It's so misogynistic.
It's not new or creativeto exploit women's bodies.
There are tons of wax titsin this video
but whereare the wax dicks, Kanye?
technically,Trump is a wax dick,
-so you do have one.-(cheering, applause)
I'll give it to you.
Then you've got Rihannanext to Chris brown.
You know, that dudethat, uh, abused her?
And let's not forget the videohas multiple naked women in bed
with an alleged serial rapist.
That's right, (bleep),we haven't forgotten about you.
To top it off,this masterpiece was made
without anyof these people's consent,
which is so hypocritical.
Kanye, you know how valuableyour public image is.
Hell, you didn't like itwhen an Australian artist
did a mural of youmaking out with yourself.
And if I'm being totally honest,Kanye making out with Kanye
is way more plausiblethan this freaky slumber party.
Listen, Kanye, I really don'tunderstand your sick obsession
with Taylor Swift, Amber Roseor yourself, for that matter,
but this videoreally crossed the line.
I have always been a fanof your music,
but what you dowith your wax figures
in the privacy of your own homeis your business.
Just leave us out of your not sobeautiful dark twisted fantasy.
Franchesca Ramsey, everybody.
We'll be right back.(whoops)
-♪ -(cheering, applause)
Okay, welcome back.I'm here with my panel.
First up, Nightly Show contributor Rory Albanese.
And Nightly Show contributorRobin Thede.
And he's a spokesmanfor Respect My Vote,
and his new EP There's A Lot Going On is out now.
-Rapper Vic Mensa.-(cheering, applause)
And for everyone at home,join our conversation right now
on Twitter-- @NightlyShowusing the hashtag #Tonightly.
All right, so, last weekendat the BET Awards, uh,
Jesse Williams gavean electrifying speech.
Take a look.
And we're done watchingand waiting
while this invention calledwhiteness uses and abuses us,
burying black peopleout of sight and out of mind
while extracting our culture,our dollars,
our entertainment like oil,black gold.
Yeah, he dropped...he dropped a couple of mics,
and during the showJustin Timberlake
tweeted that he was inspired.And then he got trolled
by somebody who was a littlesensitive during that moment
on Twitter, and Timberlakeresponded with this tweet.
And then Twitterjust really lost its mind.
-THEDE: Yeah. -People thoughthe was being condescending,
blah, blah. Why do you thinkthere was such a big reaction
to this reaction?
Okay, so, I feel as if the issueis not Justin Timberlake
having an inputor even appreciating
what was said in the speech.I mean, that's something
-that everybody, most peoplecan resonate with. -Right.
Our problem here...our problem here
is that Justin Timberlakehimself, you know,
is definitely benefitingfrom using black culture
for his sound, his dance moves,
his dancersand blowing up off of it.
But if you roll downJustin Timberlake's Twitter
for the past two years,which I just did,
you see nothingthat supports black people
when it's more difficult,when there's a struggle.
You know, with everythingthat's gone on
and everybody that's been killedby police on camera
in the past couple years--there's no #BlackLivesMatter.
-There's no"praying for Baltimore." -Right.
There's no "praying for Flint."
You know? Becausethat's a dangerous subject
for him to touch.
And we're not feeling himbeing down
when it's beneficial to him,
and turning a blind eyewhen it could be dangerous.
And did you feel likethat was, um...?
(applause and cheering)
Did it feelthat was the underlying feeling
with that kind of battlethat was going on?
'Cause Jesse's speech hada lot of that in there
about cultural appropriation.
THEDE:Yes, and it was
-really powerful, you know.-Right.
And I think,you know, part of it,
Justin just caught black peopleat a bad moment.
Like, we were so hypedoff that speech.
-WILMORE: Yeah. -We had neverheard anything like that.
It was like when I wentto go see 12 Years a Slave...
WILMORE: It's like,"This is the BET Awards."
We didn't knowwhite people were watching."
-Ah. -No, they weren't,but it was like,
when I went to go see 12 Years a Slave,
I left the movie theatre,a white man opened the door,
and I was like,"Too little, too late, sir."
-WILMORE: Oh, man.-ALBANESE: Ah.
-You know, I was, like...-Wow.
-You just get hyped,and you feel so right. -Right.
But not... You know what it was?
That happened to me with Wolf of Wall Street, by the way.
-Yeah? Yeah. -I fired twostockbrokers after that movie.
Not the... not the same?
-No, it's not the same.-Not really.
-Just trying to relate.-Yeah. -Not the same.
-Sorry. Just trying to relate.-No. That's fair.
No but I think, you know,it was his follow-up tweet
where he said,"We're all the same."
-WILMORE: Mm-hmm.-Just after Jesse had said,
"We're not being treatedthe same." -WILMORE: Right.
You know, it was like, you can't"All Lives Matter" us,
and then also be inspiredby his speech, you know.
-You know? -Mm-hmm.Do you feel like that's
a feelingthat's out there right now?
Because his speech had a lotof different aspects to it.
But culturalappropriations part--
did it feel likethat was just a Twitter beef,
or that's a real feelingthat's out there right now?
MENSA:I mean, Twitter
-is just representing whatpeople are thinking. -Mm-hmm.
That's where we can, stream ofconsciousness express ourselves.
-People are tired atthis point... -WILMORE: Right.
...of just being used.
Is there any partof black culture
that seems safeto appropriate,
and some that doesn't?
Just... I'm just tryingto help Rory out. Like...
I mean, I'd be, like,for Timberlake,
just being a white guyand trying
to get involved in thisis a mistake.
-I'm learning that immediately.Um... -(laughter)
No. I think that the thing that,
to me,it makes perfect sense is, like,
the black communityhas been ostracized
since the beginning of timein this country, obviously.
And we've not invited themto the party the entire time.
And they've created their ownworld, their own culture and all
these things they have to dowhen they weren't invited.
-WILMORE: Undecided.-And now they've created
these awesome thingswithin that culture.
And we're like, "Oh, we'll takethat, we'll take that and..."
-Right. -And it's like, "No.(bleep) you. Like, you can't
take the good (bleep) and ignoreus on every other issue."
-WILMORE AND THEDE: Right.-I totally get
why people were pissedabout that.
But when doesappropriation stop,
and when does something justbecome part of the culture?
'Cause there's a lotof young white kids who...
that's all they know. That'sthe music.... -That's just...
-Yeah, but... -...andthe culture that they know.
They don't see itas appropriation, right?
But they don't wantto appropriate
-the voter suppression...-Right. That's what I'm saying.
...and predatory loansand job discrimination.
You don't wantto appropriate that stuff.
-WILMORE: The bad stuff. Right.-ALBANESE: Right. -(applause)
ALBANESE:It's like... It's, uh...
It's, um... it's like aselective appropriation.
-Absolutely. -It's likeselecting the things that are...
-WILMORE: But who would wantto appropriate that? -Well...
THEDE: But that's the thing.But that's the thing.
-You're in or out. You knowwhat I mean? -Thank you.
-That's what I'm saying.-You can't take what
-you like and let... you know...-WILMORE: He also talked about
critique, and I want to showthis other part of this speech
that Jesse was talking about.
Can we show that real quick?
If you have a critique for theresistance, for our resistance,
then you better havean established record
-of critique of our oppression.-(applause and cheering)
If you have no interest...
If you have no interest inequal rights for black people,
then do not make suggestionsto those who do. Sit down.
-(applause and cheering)-Let me tell you something.
-He was keeping it 1,000.-THEDE: Yeah, he was.
-THEDE: Sit down, son.-Sit down.
Sit down until you show usthat you care.
Don't give us any...don't tell us...
-WILMORE: Yeah.-THEDE: Right.
...(bleep) unlessyou show us you care.
-And listen, you can't get awaywith (bleep) today, man. -Man.
-No, but the truth is, islike... -No, 'cause guess what?
-you don't have to tweet that,Justin Timberlake. -Yeah.
He could have said everythinghe was inspired about.
-THEDE: Right.-And then we'd have been cool.
-(laughter) -Well, I thinkthat ironically one of the...
the mediums that serve to dividewith appropriation music,
I think, is the same mediumthat can help bring us together,
'cause music is oneof those forces.
-MENSA: Right.-ALBANESE: Mm-hmm.
...that does bring a lotof people together.
-THEDE: Absolutely. -Sowe'll see. We'll be right back.
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