April 4, 2016 - Mike Epps

  • 04/04/2016

Mississippi celebrates Confederate Heritage Month, and Larry discusses the race-based casting controversy surrounding "Hamilton" with Mike Epps, Rory Albanese and Robin Thede.

Ooh, yes!Thank you very much.

-AUDIENCE: Larry! Larry!-Oh, my God.

-What a crowd. Yes!-AUDIENCE: Larry! Larry! Larry!

Thank you.Please have a seat.

-Please. You're so kind. You'reso kind. -(chanting continues)

Welcome to The Nightly Show.

-I am Larry Wilmore.-(applause and cheering)

Guys, actorand comedian Mike Epps

is on the panel tonight,you guys.

-(applause and cheering)-Very excited about that.

So, tonight...

tonight is our first night backfrom a week off.

Man, I missed you guys.I missed you.

-(applause and cheering)-I did.

And, uh... oh,and before we get started,

we have to talkabout March Madness, right?



The explosion always surprisesme every time, you know.

So the championship gameis tonight.

Now, we shot the showbefore the game,

so we don't know who won yet,

but it's downto Villanova and North Carolina.

Now in "Dare" terms,that means hosting

as my '70s alter ego Soul Daddy,

versus starting a Twitter battlewith Kanye, all right?

(laughter,applause and cheering)

Yeah, man. That's right.If North Carolina wins,

I'll be coming for Kanye harderthan his debt collectors.

-That's right. That's right.-(applause and cheering)

That's right, Kanye.Doing it already.

Man, I still can't believe

that North Carolinabeat out Syracuse.

I mean... (groans)

It was a major upset,not seed-wise, but Dare-wise.

I mean,I was really looking forward

to hosting the show drunk.

-(laughter)-I really was.

But then I remembered, hold on.

It's my damn show.

I don't need a Syracuse winexcuse to host it drunk.

-I'll just, uh...-(cheering)

I'll just pour myself...

AUDIENCE:Larry! Larry.

I can just pour myselfa little whiskey.

AUDIENCE: Larry! Larry!Larry! Larry! Larry!

For the late night homiesthat ain't here.


-Mm-hmm. Uh-huh.-MAN: That's for real!

-Uh...-WOMAN: Wow.

-MAN: Whoa!-WOMAN: Ooh!


All right,let's see our first story.

And there... there's this.

The governor of Mississippi

has signed a poc...proclamation

declaring AprilConfederate Heritage Month,

but made no mention of slavery.

(audience booing)

Confederate Heritage Month?

This is not gonna do.


(cheering and applause)


(imitates comical wheezing)

Confederate Heritage Month?!

You know what?

This is surprisingbecause I assumed

that in Mississippi every monthis Confederate Heritage Month.

-(laughter)-I did not know. I didn't...

Okay, hold on a second, guys.

Can we play that clipone more time?

And there... there's this.

The governor of Mississippi

has signed a poc...proclamation...

That brother can barelyget those words out, all right?


He can't believe what's onthe teleprompter, right?

I mean,you can see his brain going,

"Just say the words, brother.

"Keep your job, brother.Keep your job.

Yeah, you know it's bull(bleep), but you got to say it."

All right, so why is Mississippidoing this now,

traumatized black anchor?

MAN: Governor-GovernorPhil Bryant's office says

he believes the state's historydeserves deflection

regardless of how unpleasant

or complicatedparts of it may be.

(audience groaningand booing)

Slavery was unpleasant?


No, slavery's not humidity.


Uh, man this slaveryis rather unpleasant today.

It's so sticky. Mm.

All right, listen, guys,the South lost.

Why are we still dealingwith this bull (bleep)?

-(applause and cheering)-Why?

I mean, you know what?

This is what Robert E. Leetold his followers to do

with their Confederate flags.

He said, "Stow it away.Put it in your attics."

Which brings usto a new segment called

Things I Never Thought I'd Say.


I agreewith the Confederate general.

This has been ThingsI Never Thought I'd say.

(laughter,applause and cheering)

It's so wrong,but I have to say, guys,

when it seems that as a peoplewe're more divided than ever,

last week there was somethingthat brought everyone together

in their shared horrorand disgust.

I'm not talkingabout Batman v Superman.


No, what really broughteveryone together

were these Trump commentsabout abortion.

-Do you believe in pun...?-No, but-but you're-you're...

Do you believein punishment for abortion--

yes or no-- as a principle?

The answer is that...

there has to be some formof punishment.

-For the woman? -Yeah,there has to be some form.


(audience groaning and booing)

I agree.

Now, usually this is the partwhere I would get angry

and curse into a bullhorn,

but, um, I thinkI'm gonna cede save my bullhorn

to a woman on this one.Here you go, Holly.

(applause and cheering)

-Go right ahead.-Thanks, Larry.


All right.

See, how does this thing work?

Okay, okay, here we go.

(bleep) that (bleep)!

(applause and cheering)

Oh. Thank you, Holly.

Holly Walker.

(applause and cheering)

Thank you, Holly.


Now, even for Trump, guys,this is pretty extreme.

So extreme that he even issueda correction.

Well, sort of.

MAN: Trump's campaign

uncharacteristically backtracking,

quickly issuing this statement,

attempting to clarify his remarks.

Within a few hours, another statement.

A complete reversal of the first, saying,

if abortion were made illegal...

No, Donald.

That's not better.

it's just more condescending.

Women have agency.Doctors aren't...

-(applause and cheering)-Right?

Doctors aren't going aroundrounding up women

and forcing themto have abortions.

"Come here. Yee-haw!Have an abortion! Yeah!"

Well, except for that one guy,which reminds me.

Don't get in Dr. Goofball'sFuntime Abortion Van, guys.

-(laughter) -That guy's notlegit, all right?

But it didn't end there.It didn't end there.

So Trump took, like,five different positions

on abortions in three days.

Five different positionsin three days.

Sounds like me last weekendat the Sandals resort.

Mm-hmm. Mm.

(applause and cheering)


(coughs)That's right, guys.

The women of Barbados are stillrecovering from Hurricane Larry.

MAN (chanting):Larry! Larry!

AUDIENCE:Larry! Larry!

-I was there alone. I was therealone. -(chanting continues)

You guys are too supportive.


Thank you very much.

Okay, so Trump managed to uniteboth sides in condemnation,

but ironically, he also exposedthe fallacy of the logic

of the side he's pretendingto be on this week.

And once that fallacywas exposed, it was hard

for anybody to take thatlogic train to Make Sense Town.

If you believe that abortion isthe taking of innocent life,

why shouldn't a woman who makesthe choice to take that life

face some kind of punishmentor sanction?

Because I think it's difficulton her to begin with.

Okay, wait, wait, wait.

So you're calling a womana murderer,

but you're forgiving herbecause it was difficult

for her to commit the murder?

That's not usually how it works.

Mr. Dahmer, you said thatafter you ate that man's penis,

-you, uh...-(laughter)

you really didsome soul-searching.

Uh... all right,no jail time for you.

Um, I can tell thishas been really difficult.

And no more eating penises!

Get outta here.

Now, over the weekend,the entire pro-life movement

made it clear thatwhen it comes to abortion,

they're looking out for women.

Who should be punishedwhen you make abortion illegal?

And the answer that pro-lifershave is never the women.

It's totally anathemato the anti-abortion line,

that we're notabout punishing women.

Of course we don't want womenprosecuted...

Of course womenshouldn't be punished.

Well, you know,it's nice for the GOP

to sa they don't want to punishwomen for having abortions,

but in fact, Governor Kasich,you already are.

Women in John Kasich's stateof Ohio have seen funding cuts,

-(applause, shouts)-uh, clinics shuttered,

and draconian restrictionsenacted, like the one

that bans rape crisis counselors

from referring women to abortion services.

(audience booing)

Now, look...

Republicans, you can sayyou're on the side of women

and you don't want themto be punished,

but every time you try to defundPlanned Parenthood

and move clinics hundreds ofmiles away from poor people...

-(applause, whooping)-and...

and enact laws that are designedsolely to shame,

you a punishing womenfor having abortions.



Trump... Donald Trump was simplythe only one to own up to it.

Well, for a couple of hoursat least.

We'll be right back.

-♪ -(cheering, applause)

Welcome back.

We now turn to Kansas,

uh, the state Kansas City isn'tentirely sure it wants to be in.

I mean, can you blame them?With Kansas facing

a half a billion dollarbudget crisis,

lawmakers decided to focuson the real problem in Kansas:

where trans high school studentsgo to the bathroom.

NEWSMAN: The Student Physical Privacy Act declares

that student restrooms, locker rooms and showers

are designated for one sex only,

and defines sex as a physical condition

determined by a person's chromosomes,

and identified at birth by a person's anatomy.

Okay, first question.

Um, why is the Kansas SenateWays and Means Committee

coming upwith definitions of sex?

Especially when no oneon the committee

is an actual scientist.

I mean, the committee literallyconsists of, among other things,

a farmer, a rancher and--no lie, you guys--

-a travel agent...-(laughter)

who... who wouldactually come in handy

if you are a trans and wantto get the hell out of Kansas.

-(laughter, applause, whooping)-It would make sense.

But the StudentPhysical Privacy Act

is the latest salvo in anationwide anti-trans backlash.

And though similar lawswere passed in North Carolina

and vetoed in Georgia,the Student Physical Privacy Act

goes even further.

NEWSWOMAN: If the bill passes,

schools would have to pay $2,500 to students

who encounter a transgender student

in the bathroom.

The bill in the senate and thehouse that have been introduced

places a $2,500 bounty

on the headsof transgender children.

The anti-LGBT bias in Kansashas also created

somethingof an economic opportunity.

So here with moreon how Jayhawks are cashing in

on government-sanctioneddiscrimination

is Kansas resident

-Slag McMasters.-(cheering, applause, whooping)


Uh... so, uh...so, Mr. McMasters,

what exactly do you do?

I'm a bathroombounty hunter, Larry.


Wait a second.

A bathroom bounty hunter?

That's right.

And right now I'm ina high school girls' bathroom.


Just lookingfor those that don't belong.

If you know what I mean.

Yeah, I think you mean you.


Hold up, Wilmore,I'm picking up a scent here.

-A scent?-(sniffs)

Oh, I smell D on this towel.


There's been a manin this bathroom!

Oh, I taste it, too.He's here.

(laughter, groans)

You are an idiot.

I'm curious.Okay, so have you identified

any trans students yet?

Not yet.Turns out most of these kids

just close the stall door--it's pretty tough.

Not to mention,to be honest, Larry,

trans really isn'tabout your body parts.

You know, it's kind ofabout what happens up here.

-But that's, you know....-(cheering, applause)

Hey, hold on a second,hold on a second.

Wait, you soundpretty progressive

for someone who wantsto collect $2,500

trying to catchhigh school kids.

-Well, I'm a bounty hunterfirst, all right? -Oh, okay.

I'm the progressive scholarsecond.

You know what I'm saying?

So, do you thinkthis law is stupid?

Yeah, man,it's definitely wrong as hell,

but it's a lot easierthan catching real criminals.

I mean, it's 2,500 bucks--

that buys a lotof shark tooth necklaces.

-You know what I'm saying?-This is ridiculous.

Why is this even an issue?Look, why are people so hung up

on who's using what bathroom?

-I don't understand.-Slow down, New York, all right?

This is the heartland, Larry--a lot of men here

haven't even accepted the factthat ladies poop, okay?

-Little bit behind.-Really?

-They're a little bit behind.-You're kidding me.

Let me tell you this,you spend two hours in here,

-you'll know that they do.-Okay, all right. All right.

-Okay, I get it, I get it.-Big-time.

All right, so... have youcollected on this bounty yet?

-I mean...-(sighs): Nope.

But that's why I'm keepingold trusty wide open.

By the way,how did you lose your eye?

It's a dark tale, Larry.

A ninth grader, she clawed at mewhen I was peering over a stall.

-(laughter)-I played a hunch, Wilmore.

I played a hunch,and the hunch was wrong.

She was right-- that's my bad,Caitlyn. Sorry about that.

Yes, she was.Slag McMasters,

bathroom bounty hunter,everybody!

-We'll be right back.-(cheering, applause)

I'm surroundedby good dancers here.

Welcome back.I'm here with my panel.

First up, Nightly Show contributor Rory Albanese.

(cheering, applause)

And Nightly Show contributorRobin Thede.

(cheering, applause)

And his new movie, Meet the Blacks,

opened April 1-- comedian-actor

-Mike Epps, you guys.-(cheering, applause)

WILMORE:Whoa, wrong way.

-Hey! That one over there!-Oh, (bleep).

-What's up, baby...?-(cheering)

And for everyone at home,

join our conversation right nowon Twitter @NightlyShow

using the hashtag #Tonightly.

Okay, so this wasan interesting story recently.

So, the smash Broadway hit Hamilton,

-which, if you haven't seen... Yeah. -(whooping, applause)

Awesome, right?The story of Alexander Hamilton,

with all of the Founding Fathersbeing played

by black and Hispanic actors.

The show came under firelast week for a casting notice

they put out that read, "Seeking

-non-white women...men and women." -WOMAN: Good.

-And, uh... (laughs) -THEDE:Exactly. Somebody said, "Good."

But they got in trouble.No, they got in trouble

for using the phrase"non-white,"

even thoughthat's what they wanted.

Got in trouble for what? Beingthe highest-grossing musical

-of all time? I don'tunderstand. -Right. Okay...

All right... And, so...All right, okay,

if you're a casting agent,what is the best way

to say "we don'twant white people"?

Uh, this is a Tyler Perry movie.

WILMORE:Is that how you say it? Okay.

That's it-- Tyler... Tyler Presents Hamilton.

-No questions asked.-Then they want to be mad.

I feel likethat's the way to do it.

Just, like, "we don'twant any white people."

Like, I don't understandwhat the problem is.

No, I-I'm being serious,'cause there has never been...

There's not reallyever been a history

of people not inviting whites,so it's, like,

a nice change of pace.You know what I mean?

It's just like, oh,so that's what that feels like.

Well, what do you think'smore offensive-- the idea

or the wording, specificallyasking for a diverse cast

or whatever. Is... It'sthe exclusion part of it, Robin?

-Yeah, I guess they... -Or it'slike, we're gonna act like

-everybody's invited. -For once,saying, like, non-white-- what?!

And I think...You know what it is?

Here's why they're mad-- I'mgonna tell you why they're mad.

They're mad becauseit's a hit without 'em.

That's why they're mad.

And they feel like... they feellike-- okay? They feel like

minorities are stealing thestory of Alexander Hamilton,

-you know? -Are you?

But here's the thing-- listen,if white people get together

and do an all-white Color Purple and it's a hit,

-I guess I'd be mad, too, but...-There you go.

It's not gonna happen.

Just so you know, I'm-I'mtelling all the white people

-you said that. -Yeah,and I mean... Yeah, they do.

I mean... And that's true.That's true.

I'm waiting on 'em to steal menow, you know what I mean?

I mean, I mean,the-the reality of it is

is that, you know,I went to a-a Prince concert

and he was sitting in the middleof the floor with a piano

and he was jamming and I...

what blew my mindis it was all white people.

-THEDE: Wow. -It was like,no black people in there.

And I was having a balland I was cheering

and one of the songs went offand I was like, "Yeah!"

And I'm not lying--a white dude looked at me like,

-"he's not yours anymore."-WILMORE: Really?

-Serious? -Yeah!

-Oh, my God.-No. He might have been like,

"Oh, Mike Epps is enjoyingthis." You don't know.

-You don't know whathe was saying. -But it's funny,

'cause Prince-Princeopened for the Stones,

like, in '80 or somethingat the Coliseum

and he was ours thenbecause he got, like,

-booed in front of the Stones.-THEDE: That's messed up.

No, that was, like,the beginning of his career.

-Ew-- how do you boo Prince?-Because he was ours then.

Let me tell you something--they can never have...

they can never have Prince.

White people are the worst.I'm sorry. I said it.

-No, no, no, no, no.-Somebody had to say it.

No, but-but...-They better watch it, man.

Is it okay to specify racein casting?

-I-I... You've been to castingsessions and stuff. -Yes.

You know, the way theybreak it down. Because usually,

when they don't say anything,Mike, and you've gone out

-for roles-- it's usually white,right? -Yup.

They usually have to saywhen it's black, right?

Yeah, you have to. I mean,how-how would you know

what you want... Yeah, how wouldyou know what you-you want...

how would you know what to askfor if you're a casting agent

if you don't put...if you don't specify, you know?

-It's kind of hard to...-Well, and I think that's why

this was so shocking, right?Because white people are just...

just used to saying, like,"Michael, 30s"

and they're like,"Oh, he's white."

But when it's...But if it's, like, "Jerome,"

they're like, "He's black."Like, they-they

-make sure to tell you.-Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

So the fact that it said"non-white" was shocking.

-Right. -But I... Doesn'tit feel like casting directors

are, like, the one placewhere you're allowed

to be a little racist,'cause you're trying to cast...

and it's not really racist basedon hate. In other words,

if you're trying to cast a movieabout overweight people

then, like, you don'twant to see any skinny people.

It's a waste of time.You know what I'm saying?

It's like, we just bring in thefatties. You know what I mean?

Like, we got to... No, it'slike... But it's the same thing.

-It's, you know,it's a business. -That is tough

when you're in the waiting roomlooking at all the other actors,

-like... -"I think I was...think I was called

for the wrong thing." But it'slike, uh, you know, I mean,

it feels like it's a business,right? So, there's a...

You're payingcasting directors money

to do that thing so thatyou don't... they don't want

to waste time. They knowthey don't want white people.

-Just send in peop...-They kind of have to profile.

-It's part of it. -That's-that'sthe one, uh, case we do.

Sometimes it does get outof hand. Like, there's been

a lot of talk about the waywomen are written up

-in character descriptions.And this was -Mm-hmm.

-from Straight Outta Compton, they were casting. -Oh, God.

Casting agency, uh...Some people just called it

straight, uh...straight-up racist. But, uh,

uh, "B" girls, who were finewith long natural hair...

-Okay, hold on, Larry. Let me dothis, let me do this. -Okay.

'Cause I got this. I...Do you guys remember this?

So, this was crazy. They askedfor girls, A, B, C, and D.

-Okay, they broke it down by...-They broke it down.

-"A" girls were models ofall races. Okay? Great. -Uh-huh.

"B" girls were fine,small waists, nice hips,

-should be light-skinned.-Uh-oh.

Beyoncé is the prototype.

And then you go downthrough "C."

Medium- to light-skinnedwith a weave.

You get to "D"--African-American, poor,

-not in shape. Mediumto dark skin. -Oh, my God.

-It's like what... Howdo you grade women -(booing)

-on this scale? This is sodisgusting. -Well, it sounds...

That soundslike a-a police report.

That sounded like a... You know?

That...It sounded like how the police

-describe us, too, you know?-Yeah. And then... -Right.

And someone's drawing it. "Allright, a little bit... Okay."

-"Tall black male." -Right?-"Now, who robbed you?

-Was she A, B, C, or D?"-Yeah.

"I think it was a combinationof 'D' and 'E,' Officer!"

What's really messed upabout that, too, is they did...

it's likethe least flattering was "D."

Like, they could've justreversed it and it wouldn't seem

as offensive. Like, "'A,'like, a little out of shape,"

-you know what I mean? Andthen... It's like -But it's...

-why'd they do it the other way?-It's really crazy because...

(quietly): I-I mean, like, me,as an African-American

-in-in Hollywood... -Youdon't have to whisper. We know.


-Wait a minute. Wait, what areyou again? -All right. Hold on.

-I had... I had no idea!-What?

-This segment is over!-Hold on a second.

Hold on, America. Hold on.Go ahead, Mike. You were saying.

'Cause I had just said"the police,"

-and then I came back witha whisper on me. -Right, right.

But because-because I'm,you know... I'm a black actor

in Hollywood, I... sometimesI tell my agent, "Look, man,

"don't cast me forno black roles. -Mm-hmm. -Right.

-Cast me white."-Right.

-And-and my agent... -You meanyou don't want to be the perp,

-you want to be the lawyer.-Yeah. No, I'm thinking

-about the money.-(laughter)

All right.

That-that makes a lot of sense.

-We'll be right back.-(cheering and applause)

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Thanks to my panelists,Rory Albanese, Robin Thede,

and Mike Epps. We're almost outof time. Before we go,

I'm gonna keep it 100for you guys, all right?

Tonight's question is froman audience member named Julia.

-All right, let's take a look.-WOMAN: Yeah! Yeah!

Hey, Larry, keep it 100.How did you really go bald?

Yeah, Larry,how did you go bald? Tell them.

That is messed up, Ricky.

I'm not bald! I just cut itshort! Can you get...

Look, I can d...I'm not... I'm not bald!

Thanks for watching!Don't forget to ask me

your Keep It 100 questions onTwitter! Good Nightly, everyone!

I'm not bald! It's just short!It's short!

Why do they say these things?!

See? Look! Look! Am I right?

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