November 12, 2015 - Starbucks Holiday Cup & Norman Lear

  • 11/12/2015

A Starbucks holiday cup incurs the wrath of conservative Christians, and Larry grapples with the morals of killing baby Hitler with Norman Lear, Bill Engvall and Rick Ross.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )>> Larry: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WELCOME TO THE SHOW.

WHAT A GREAT AUDIENCE TONIGHT.

>> LARRY!

LARRY!

>> Larry: YOU'RE SO KIND.

YOU'RE CORRECT, I AM LARRYWILMORE.

AND, MAN, WE HAVE AN AN ALL-STARPANEL FOR YOU TONIGHT.

RICK ROSS, NORMAN LEAR, AND BILLENGVALL ON THE PROGRAM.

THAT'S RIGHT.

THAT'S RIGHT.

THE OLD GANG IS BACK TOGETHER,GUYS.

( LAUGHTER )IT'S THE MOST INTERESTING

ASSORTMENT OF PEOPLE.

GREAT.

AWESOME.

MAN, YOU KNOW, IT'S HARD TOBELIEVE, BUT WE'RE STARTING TO

SEE CHRISTMAS ADS ALREADY.

I MEAN, WASN'T IT JUST ARBORDAY?

( LAUGHTER )SERIOUSLY.

I FEEL LIKE JUST YESTERDAY I WASCHOPPING DOWN TREES FOR MY BIG

"ARBOR-CUE."

OH, TIME JUST FLIES.

BUT ONE CHRISTMAS AD THIS YEARIS MAKING PEOPLE NOT SO MERRY.

>> BLOOMINGDALE'S IS APOLOGIZINGTHIS AFTERNOON FOR AN

INAPPROPRIATE HOLIDAYADVERTISEMENT.

TAKE A LOOKA THIS AD, APPEAREDNAY RECENT HOLIDAY CATEGORY.

THE CAPTION READS, "SPIKEYOUR BEST FRIEND'S EGGNOG WHEN

THEY'RE NOT LOOKING."

>> Audience: OOOH!

>> Larry: SPIKE YOUR BESTFRIEND'S EGGNOG WHEN THEY'RE NOT

LOOKING?

JESUS CHRIST WHO IS YOUR ADFIRM, STERLING COOPER RAPER

PRYCE?

( APPLAUSE )THAT REALLY MAKES ME MAD,

GET IT, MAD MEN.

HEY!

IT'S A HOLIDAY PUN.

IT'S A HOL PUN.

BUT SERIOUSLY, SPIKE YOUR BESTFRIEND'S EGGNOG.

WHAT KIND OF CLOTHES ARE YOUSELLING, COSBY SWEATERS?

THAT'S RIGHT, ( BLEEP )!

I HAVEN'T FORGOTTEN ABOUT YOU!

GETTING LATE IN THE YEAR.

I STILL REMEMBER THAT ( BLEEP ).

( LAUGHTER )ALL RIGHT, BUT, SERIOUSLY, YOU

KNOW, THIS AD IS DISGUSTING.

I MEAN, WHO'S THEIR TARGET DEMO,BILL COSBY?

I HAD TO DO IT AGAIN.

I'M SORRY.

I'M SORRY!

I CAN'T HELP IT!

NO, GUYS.

THIS AD IS SO AWFUL IT MAKESBLOOMINGDALE'S LOOK LIKE COSBY'S

HOTEL ROOM.

I CAN'T!

( APPLAUSE )I APOLOGIZE.

NO, GUYS!

STOP!

YOU'RE ENCOURAGING ME.

THIS IS-- I ADMIT, I HAVE APROBLEM, OKAY.

( LAUGHTER )BUT NOT AS BIG A PROBLEM AS BILL

COSBY.

ALL RIGHT?

OKAY.

( APPLAUSE )THAT'S IT.

NO, SERIOUSLY.

I AM DONE.

NO.

I CAN STOP THE AT FOUR, REALLUNLIKE COSBY.

OKAY, I REALLY AM DONE.

I REALLY AM DONE.

OKAY.

AND BLOOMINGDALE'S--( LAUGHTER )

BLOOMINGDALE'S ISN'T THE ONLYBIG COMPANY MIRED IN A CHRISTMAS

CONTROVERSY.

STARBUCKS FRESH OFF THEIRSUCCESSFUL ENDING OF RACISM WITH

THEIR RACE TOGETHER CUPCAMPAIGN, ARE NOW SETTING THEIR

SIGHTS HIGHER BY HAVING THEIRCUPS RUNETH OVER WITH WORLD

PEACE.

>> THE DECISION BY STARBUCKS TOUSE A MINIMALIST DESIGN FOR ITS

SIGNATURE HOLIDAY CUP ISSTIRRING UP A LITTLE BIT OF A

DEBATE.

SOME EVANGELICAL CHRISTIANS AREVERY UPSET THAT THE COFFEE GIANT

IS DOING AWAY WITH SYMBOLS OFTHE SEASON LIKE THE SNOWFLAKES,

THE SNOWMEN, AND THE OTHER KINDOF ORNAMENTS.

>> Larry: NO SNOWMEN!

HOW AM I GOING TO CELEBRATE THEBIRTH OF JESUS?

( LAUGHTER )THAT DOESN'T EVEN MAKE SENSE!

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )GUYS!

WHAT ARE THEY DOING TO ME?AND THE IMMACULATE INCEPTION FOR

THIS STARBUCKS CUP CONTROVERSYWAS DELIVERED TO US THE WAY SO

MANY OF OUR CHRISTMAS FIGHTSSTART, FROM AN ANGRY GUY IN A

PARKING LOT.

>> DO YOU REALIZE STARBUCKSWANTED TO TAKE CHRIST AND

CHRISTMAS OFF OF THEIR BRAND NEWCUPS.

THAT'S WHY THEY'RE JUST PLAINRED.

IN FACT, DO YOU REALIZESTARBUCKS ISN'T ALLOWED TO SAY

MERRY CHRISTMAS TO CUSTOMERS.

>> Larry: ALL RIGHT, CALMDOWN, PAUL BLART CUP COP.

REALLY.

( LAUGHTER )( APPLAUSE )

I MEAN, FIRST OF ALL, CHRIST ANDCHRISTMAS WERE NEVER EVEN ON THE

CUPS.

ALSO, THEY'RE CUPS.

( LAUGHTER )YOU KNOW, BUT IT ONLY TAKES ONE

SPARK FROM A DOUCHEY VERTICALVIDEO TO SET OFF A FIRESTORM OF

CUP RAGE.

>> A FORMER PASTOR IS STIRRINGUP SOME REAL CONTROVERSY.

>> TWITTER ERUPTED.

>> THERE'S A COFFEE WAR BREWING.

>> JUST A PLAIN RED CUP.

>> IT WAS LIKE WAKING UP TO ALUMP OF COAL.

>> WE CAN'T SAY MERRY CHRISTMASNOW.

>> WRAIJING A WAR.

>> WAR.

>> WAR ON CHRISTMAS.

>> POLITICAL CORRECTNESS GONEMAD.

>> IT'S TIME FOR A BOYCOTT.

>> Larry: ONLY-- ONLY INAMERICA CAN PEOPLE BE OUTRAGED

OVER CUPS, RIGHT?

I MEAN, SERIOUSLY, SERIOUSLY, WEPOLLED A BOAT LOAD OF SYRIAN

REFUGEE ON WHETHER THE NEWSTARBUCKS CUPS WERE

CONTROVERSIAL.

0% WERE UPSET AND 43 ANSWERED,"WE CAN'T FIND MY FATHER."

AND THE REMAINING 57% SAID, "MYGRANDMOTHER NEEDS HER MEDICINE."

I'M JUST REPORTING THE IMPORTANTTHINGS.

THIS IS WHAT'S IMPORTANT.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )BUT THE MOST AMERICAN PART OF

THE STORY WAS THAT STARBUCKS'COMPETITORS SAW THIS AS AN

OPPORTUNITY.

>> FINALLY, DUNKIN' DONUTSUNVEILING ITS HOLIDAY CUPS.

THEY'RE DECORATED WITH A WREATHCIRC LING THE WORD "JOY."

>> Larry: YEAH!

IN YOUR FACE STARBUCKSBEELZECUPS.

YOU KNOW, GUYS, SERIOUSLY, ALLTHIS IS SO SILLY.

THAT'S WHY I GET ALL OF MYHOLIDAY COFFEE AT BETHLEHEM

BREW.

UH-HUH.

YEAH.

( LAUGHTER )THERE WE GO.

THAT'S WHERE I GET MY COFFEEFROM.

( APPLAUSE )MY FAVORITE DRINK?

MY TRIPLE WISEMAN BIBLICALGOLDEN HALF ICED IMMACU-LATTE.

( APPLAUSE )DID I SAY SKINNY?

I SAID SKINNY, RIGHT?

OKAY, I JUST WANTED TO KNOW.

YOU KNOW, LET ME-- LET ME ADD ALITTLE MYRRH.

( LAUGHTER )MMMM!

MMMM!

THAT'S SOME GOOD CHRISTMAS.

( LAUGHTER )LENNY, OF COURSE.

MY NAME'S LARRY FOR CHRIST'SSAKE.

OKAY, ALL RIGHT.

OKAY, TO HELP ME SORT THROUGHTHIS CHRISTMAS CONTROVERSY WE'RE

GOING TO GO RIGHT TO THE SOURCE.

PLEASE WELCOME A STARBUCKS CUP,EVERYBODY.

>> HI.

HELLO, LARRY!

HELLO!

HI!

ON BEHALF OF EVERYONE INHESTARBUCKS FAMILY, I WANT TO WISH

YOU AN ETHICALLY SOURCED SEASONSGREETINGS.

>> Larry: YOU, TOO.

NOW, WHY DID YOU GET RID OFYOUR-- WHY DID YOU GET RID OF

YOUR CHRISTMAS DECORATIONS?

>> LARRY, IT'S NOT OUR JOB TOTELL YOU WHY YOU SHOULD FEEL

JOYOUS AND MERRY.

OUR DESIRE IS FOR THE STARBUCKSCUP TO BE A BLANK SLATE ON TO

WHICH OUR CUSTOMERS FROM ANYDENOMINATION CAN PROJECT ANY

MESSAGE.

>> YO I GOT A MESSAGE!

STARBUCKS SUCKS!

HOLD OEVERYBODY -->> OH, HEY IT'S DUNKIN' DONUTS

CUP, EVERYBODY.

GIVE HIM A NICE ROUND OFAPPLAUSE.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )>> MERRY ( BLEEP ) CHRISTMAS,

LARRY.

>> Larry: WHOA, WHOA.

OKAY.

YOU-->> HI, HI DUNKIN' DONUTS.

IT'S SO GOOD TO SEE YOU.

AND BECAUSE YOU'RE STILL MADEFROM STYROFOAM WE'LL BE SEEING

YOU FOR THE NEXT MILLION YEARS.

( APPLAUSE ).

>> THAT'S RIGHT.

I'M INVINCIBLE.

D.D.'S GOING TO LIVE FOREVER.

>> Larry: BOTH OF YOU SETTLEDOWN.

THIS IS NOT A FIGHT.

LET'S HAVE A MATURE, RATIONALCONVERSATION ALL RIGHT BETWEEN

ONE GUY, TWO CUPS.

( LAUGHTER ).

THAT'S NOT QUITEHOW I MEANT.

>> I SAW WHAT DID YOU THERE,LARRY.

THAT WAS FUNNY.

THE PROBLEM IS WHAT THE HELL YOUGOT AGAINST JOY?

>> NOTHING!

WE EMBRACE JOY.

WE JUST WANT EVERYONE TO BEHAPPY.

>> TRY NOT CHARGING $7 A CUP.

>> OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

( APPLAUSE )>> Larry: HOLD ON, DUNKIN'

DONUTS.

SINCE YOU BROUGHT UP MONEY, KEEPIT 100.

AREN'T YOU EXPLOITING CHRISTMAS,TOO, JUST TO MAKE A PROFIT.

>> YEAH, DECK THE HALLS.

LET'S GO.

>> LARRY, AT STARBUCKS WE DON'TFOCUS ON THE MONEY.

WE FOCUS ON THE SENSE OFCOMMUNITY THAT'S GIVING US THE

MONEY.

>> Larry: OH.

>> THIS DONUT DEALER ISNOT FOCUSING ON THE SPIRIT OF

THE HOLIDAY SEASON.

>> DONUT DEALER?

WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO DO WITHCHRISTMAS?

YOU'RE A FREAKING MERMAID.

>> Larry: OKAY, GUYS, GUYS,GUYS.

PLEASE!

( LAUGHTER )I THINK BOTH OF ARE YOU GETTING

WAY TOO MUCH NATIONAL ATTENTION.

YOU KNOW, YOU'RE JUST CUPS.

ALL RIGHT?

>> WELL, LARRY, I LIKE TO THINKOF US MORE AS HOLY GRAILS OF

CAFFEINE.

>> I'M COOL WITH THAT.

( LAUGHTER )WHAT ARE YOU DOING AFTER THIS,

GIRL?

>> Larry: ALL RIGHT, BOTH OFYOU, GET OUT OF HERE!

GET OUT OF HERE!

WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.

WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.

>> Larry: WELCOME BACK.

WE'RE HONORED TO BRING OUT AVERY SPECIAL GUEST RIGHT NOW.

HE IS A LEGENDARY TELEVISIONWRITER AND PRODUCER RESPONSIBLE

FOR SUCH CLASSIC SHOWS AS "ALLIN THE FAMILY, "SANFORD AND

SON,""THE JEFFERSONS, "GOODTIMES," AND "MAUDE."

HIS BOOK, "EVEN THIS I GET TOEXPERIENCE," IS NOW OUT IN

PAPERBACK.

PLEASE WELCOME, NORMAN LEAR.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )>> Larry: WE THOUGHT WE'D MAKE

YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH, LIKE,AN ARCHIE AND EDITH CHAIR OUT

HERE.

>> I LOVE IT.

>> Larry: I REMEMBER ARCHIEALWAYS HAD SOME BEER.

SO CHEERS TO THE ARCHIE BEER, IGUESS.

>> AND IT IS BEER.

>> Larry: IT REALLY IS BEER.

THAT'S GREAT.

LAST NIGHT-- WHOA!

NO!

>> I'M GOING TO TELL YOUSOMETHING, YOU SHOULDN'T EVEN

( BLEEP ) AROUND LIKE THAT, MAN.

SERIOUSLY.

THEIR COMES AN AGE WHERE THAT'SNOT A FUN GAME.

I ALMOST LOST IT THERE FOR ASECOND.

( BLEEP ).

BUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT?

IT'S FUNNY, BECAUSE THAT'S--THAT'S-- IT'S ALMOST A METAPHOR

FOR YOUR LIFE'S WORK, YOU KNOW.

YOU DID THINGS THAT WERE DARINGAT A TIME WHEN PEOPLE JUST

DIDN'T-- TV WAS SO SAFE WHENYOU-- WHEN YOU STARTED "ALL IN

THE FAMILY."

DID YOU EVER THINK YOU WOULD GETTHAT SHOW ON THE AIR?

>> I DIDN'T THINK THERE WASANYTHING SO UNUSUAL ABOUT IT.

THERE WASN'T ANYTHING WE TALKEDABOUT THAT YOU COULDN'T HEAR ON

A PLAYGROUND OR A LIVING ROOMANYWHERE IN AMERICA, ALL THE

PROBLEMS, ALL THE STUFF, ALLTHE-- YOU KNOW.

AND THE ARCHIE BUNKER CHARACTER,TOO, FOR THAT MATTER.

>> Larry: DO YOU THINK YOURSHOWS CHANGED CULTURE?

OR DO YOU THINK YOUR SHOWS WEREJUST REFLECTING THE CULTURE?

>> OH, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

I THINK IT DID BOTH.

>> Larry: A LITTLE BIT OFBOTH, RIGHT?

>> I THINK IT DID A LITTLE BITOF BOTH.

I KNEW IT WAS REFLECTING THECULTURE BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE

WERE WRITING.

THAT'S WHAT WE WERE DOING.

SOME TIME LATER, LISTENING TOPEOPLE TALK ABOUT HAVING SEEN IT

WITH THEIR FAMILY, "OH, WEWATCHED IT."

AND THE WHOLE FAMILY WATCHED IT.

"AND THEN WE TALKED."

THAT'S THE GREATEST GIFT OF ALL.

WE TALKED AFTERWARDS.

>> Larry: AS A KID TREALLY--LOOK, LET ME BE HONEST.

LET ME GIVE YOU 100.

YOU'RE THE REASON WHY I'M HERE.

YOU INSPIRED ME AS A KIDWATCHING THOSE SHOWS.

>> I'M THE REASON-- I DIDN'TEVEN KNOW YOUR MOTHER.

>> Larry: NO, IT'S TRUE.

( APPLAUSE ).

>> I NEVER MET THE WOMAN.

>> Larry: THE ISSUES YOUBROUGHT UP, I HAD-- I DIDN'T

KNOW YOU COULD DO THOSE ISSUESON TELEVISION.

YOU KNOW.

YOU WERE, ALSO, ON NIXON'SENEMIES LIST.

>> THAT'S A BADGE OF HONOR.

>> Larry: THAT IS A BADGE.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )YOU, JOHN LENNON.

I MEAN, WHEN YOU HEARD ABOUTTHAT, WHAT WAS YOUR REACTION?

>> I THOUGHT IT WAS GREAT.

THAT'S WHERE I WISHED TO BE.

BUT SOME TIME LATER, WHEN THEY--THE TAPES, THE NIXON TAPES THAT

WERE TAKEN OF THE CONVERSATIONSIN THE OVAL OFFICE, THERE HE WAS

FOR THREE MINUTES TALKING ABOUTTHIS SHOW.

>> Larry: HE WAS OBSESSED.

>> OBSESSED WITH ARCHIE BUNKER.

"WHY DO THEY PUT A GOOD MANDOWN?"

>> Larry: YEAH, ARCHIE WAS THEPROTAGONIST.

SPEAKING OF PRESIDENTS, DO YOUKIND OF FEEL A LITTLE BIT

RESPONSIBLE FOR HAVING ARCHIEBUNKER RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT

RIGHT NOW?

( LAUGHTER )BE HONEST.

>> I THINK YOU SEE THE AMERICANPEOPLE GIVING THE FINGER TO

AMERICAN LEADERSHIP WITH DONALDTRUMP.

YOU KNOW.

THIS IS WHAT--( APPLAUSE )

>> Larry: I'LL TELLYOU STICK AROUND AND JOIN OUR

PANEL A LITTLE LATER?

>> I'LL DO ANYTHING YOU AND THISAUDIENCE SAY.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )>> Larry: GREAT.

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE'REGOING TO TAKE A QUICK BREAK AND

NORMAN WILL BE ON OUR PANEL.

NORMAN LEAR, EVERYBODY.

WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK!

WELCOME BACK.

JOINING ME AGAIN TONIGHT WITHTHE REST OF MY PANEL, LEGENDARY

TV PRODUCER NORMAN LEAR.

AND HIS NEW COMEDY SPECIAL WILLBE COMING OUT NEXT YEAR, OLD

FRIEND OF MINE BILL ENGVALL.

AND HIS NEW ALBUM,"BLACK MARKET," DROPS

DECEMBER 4.

BETTER GO GET IT.

RICK ROSS.

AND FOR EVERYONE AT HOME, JOINOUR CONVERSATION RIGHT NOW ON

TWITTER @NIGHTLY SHOW USING THEHASHTAG "TONIGHTLY."

THIS IS ONE UPON MY FAVORITETOPICS.

WE TALKED EARLIER ABOUT THESTARBUCKS CHRISTMAS CUPS.

THEY REMOVED ALL THECHRISTMASS-Y IMAGES AND JUST

MADE IT SOLID RED.

FIRST OF ALL, IS ANYONE OFFENDEDBY THIS?

>> OH, MAN I THINK, YOU KNOW,I'M BIG ON CHRISTMAS.

MY KIDS ARE BIG ON CHRISTMAS.

BUT ME BEING A BOSS, YOU KNOW--I SEE STARBUCKS CHASING THE

DOLLAR.

>> Larry: YEAH?

DO YOU THINK THEY'RE DOING THISFOR MONEY REASONS?

IS THIS GOOD PUBLICITY THEY'REGETTING, DO YOU THINK?

>> I DON'T THINK THE PUBLICITYIS GOOD BUT I MOST DEFINITELY

FEEL THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, TAKINGDOWN-- TRYING TO MAKE PEOPLE WHO

MAY NOT BE-- OR BELIEVE INCHRISTMAS MORE COMFORTABLE

DURING THE HOLIDAYS.

THAT'S WHAT I BELIEVE.

>> Larry: NORMAN, EXPLAIN TOME, SOMEBODY BEING OFFENDED BY A

CUP.

THIS IS THE PART I DON'TUNDERSTAND.

>> EXACTLY.

ARE YOU ASSUMING STARBUCKSWISHED TO DO THIS, START THE

CONTROVERSY OR DID SOME FOOLSAY-- CHRISTMAS IS ALL ABOUT

SELLING.

( APPLAUSE )>> Larry: COMMERCE.

>> YEAH.

IT'S ALL ABOUT-- WE'VE TAKENWHAT WAS A-- AN IMPORTANT

RELIGIOUS HOLIDAY FOR MOSTPEOPLE AND MADE IT A CIRCUS.

>> Larry: YEAH.

WELL, CHRISTMAS-- I FEELCHRISTMAS IS BOTH A RELIGIOUS

AND A SECULAR HOLIDAY.

I MEAN, IT IS BOTH.

I MEAN, IT'S A NATIONAL HOLIDAY.

BANKS TAKE IT OFF.

I MEAN, IT'S BUILT ON BOTHRELIGIOUS TRADITIONS AND PAGAN

TRADITIONS.

THAT TREE WAS NOT IN THE MANGER.

EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT, RIGHT?

( LAUGHTER ).

>> MY PROBLEM WITH THIS WHOLETHING --

>> THE TREE IS A PHALLIC SYMBOL,FOR GOODNESS' SAKE.

IF HE GETS IN THE HISTORY OF ALLTHE CHRISTMAS--

>> I LOVE CHRISTMAS AT THEWILMORE HOUSE.

>> Larry: EXACTLY, HEY, HONEY,LET ME TELL YOU THE MEANING OF

THE YULE LOG.

( LAUGHTER ).

>> THE TRUE MEANING OF THE YULELOG.

>> Larry: THE TRUE MEANING OFTHE YULE LOG.

BILL KNOWS WHAT I'M TALKINGABOUT.

>> OH, PLEASE.

HERE'S MY PROBLEM-- IT'S NOTEVEN THANKSGIVING YET.

I MEAN, RIGHT?

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )>> IT'S ALL ABOUT

>> AT STARBUCKS I WASN'T UPSETTHERE WASN'T A TURKEY ON MY CUP.

>> Larry: DO YOU THINK THEREIS A WAR ON CHRISTMAS?

YOU SAID YOU LOVE CHRISTMAS.

DO YOU THINK THERE IS A WAR ONCHRISTMAS?

>> I BELIEVE THERE MIGHT BE AWAR ON CHRISTMAS GOING ON MOST

DEFINITELY.

BECAUSE YOU MOST DEFINITELY HEARLESS AND LESS RELIGIOUS ASPECT

OF DECEMBER 25.

>> BUT, RICK, DO YOU THINK THEREARE PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO HAVE

DECIDED LET'S MAKE A WAR ONCHRISTMAS?

( LAUGHTER )I MEAN, WHEN WE GOT KIDS WHO

HAVEN'T GOT ENOUGH FOOD, ANDWE'VE GOT PEOPLE OUT OF WORK AND

WE'VE.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ).

>> THAT'S MOST DEFINITELY -->> CHRISTMAS HAS GOT TO GO DOWN!

>> THAT'S MOST DEFINITELY WHAT'SIMPORTANT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW,

CHRISTMAS IS ALL ABOUT THESPIRIT OF GIVING.

YOU KNOW, ONCE YOU MAKE IT TOOUR AGE, WE'RE JUST HAPPY TO BE

HERE AND CELEBRATE IT.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ).

>> Larry: YEAH.

>> AND THE FACT THAT KID AREGROWING UP THESE DAYS THINKING

THAT SANTA DRIVES A REDMERCEDES.

YOU KNOW.

AS FAR AS THE WAR ON CHRISTMAS,HERE'S MY PROBLEM WITH IT-- I'M

A CHRISTIAN.

I CELEBRATE CHRISTMAS.

I SAY MERRY CHRISTMAS.

BUT I DON'T GO PREACHING IT.

IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHAT-- IFSOMEONE IS NOT A CHRISTIAN, I

DON'T GO HEY, YOU KNOW WHAT?

IT'S CHRISTMAS OR IT'S NOTHING,BROTHER.

>> Larry: EXACTLY.

ALSO, IF SOMEBODY SAYS HAPPYHANUKKAH IT DOESN'T OFFEND ME.

>> NO!

NOT AT ALL.

>> IT OFFENDS ME.

( LAUGHTER )>> Larry: I MEAN, IF THEY SAID

HERE'S YOUR CHANGE, HAPPYKWANZAA, THEN I MIGHT GET UPSET.

( BLEEP ).

OKAY.

I GOTTA TALK ABOUT THIS OTHERTOPIC BECAUSE THIS ONE REALLY

MAKES ME LAUGH.

SO JEB BUSH WAS ASKED THISQUESTION THE OTHER DAY.

DO YOU GUYS KNOW WHERE I'MGOING?

>> YES.

>> Larry: HE WAS ACTUALLYASKED IF HE COULD GO BACK IN

TIME-- WHICH WAS ALREADYRIDICULOUS.

I DON'T KNOW WHY JEB EXCLAMATIONPOINT GETS ALL THESE RIDICULOUS

QUESTIONS.

IF HE COULD GO BACK IN TIME ANDHAD A CHANCE TO KILL BABY

HITLER, WOULD HE DO IT?

HE SAID YES.

I GOTTA HEAR FROM EVERYBODY.

RICK, WOULD YOU-->> , OF COURSE,.

>> Larry: YOU WOULD KILL BABYHITLER?

>> OF COURSE,.

>> Larry: REALLY!

>> OF COURSE,.

>> Larry: YOU WOULD KILL ALITTLE BABY?

YOU WOULD JUST KILL IT.

>> RICK, HERE'S WHAT I WOULD DO--

>> WOULD YOU KILL BABY HITLER?

>> IF HE'S A BABY YOU DON'TREALLY KNOW WHAT HE WILL GROW UP

TO DO.

YOU CAN'T HAVE YOUR CAKE AND EATIT, TOO --

>> WITH A TIME MACHINE YOU CAN.

>> PUT HIM IN A MOMMY AND MECLASS OR GYMBOREE.

MAYBE GROW THE FULL MUSTACHE.

>> Larry: AT WHAT POINT WOULDYOU KILL HIM?

>> I DON'T KNOW.

>> I MEAN WHAT HAPPENED WASATROCIOUS, BUT TO GO BACK IN

TIME I CAN'T KILL A BABY.

>> IS HE BORN TO BE THE HITLERWE KNEW?

>> HE IS DEFINITELY ON HIS WAYTO HITLERVILLE.

HE'S NOT TAKE ANYTHING DETOURS.

>> NO MATTER WHAT YOU DID, IWOULD LOCK HIM IN A ROOM.

>> Larry: YOU WOULD LOCK HIMIN A ROOM?

>> I WOULD LOCK HIM UP.

BEFORE I'D KILL HIM, I'D LOCKHIM UP.

>> Larry: REALLY?

>> YEAH.

>> GIVE HIM A CHANCE.

>> I KNOW, I MEAN I'D LOCK THESON OF A BITCH UP.

>> Larry: NOBODY WANTS TO KILLA BABY.

>> I DON'T WANT TO KILL.

>> Larry: WOULDN'T THIS BEFUN?

KEEPING IT 100, YOU GUYS.

COME ON,IT'S HITLER!

I'M SORRY.

( BLEEP ).

>> I GOT YOUR BACK.

I GOT YOUR BACK UPON GO AHEAD.

>> Larry: COME ON, WE CAN DOIT TOGETHER.

WE CAN DO IT TOGETHER.

WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.

COME HERE, BABY HITLER.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )>> Larry: WELCOME BACK.

JOINING ME AGAIN TONIGHT WITHTHE REST OF MY PANEL, LEGENDARY

TV PRODUCER NORMAN LEAR.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )HIS NEW COMEDY SPECIAL AIRS

EARLY NEXT YEAR, COMEDIAN BILLENGVALL.

AND HIS NEW ALBUM,"BLACKMARKET," DROPS DECEMBER 4.

YOU BETTER GO GET IT.

RAPPER RICK ROSS.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )AND FOR EVERYONE AT HOME, JOIN

OUR CONVERSATION RIGHT NOW ONTWITTER @NIGHTLY SHOW USING THE

HASHTAG "TONIGHTLY."

THIS IS ONE OF MY FAVORITETOPICS -- I DON'T KNOW WHY.

WE TALKED EARLIER ABOUT THESTARBUCKS CHRISTMAS CUP

CONTROVERSY.

THEY REMOVED ALL THECHRISTMASS-Y IMAGES AND JUST

MADE IT SOLID RED.

FIRST OF ALL, IS ANYONE OFFENDEDBY THIS?

>> CAN I TELL YOU THEY WENT TOSTARBUCKS THIS MORNING.

THEY HAVE A CHRISTMAS BLENDCOFFEE.

>> Larry: THAT'S TRUE.

>> THEY HAVE ORNAMENTS.

THEY HAVE AN ADVENT TREE.

IF YOUR LIFE IS SO SCREWED UP--AND BY THE WAY, I DON'T KNOW IF

YOU WATCHED THE WHOLE VIDEO.

YOU'RE NOT FOOLING ANYBODY BYTELLING ME YOUR NAME IS MERRY

CHRISTMAS.

NOBODY IS THAT STUPID TO GO, "ISHIS NAME REALLY MERRY CHRISTMAS?

THAT'S WEIRD."

>> Larry: IN THE VIDEO HESAID, "I TRICKED THEM."

>> HE ALSO TOOK A GUN INTOSTARBUCKS.

>> Larry: I SAW THAT.

>> OKAY NOW YOU'RE ON THE CRAZYLIST.

YOU MIGHT AS WELL FORGET COFFEEBECAUSE THEY AREN'T GOING TO

SERVE YOU A LATTE WHERE YOU'REGOING TO BE EVENTUALLY.

>> Larry: IT'LL SAY MERRYCHRISTMAS ASSHOLE IN THEIR

SYSTEM . WHAT'S YOUR TAKE ONTHIS, RAY?

>> I'M BIG ON CHRISTMAS.

MY KIDS ARE BIG ON CHRISTMAS.

BUT ME BEING A BOSS, YOU KNOW--( LAUGHTER )

I SEE STARBUCKS CHASING THEDOLLAR.

>> Larry: YEAH?

DO YOU THINK THEY'RE DOING THISFOR MONEY REASONS?

IS THIS GOOD PUBLICITY THEY'REGETTING, DO YOU THINK?

>> I MEAN, I DON'T THINK THEPUBLICITY IS GOOD BUT I MOST

DEFINITELY FEEL THEY'RE TAKINGDOWN SOME OF THE ORNAMENTS TO

MAKE PEOPLE WHO MAY NOT BE ORBELIEVE IN CHRISTMAS MORE

COMFORTABLE DURING THE HOLIDAYS.

THAT'S WHAT I REALLY BELIEVE.

>> Larry: I DON'T KNOW, BUT,NORMAN, EXPLAIN TO ME, SOMEBODY

BEING OFFENDED BY A CUP-- THISIS THE PART I DON'T UNDERSTAND.

>> EXACTLY.

ARE YOU ASSUMING STARBUCKSWISHED TO DO THIS, START A

CONTROVERSY OR DID SOME FOOLSAY-- CHRISTMAS IS ALL ABOUT

SELLING.

( APPLAUSE )>> Larry: COMMERCE.

>> YEAH.

IT'S ALL ABOUT-- WE'VE TAKENWHAT WAS AN IMPORTANT RELIGIOUS

HOLIDAY FOR MOST PEOPLE AND MADEIT A CIRCUS.

>> Larry: YEAH.

WELL, CHRISTMAS-- I FEELCHRISTMAS IS BOTH A RELIGIOUS

AND A SECULAR HOLIDAY.

I MEAN, IT IS BOTH.

I MEAN, IT'S A NATIONAL HOLIDAY.

BANKS TAKE IT OFF.

I MEAN, IT'S BUILT ON BOTHRELIGIOUS TRADITIONS AND PAGAN

TRADITIONS.

I MEAN, THAT TREE WAS NOT IN THEMANGER.

EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT, RIGHT?

( LAUGHTER ).

>> HERE'S MY PROBLEM WITH THISWHOLE THING --

>> THE TREE IS A PHALLIC SYMBOL,FOR GOODNESS' SAKE.

IF IT GETS IN THE HISTORY OF ALLTHE CHRISTMAS--

>> I LOVE CHRISTMAS AT THEWILMORE HOUSE.

>> Larry: EXACTLY.

"HEY, HONEY, LET ME TELL YOU THEMEANING OF THE YULE LOG."

>> THE TRUE MEANING OF THE YULELOG.

>> Larry: THE THE TRUE MEANINGOF THE YULE LONG LOG.

>> BIG BILLKNOWS WHAT I'MTALKING ABOUT.

>> YEAH.

>> HERE'S MY PROBLEM-- IT'S NOTEVEN THANKSGIVING YET.

I MEAN, RIGHT?

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )>> IT'S ALL ABOUT SELLING.

>> I WENT INTO STARBUCKS IWASN'T UPSET THERE WASN'T A

TURKEY ON MY CUP.

>> Larry: I KNOW.

DO YOU THINK THERE'S A WAR ONCHRISTMAS?

BECAUSE YOU SAID YOU LOVECHRISTMAS.

DO YOU THINK THERE'S A WAR OUTTHERE?

>> I BELIEVE THERE MIGHT BE AWAR ON CHRISTMAS GOING ON MOST

DEFINITELY BECAUSE YOU'RE MOSTDEFINITELY HEARING LESS AND LESS

RELIGIOUS ASPECT OF DECEMBER 25.

>> BUT, RICK, DO YOU THINK THEREARE PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO HAVE

DECIDED LET'S MAKE A WAR ONCHRISTMAS?

( LAUGHTER )I MEAN, WHEN WE GOT KIDS WHO

HAVEN'T GOT ENOUGH FOOD.

AND WE'VE GOT PEOPLE OUT OFWORK, AND WE'VE GOT--

>> THANK YOU.

>> THAT'S MOST DEFINITELY-->> WE'VE GOT TO TAKE CHRISTMAS

DOWN.

CHRISTMAS HAS GOT TO GO DOWN!

>> THAT'S MOST DEFINITELY WHAT'SIMPORTANT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW,

CHRISTMAS IS ALL ABOUT THESPIRIT OF GIVING.

YOU KNOW, ONCE YOU MAKE IT TOOUR AGE WE'RE JUST HAPPY TO BE

HERE AND CELEBRATE IT WITH--( APPLAUSE ).

>> AND THE FACT WHAT KIDS ARE UP THESE DAYS THINKING THINKING

THAT SANTA DRIVES A REDMERCEDES.

I DO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.

HALLOWEEN, THE DAY AFTERHALLOWEEN, I SAW A CHRISTMAS

COMMERCIAL.

AND IT WAS JUST LIKE WE DON'TEVEN KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING

ANYMORE.

>> Larry: THE COMMERCE PART OFIT.

>> YEAH, IT'S JUST LIKE-- ANDHERE'S MY THING, AS FAR AS THE

WAR ON CHRISTMAS, HERE'S MYPROBLEM WITH IT.

I'M A CHRISTIAN.

I CELEBRATE CHRISTMAS.

I SAY MERRY CHRISTMAS.

BUT I DON'T GO PREACHING IT.

IF SOMEONE IS NOT A CHRISTIAN, IDON'T ANY, "HEY, YOU KNOW WHAT?

IT'S CHRISTMAS OR IT'S NOTHING,BROTHER."

>> Larry: MERRY CHRISTMAS.

EXACTLY.

IF SOMEBODY SAYS HAPPY HANUKKAH,IT DOESN'T OFFEND ME.

>> NO!

>> IT OFFENDS ME.

( LAUGHTER )>> Larry: I MEAN, IF THEY SAID

HERE'S YOUR CHANGE, HAPPYKWANZAA, THEN I MIGHT GET UPSET

BECAUSE THAT'S ( BLEEP ).

OKAY, I GOTTA TALK ABOUT THISOTHER TOPIC BECAUSE THIS ONE

REALLY MAKES ME LAUGH.

JEB BUSH WAS ASKED THIS QUESTIONTHE OTHER DAY-- DO YOU GUYS KNOW

WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS.

HE WAS IT WILY ASKED IF HE COULDGO BACK IN TIME, WHICH IS

RIDICULOUS-- I DON'T KNOW WHYJEB EXCLAMATION POINT GET ALL

THE RIDICULOUS QUESTIONS-- IF HECOULD GO BACK IN TIME AND HE HAD

A CHANCE TO KILL BABY HITLER,WOULD HE DO IT?

HE SAID YET YS.

I GOTTA HEAR FROM EVERYBODY.

RICK, WOULD YOU-->> , OF COURSE,.

>> Larry: YOU WOULD KILL BABYHITLER.

>> OF COURSE!

>> Larry: REALLY?

>>, OF COURSE,.

>> Larry: A LITTLE BABY?

YOU WOULD JUST KILL.

>> RICK, I THINK-- HERE'S WHAT IWOULD DO.

>> Larry: WOULD YOU KILL BABYHITLER.

>> IF HE'S A BABY YOU DON'TREALLY KNOW WHAT HE'S GOING TO

GROW UP TO DO.

>> Larry: WE TOLD YOU HE'SBABY HITLER.

>> YOU CAN'T HAVE YOUR CAKE ANDEAT IT, TOO.

>> Larry: IF YOU HAVE A TIMEMACHINE, YOU CAN.

YOU CAN HAVE YOUR CAKE AND EATIT, TOO.

>> PUT HIM IN A MOMMY AND MECLASS, GYMBOREE, MAYBE GROW THE

FULL MUSTACHE.

>> AT WHAT POINT WOULD YOUKILL HIM?

>> I DON'T KNOW.

( LAUGHTER )I MEAN, WHAT HAPPENED WAS

ATROCIOUS BUT TO GO BACK INTIME-- I CAN'T KILL A BABY.

>> Larry: IT'S BABY HITLER.

>> IS HE BORN TO BE THE HITLERWE KNEW?

>> Larry: HE'S DEFINITELY ONHIS WAY TO HITLERVILLE.

NO DOUBT.

HE'S NOT TAKE ANYTHING DETOURS.

>> NO MATTER WHAT YOU DID-->> I WOULD LOCK HIM IN A ROOM.

>> Larry: YOU WOULD LOCK HIMIN A ROOM?

>> YEAH.

I'D LOCK HIM UP.

BEFORE I'D KILL HIM I'D LOCK HIMUP.

>> Larry: REALLY?

>> YEAH.

>> GIVE HIM A CHANCE.

>> I WOULD LOCK THE SON OF ABITCH UP.

>> Larry: NOBODY WANTS TO KILLA BABY BUT WOULDN'T IT BE FUN?

THIS WOULD BE ONE BABY IT WASKIND OF FUN.

KEEP IT 100.

I'M NOT A BABY KILLER, BUTHITLER? JUST ONE SHAKE!

IT'S HITLER!

I'M SORRY.

>> I GOT YOUR BACK, GO AHEAD.

>> COME ON, RICK.

WE CAN DO IT TOGETHER.

WE CAN DO IT TOGETHER.

WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.

COME HERE, BABY HITLER.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )

>> Larry: WELCOME BACK.

WE'RE HONORED TO BRING OUT AVERY SPECIAL GUEST RIGHT NOW.

HE'S A LEGENDARY WRITER ANDPRODUCER AND RESPONSIBLE FOR

SUCH CLASSIC SHOWS AS "ALL INTHE FAMILY," "THE JEFFERSONS,"

"GOOD TIMES," AND "MAUDE."

HIS BOOK "EVEN THIS I GET TOEXPERIENCE" IS NOW OUT IN

PAPERBACK.

PLEASE WELCOME NORMAN LEAR.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )WELL DESERVED.

WE THOUGHT WE'D MAKE YOU FEELCOMFORTABLE WITH, LIKE, AN

ARCHIE AND EDITH CHAIR OUT HERE.

>> I LOVE IT.

>> Larry: I REMEMBER ARCHIEALWAYS HAD SOME BEER.

>> BEER.

>> Larry: YEAH.

SO CHEERS TO THE ARCHIE BEER, IGUESS.

>> AND IT IS BEER.

>> Larry: IT REALLY IS BEER,THAT'S RIGHT.

LAST NIGHT-- WHOA!

NO!

NO!

YOU KNOW WHAT?

I'M GOING TO TELL YOU SOMETHING.

YOU SHOULDN'T EVEN ( BLEEP )AROUND LIKE THAT, MAN.

SERIOUSLY.

( LAUGHTER )THERE COMES AN AGE WHERE THAT'S

NOT A FUN GAME.

I ALMOST LOST IT THERE FOR ASECOND.

( LAUGHTER )( BLEEP ).

BUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT, IT'S FUNNYBECAUSE IT'S ALMOST A METAPHOR

FOR YOUR LIFE'S WORK, YOU KNOW.

YOU DID THINGS THAT WERE DARINGAT A TIME WHEN PEOPLE JUST

DIDN'T-- TV WAS SO SAFE WHENYOU-- WHEN YOU STARTED "ALL IN

THE FAMILY."

DID YOU EVER THINK YOU WOULD GETTHAT SHOW ON THE AIR?

>>, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE WERESTARTING TO DO THAT SHOW, I WAS

WORKING HARD TO MAKE A BUCK FORA GROWING FAMILY.

AND I DIDN'T THINK THERE WASANYTHING SO UNUSUAL ABOUT IT.

THERE WASN'T ANYTHING WE TALKEDABOUT THAT YOU COULDN'T HEAR ON

A PLAYGROUND OR A LIVING ROOMANYWHERE IN AMERICA, ALL THE

PROBLEMS, ALL THE STUFF, ALLTHE-- YOU KNOW.

AND THE ARCHIE BUNKER CHARACTER,TOO, FOR THAT MATTER.

>> Larry: RIGHT.

>> SO, YOU KNOW, I-- WE WEREWORKING TOO HARD TO UNDERSTAND

THAT WE WERE DOING SOMETHINGTHAT DIFFERENT.

>> Larry: YEAH.

IT WAS REVELATORY.

DO YOU THINK YOUR SHOWS CHANGEDCULTURE, OR DO YOU THINK YOUR

SHOWS WERE JUST REFLECTING THECULTURE THAT YOU LIVED IN?

>> OH, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

I THINK IT DID BOTH.

>> Larry: A LITTLE BIT OFBOTH, RIGHT?

>> I THINK IT DID A LITTLE BITOF BOTH.

I KNEW IT WAS REFLECTING THECULTURE BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE

WERE WRITING.

THAT'S WHAT WE WERE DOING.

SOME TIME LATER, LISTENING TOPEOPLE TALK ABOUT HAVING SEEN IT

WITH THEIR FAMILY, "OH, WEWATCHED IT."

AND THE WHOLE FAMILY WATCHED IT.

AND THEN WE TALKED.

THAT'S THE GREATEST GIFT OF ALL.

WE TALKED AFTERWARD

I MEAN, AS A KID, IT REALLY--LOOK, LET ME BE HONEST, LET ME

GIVE YOU THE 100.

YOU'RE THE REASON WHY I'M HERE.

YOU INSPIRED ME AS A KIDWATCHING THOSE SHOWS.

>> YOU'RE THE REASON.

I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW YOUR MOTHER.

>> Larry: IT'S TRUE.

NO, NO, NO.

( APPLAUSE )I MEAN--

>> I NEVER MET THE WOMAN.

>> Larry: THE ISSUES YOUBROUGHT UP, I HAD-- I DIDN'T

KNOW YOU COULD DO THOSE ISSUESON TELEVISION, YOU KNOW.

AND TO SEE-- I MEAN, ISSUESABOUT RACE.

I MEAN, WHEN ARCHIE KISSED SAMMYDAVIS JR., THINGS LIKE THAT, YOU

HAD-->> SAMMY KISSED HIM.

>> Larry: SAMMY KISSED HIM,RIGHT, RIGHT.

IN MY MIND-- AND HIS LOOK WAS SOHILARIOUS.

BUT YOU EVEN HAD AN EPISODEABOUT ABORTION ON "MAUDE."

>> YEAH.

>> Larry: HOW THE HELL-- WHATWAS THAT LIKE DO YOU THINK

SOMETHING LIKE THAT COULD BEDONE TODAY?

>> WELL, THE PEOPLE WHO RUNSHOWS TODAY TELL ME IT COULDN'T

BE DONE.

BUT I, FOR THE LIFE OF ME, DON'TSEE WHY NOT.

IT WASN'T LIKE THE WORD"ABORTION" WAS NOT A HOUSEHOLD

WORD BECAUSE IT WAS.

IT WAS HAPPENING DOWN THESTREET, ACROSS THE STREET.

IT WAS HAPPENING IN FAMILIES.

SO I DIDN'T THINK WE WERE DOINGANYTHING THAT OUTRAGEOUS.

>> Larry: IRONICALLY IT WASRIGHT BEFORE "ROE V. WADE" WHEN

YOU DID THE EPISODE?

>> RIGHT.

HERE'S THE MOST INTERESTINGTHING OF ALL.

WHEN IT WAS ON THE AIR THE FIRSTTIME, YOU KNOW, IN THE REGULAR

RUN OF THINGS, NOBODY KNEW ITWAS COMING AND NOTHING HAPPENED

>> JUST GONNA HAVE A LITTLEBEER.

( LAUGHTER ).

>> I WON'T DO IT AGAIN.

>> Larry: THAT'S OKAY.

GO AHEAD.

YOU AIRED THE ABORTION EPISODE,NO ONE CARES ABOUT

THAT'S OKAY. YOU'RE ALREADYPLAYING DEAD

>> THEY DIDN'T-- NOTHINGHAPPENED.

>> Larry: NOTHING HAPPENED,RIGHT.

>> WHEN IT WENT INTO RERUNS THEYKNEW IT WAS COMING.

THEY LAID DOWN IN FRONT OF MYCAR IN L.A.

THEY LAID DOWN IN FRONT OFMR. PALEY'S CAR IN NEW YORK.

THEY CARRIED ON BECAUSE THEYKNEW IT WAS COMING AND THE

RELIGIOUS RIGHT WENT NUTS.

>> Larry: YEAH, NOW I ALSOHEARD A STORY-- IS IT TRUE THE

BLACK PANTHERS SENT YOU AMESSAGE, AND THAT INFLUENCED

CREATING "THE JEFFERSONS"?

WHAT KIND OF STORY IS THAT?

( LAUGHTER )TELL ME IF THAT'S TRUE, THAT IS

AWESOME.

>> IT'S AN ELEMENT.

>> Larry: OKAY.

>> "GOOD TIMES" WAS ON FOR ACOUPLE OF YEARS.

THERE BEGAN TO BE IN THE BLACKPRESS A COUPLE OF COMPLAINT.

>> Larry: I REMEMBER THAT.

>> THAT "WHY DOES A BLACKFAMILY-- WHY DOES A GUY HAVE TO

HAVE TWO JOBS AND TRYING TO HOLDDOWN A THIRD JOB?"

>> Larry: WHY DO THE BLACKPEOPLE GOT TO BE POOR?

>> SO AT THAT TIMCAME INTO MY OFFICE, MY

SECRETARY, AND SAID, "THERE'S AGUY OUT HERE WITH A COUPLE OF

BLACK GUYS WHO SAY THEY WANT TOSEE THE GARBAGE MAN."

>> Larry: THE GARBAGE MAN?

>> THE GARBAGE MAN.

SO I SAID, "WELL, SEND THEM IN."

AND THEY CAME IN.

THEY SAID, "OKAY, WHERE'S--YOU'RE THE GARBAGE MAN.

WHAT ABOUT THAT GARBAGE ONTELEVISION "THE JEFFERSONS"?

WHY DOES ONE MAN-- ORGOOD TIMES."

WHY DOES ONE MAN HAVE TO HOLDDOWN --

>> THEY SAID THIS TO YOU?

>> YEAH.

SO I SAID, "CAN I SHOW YOUSOMETHING?"

I TOOK THEM OVER TO THE WINDOWAND PARTED THE CURTAIN.

SAYID, "IF YOU LOOK DOWN" WEWERE UP ON THE THIRD FLOOR.

"IF YOU LOOK DOWN THERE AND SEETHOSE CANS, THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE

GOING TO FIND THE GARBAGE MAN."

SO THE GUY TAKES A BIG PAUSE,AND THEN HE SAYS, "WELL, HERE'S

WHY WE'RE REALLY HERE TO TALK TOYOU."

>> Larry: WOW.

>> AND THEN HE TALKED ABOUT WHYDOES THE BLACK GUY HAVE TO WORK

THREE JOBS?

AND WE HAD READ ABOUT IT THIS INTHE PRESS, AND WE ALREADY HAD

THE IDEA OF MOVING -->> IT KIND OF START AID

CONVERSATION.

>> YEAH.

SO LET'S GENAYPLAYING ON "GOOD

TIMES" WROTE THE LYRICS "MOVINGON UP."

AND WE MOVED ON UP.

>> Larry: THAT'S AWESOME.

I HAD HER ON.

JUST A COUPLE OF MORE QUESTIONS.

YOU WERE ALSO ON NIXON'S ENEMIESLIST.

>> THAT'S A BADGE OF HONOR.

>> Larry: THAT IS A.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )YOU, JOHN LENNON.

I MEAN, WHEN YOU HEARD ABOUTTHAT, WHAT WAS YOUR REACTION?

>> WELL, I-- YOU KNOW, BY THATTIME-- NO, NO, NOT BY THAT TIME.

THAT WAS SOME TIME LATER.

I MENTIONED BADGE OF HONOR.

I THOUGHT IT WAS GREAT.

>> Larry: YEAH, IT WASAWESOME.

>> THAT'S WHERE I WISHED TO BE.

BUT SOME TIME LATER, WHEN THEY--THE TAPES, THE NIXON TAPES THAT

WERE TAKEN, THE CONVERSATIONS INTHE OVAL OFFICE.

>> Larry: YEAH.

>> THERE HE WAS FOR THREEMINUTES TALKING ABOUT THIS SHOW.

>> Larry: HE WAS OBSESSED.

>> OBSESSED WITH ARCHIE BUNKER.

YET WHY DO THEY PUT A GOOD MANDOWN.

>> Larry: ARCHIE WAS THEPROTAGONIST AND HE'S THE HERO.

AND HE WAS LIKE, "I THINK THEREARE HOMOSEXUALS ON THAT SHOW."

HE DID.

>> AND HOMOSEXUALITY, HESAID, SUNK TWO NATIONS, GREECE

AND ROMANS.

>> Larry: THOSE ROMANS TRIEDHOMOSEXUALITY.

IT JUST DIDN'T WORK OUT.

THAT'S WHAT HE SAID.

SPEAKING OF PRESIDENTS, DO YOUKIND OF FEEL A LITTLE BIT

RESPONSIBLE FOR HAVING ARCHIEBUNKER RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT

RIGHT NOW?

( LAUGHTER )( APPLAUSE )

BE HONEST.

>> HERE'S WHAT I THINK.

>> Larry: BE HONEST.

>> HERE'S WHAT I THINK THEAMERICAN PEOPLE ARE DOING.

>> Larry: OKAY.

>> WE'RE TALKING, OF COURSE,ABOUT "THE DONALD."

>> Larry: I DIDN'T SAYANYTHING.

>> I THINK WE'RE SEEING THEAMERICAN PEOPLE-- I MEAN,

LEADERSHIP EVERYWHERE YOU LOOK,WHETHER IT'S THE CAR COMPANIES

OR THE CHEMICAL COMPANIES AND--MAKING, YOU KNOW, THE DRUGS AND

SO FORTH FOR YOUNG PEOPLE, ITHINK YOU SEE THE AMERICAN

PEOPLE GIVING THE FINGER TOAMERICAN LEADERSHIP WITH DONALD

TRUMP, YOU KNOW.

THIS IS WHAT.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )>> Larry: I'LL TELL

YOU STICK AROUND AND JOIN OURPANEL A LITTLE LATER?

>> I'LL DO ANYTHING YOU AND THISAUDIENCE SAY.

>> Larry: GREAT.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ).

>> Larry: LADIES ANDGENTLEMEN, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A

QUICK BREAK AND THEN NORMAN WILLBE ON OUR PANEL.

NORMAN LEAR, EVERYBODY.

WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK!

I'M HERE WITH RICK ROSS

AND IT'S TIME FOR THE GAME WELIKE TO CALL KEEP IT 100.

FOR GUYS WHO DON'T KNOW WHAT ITMEANS YOU KNOW

IT MEANS KEEP IT 100 PERCENTREAL OR KEEP IT HUNNID'

ALRIGHT? ALRIGHT, RICK KNOWSWHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.

OKAY RICK ROSS THIS IS FOR YOU.

>>RICK ROSS: LET'S GO BABY.

>>LARRY: ALRIGHT MAN.

ALRIGHT, YOU READY?

>>ROSS: BORN READY.

>>LARRY: OKAY, REMEMBER YOU GETA STICKER IF YOU KEEP IT 100.

IF NOT, I'M GUNNA HAVE TO THROWSOME WEAK TEA AT YOU.

>>ROSS: LET'S GO.

>>LARRY: ALRIGHT MAN, THEUNIVERSE OFFERS YOU A DEAL,OKAY?

YOU CAN END RACISM FOREVER,ALRIGHT?

BUT YOU HAVE TO BECOME GOOD,CLOSE FRIENDS WITH FIFTY CENT.

ALRIGHT.

I MEAN.

YOU HAVE TO-

YOU HAVE TO LIKE HANG OUT AT THEPOOL TOGETHER...

YOU GOTTA GO EAT TOGETHER...

TAKE, LIKE TAKE SKI TRIPSTOGETHER...

I DON'T CARE! WHATEVER!

YOU GUYS-

YOU GUYS ARE PALS

DO YOU DO IT? AND KEEP IT 100!

DON'T YOU EVEN TRY TO LIE.

>>ROSS: IMMA KEEP IT A HUNDRED

IMMA STOP RACISM

YEAH, YEAH.[APPLAUSE]

>>LARRY: SO YOU GUYS ARE GUNNABE TIGHT?

>>ROSS: I MEAN, I MEAN....

>>LARRY: YOU GUYS GOTTA BETIGHT!

>>ROSS: I MEAN IF I GOTTA TAKEHIM TO WING STOP

AND HAVE HIM EAT SOME LEMONPEPPER WINGS THAT

TO STOP RACISM, THAT'S WHAT IMMADO.

>>LARRY: THERE YA GO!

THAT'S KEEPIN IT A HUNDREDEVERYBODY!

RICK ROSS!

HE DID IT!

[APPLAUSE AND CHEERING]