April 13, 2016 - Bernie Sanders

  • 04/13/2016

Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders joins Larry to discuss his primary election prospects, the Michigan water crisis and his proposal to break up the banks.

Okay.Thank you very much.

Thank you. Oh, please.Please.

Welcome to The Nightly Show.

I... I'm your hostLarry Wilmore.

Tonight we're joined by SenatorBernie Sanders on the show.

-(cheering, applause)-Bernie, yeah.

Yes. Um...

I have to say, though, uh,

I'm not sure, uh,what he's here to plug. Uh...

I think he's in a movieabout the president

or something like that.I don't know.

Guy's a good actor. Oh, butbefore we get started, um, God,

we have a quick correctionand apology I have to make.

On Monday's show we did a storyabout the Panama Papers

and intended to name formerIcelandic Prime Minister

Sigmundur Daví Gunnlaugsson...

Uh, yes, as one of the manyhigh-profile, uh, money-hiders.

But accidentally,we showed an image

of current IcelandicPrime Minister

Sigur ur Ingi Jóhannsson.


I know, I know. Um...

So, my apologies to Sigur ur.

Um... No, no, no, guys, no.

Guys, that's Sigourney.That's Sigourney.

She's not even Icelandic.

I don't even knowwhy did you that.

Uh, I need to see Si-Sigur urIngi, uh, Jóhannsson.

That's Siegfried and Roy, guys.

I'm talking aboutthe Icelandic leader, okay?

That's just a generic Viking!What are you doing?

What's up, graphics department?Please.

Yes, thank you. Um, I'msincerely sorry, Sigur ur,

for confusing youwith Sigmundur.

And that concludes tonight'sIcelandic correction.

Thank you very much.Thank you very much. Okay.

Now... Man, I'm so excited.I'm so excited.

I'm, like, shaking.Shaking about tonight.

Oh, and you know what? Sincewe have Bernie Sanders here--

the man of the people--we thought we'd dedicate

tonight's show to hisfavorite people: billionaires.

(whooping, applause)

All right, let's start withRussian billionaire Yuri Milner.

What you doing, man?

REPORTER: Yuri Milner is joining forces

with physicist Stephen Hawking

for a $100 million project

called Breakthrough Starshot.

Breakthrough Starshot?

Wait, does this meanI have to rename

the toddler beauty pageantI host every other weekend?

All right.

What is this billionaire-fundedBreakthrough Starshot?

Project Starshot will enable usto see if there is any life

near to our neareststellar neighbors.

REPORTER: The plan is to create a swarm

of postage-sized spacecraft. Each device would also contain

a camera and communications equipment,

all of it weighing less than an ounce.

Of course, the tinypostage-sized spacecraft

will be piloted by Kevin Hart.

Very nice. Thank youfor your service, Kevin.

Oh, I mean...Thank you, sir.

Thank... Thank you.Okay.

Uh, but honestly, this isa truly awesome endeavor.

Listen to this.

REPORTER: It could get to thenearest star to our galaxy

in about 20 years.

Amazing, guys.

Tens of trillions of milesin 20 years.

That's within our lifetimes,assuming we all don't die

when President Trump enacts ThePurge during his first 100 days.

But sending our tiny roboticemissaries

piloted by a famous diminutiveblack comedian

to another potentiallylife-sustaining planet

within 20 years-- man! Man!

How can younot be humbled by that?

So, real quickly,this thing is the fastest

we've ever gotten into spaceand in... through space,

but it would still take 20 yearsto get to Alpha Centauri, right?

-That...-That's exactly right.


Was he yawningduring that thing?

Well, Neil Cavuto'snot impressed at all.

We're talking about traveling26 trillion miles in 20 years

and he's acting likethey just told him

it would be a 45-minute waitat Cheesecake Factory.

How can this not inspire you?

You guys know I'm a blerd.

You know I-I love this stuff.

Are we not impressedby space travel anymore?

Um, is it a money thing?

REPORTER: Compared to the overall U.S. budget,

NASA's share is kind of pocket change.

According to numbers from the office

of management and budget, total U.S. outlays for 2016

are an estimated $3.99 trillion.

NASA's request would earmark

$18.529 billion.

Okay, don't get me wrong, guys--$18.5 billion is a lot of money.

That's like... four Uber tripsduring surge pricing, right?

It's a lot.I get it.

But, look, it's only.46% of the budget.

whereas in the '60swe spent an average

of 2.5% of the budget on NASA.

NASA's our old boo.

We don't prioritize itlike we used to.

Sorry, boo.

And the result is that some ofthe most exciting innovation

is coming from privateinterests that will own

humanity's access to spaceand do with it

whatever capitalismtells them is most profitable.

Which, look, all right, fine, ifthat's all we got, that's fine.

But, I mean, when I was a kid,I dreamed about

getting on boardthe Starship Enterprise.

Now it's got to be calledAnheuser-Busch presents

the Starship Bud Light Lime-A-Rita

in partnership with Enterprise Car Rental.

I know, I know.

Okay. Meanwhile,back here on Earth,

the New York presidentialprimary is next week,

renewing the debateover some harsh criticism

of New Yorkcoming from the right.

You suggested Mr. Trump

"embodies New York values."

Could you explainwhat you mean by that?

You know, I thinkmost people know

exactly whatNew York values are.

(fake chuckle)

I think most people know exactlyhow slimy and creepy you are.

(cheering and applause)

(whimpering)You know what?

I'll tell you what. I'll tellyou about New York values.

No, wait, guys, it's not fair.

I've only lived here,like, a year and a half.

You know what,here's a native New Yorker

to talkabout real New York values.

♪ Welcome to my c-city...

(cheering and applause)

Thank you!

Thank you!

(cheering and applause)

(crowd chanting "Bernie!")

Thank you!

And thank you, Larry.That's right.

It's me,Bernie Brooklyn-born Sanders.

And guess what, Ted Cruz,

I have New York values.

(cheering and applause)

I value a living wagefor all Americans.

I value a justice systemthat treats everyone fairly.

I value a governmentwhich works for all of us,

not just Wall Streetand powerful special interests.

Those are New York values.

(cheering and applause)


And you know what New York is?

It's a place built

by the backbreaking workof immigrants.

Immigrants like your family,Ted Cruz.

And when you say havingNew York values is a bad thing,

you insult my city, my state,

my culture, and my heritage.

I am the son of an immigrant,

and I am proud of it.

(cheering and applause)

You started... you startedthis New York values nonsense

as an attack on Trump,

and I've got some New Yorkvalues for him, too.


Mr. Trump, you wouldn't knowNew York values

if they were writtenin 50-foot gold letters

on the sideof the Empire State Building.

(cheering and applause)

New York values arethe Statue of Liberty,

not a wall between usand Mexico.

In New York, we pride ourselveson our diversity.

We don't divide people upbased on where they were born.

I was born and raisedin Brooklyn.

BK, stand up! Fight back!

Don't let anyone tear us down!

(cheering and applause)

I will never lose the values

that New York and my familyhave given me.

As New Yorkers, we understand

what New York valuesreally mean.

We believe in the valueof hard work.

We believe in the valueof equality.

We believe in the valueof a society

where the American dreamworks for all,

not just the one percent.

Those are New York values.

And the truth is New York valuesare American values.

There is no difference.

(cheering and applause)

Oh! Oh!

Oh, man! Oh!

Bernie Sanders, everybody!

We'll be right backwith more Bernie!

Oh, Bernie, you dropped the mic!

Oh, my God!

Welcome back!

We've got a special one-on-oneinterview tonight.

Now, you may know him as thatguy who's always surrounded

by 25,000 unwashed millennials.

But please welcome the juniorU.S. senator from Vermont

and Democratic presidentialcandidate, Bernie Sanders,

-everybody!-(cheering and applause)


Welcome to the show, Bernie.Welcome back to the show.

-Thank you very much. -Uh, thatwas a very impressive mic drop

you did earlier, I have to say.Very impressive.

Uh, so, Bernie,you're killing it right now.

You've won eightof the last nine.

-Caucuses and primaries, yeah.-Unbelievable.

The New York primary is comingup. You have momentum right now.

-Yeah. -That's what we've beentalking about. But, uh,

it seems like Hillary has...I guess I would describe it

-as math-mentum. Right?-Mm-hmm.

So, uh, do you have a pathwith the math?

Or is your pathwithout the math?

No, our path is with the math.

-With the math. Good.-Um, you know,

we started off this campaignhaving to run

-in the Deep South, uh, which...-Trust me,

I know about runningin the Deep South. Trust me.

It's not an easy thing to do.

You don't, uh...

A-And we didn't do thatall that well. It's a pretty...

pretty cons... Yeah,i-it's a conservative part

-of our country. Uh, but sincewe've been out -Yes.

of the South, we're doingpretty well, and I think, uh,

as the weeks and monthscome ahead,

-the states that we're lookingforward to, -Mm-hmm.

uh, here in the Northeastand out West,

are more progressive states.And I think we got a real shot

to win 'em, and I think we havethe... a-a real chance

-uh, to winthe pledged delegates. -Mm-hmm.

-And then what I think is...-Right.

When a lot of these so-calledsuperdelegates begin to see

which candidate is the strongercandidate against Donald Trump,

they're goingto look at all of these polls

-which have meway ahead of Trump. -Yeah.

A higher margin ahead of himthan Hillary Clinton.

And I think some of these guysare gonna be coming over.

Now that's...A lot of people have talked

about the superdelegates.

It seems mysteriousto some people.

-You know, and they're reallybasically party insiders. -Yes.

And you're really positioningyourself as an outsider.

-Do you have a way...?-You might say that, Larry.

-Yes, you're right.-That's right.

-Now, do you have...?-(laughter, applause & cheering)

Yeah. So, see, it's true.

Do you have a way of convincingthe superdelegates?

Or as I used to call themin the '90s, superpredators.

-(Sanders laughs)-(laughter)


-Just a little joke there.-Okay. -(applause and cheering)

-What is your plan to get...?-Here is the plan.

'Cause they're really...they're insiders.

-They're your insiders.-Yes.

-But we all shareone thing in common. -Mm-hmm.

And it is that we understandit would be a disaster

for this countryif Trump or Cruz

-or somebody like thatbecame president. -Yeah.

And I think whatsome of these guys...

I thinkTrump even believes that.


Uh, and I thinkwhat some of these people

-are going to takea hard look at... -Mm-hmm.

...is which of us--Secretary Clinton or myself--

is the stronger candidateagainst Trump or Cruz.

All of the evidence,based on the polling, is

that I amthe stronger candidate,

and the reason isthat I will end up

with, you know, virtuallyall the Democratic support,

but I am doing much betterthan Secretary Clinton

-in getting Independentsinvolved. -Right.

And that's why I thinkI'm the stronger candidate,

and why I'm quite confidentthat I can beat Trump.

WILMORE: And you mentionedthe Southern states.

A lot of those states are takenby Republicans anyway.

-Right. That's right.-A lot of the states that

you're competing in arethe blue states at this time.

-Exactly. Yeah.-For the election,

-that's got to mean a lotto them. -Exactly.

-So the question is-- and I hopethis will change. -Mm-hmm.

The truth is the day will come

when progressives will winin Mississippi

-and Alabama and Louisiana.-(laughing): Oh, Bernie.

-I know you're laughing.-Oh, Bernie.

-(applause and cheering)-(Wilmore fake laughs)

-That day will come...-It's possible.

...because these are some ofthe poorest states in America.

-Yes. -They should not be votingfor right-wing Republicans.

Uh, but that daymay not be here right now.

(applause and cheering)

-So I think your point is...-Mm-hmm.

...the statesthat are really up for grabs--

whether it's New Hampshire,Iowa, so forth--

do I think have the better shotof winning those states?

-The answer is I do.-Yeah.

Now, it's funny 'causeJoe Scarborough, Morning Joe...

And some people have beensaying this.

I said this a while agowhen were you here, too.

He feels that the primary systemis rigged.

He was talkingabout the Democratic primary.

What is your feeling on that?

-Well, you know, one can argue.-Mm-hmm.

There are people who say,"Why does Iowa go first?

-Why does new Hampshirego first?" -Yeah.

-Uh, but I think that having somany Southern states... -Mm-hmm.

-Yeah. -...go first kind ofdistorts reality, as well.

Yeah. Here's the wayI like to explain it.

Let me explain it in cards,you know.

I like to explain everything.

Okay, let's imagine these cardsare the voters, right?

-Right.-Bernie, it's fine.

Now, Bernie, you're doing well.

You win the primary vote,

and you've got, like, it lookslike ten delegates, right?

-(Sanders laughs) -That's whatit looks like, right?

-SANDERS: Yeah. -But thenthat Democratic primary machine

comes in and, bam, that's whatit feels like, right?

-Like two, right? Exactly.-(laughter, cheers and applause)

-And for... Yes. -But, Larry,one of the points...

-One of the pointsthat I do want to make. -Yes.

Not widely made.

We have taken onthe whole establishment.

In state after state,

we're running againstthe senators and the governors

-and almost all membersof the congress. -Mm-hmm.

But what's happening is,ordinary people are standing up,

and they're saying,"You know what?

"You know,maybe it's a little bit too late

-for establishment politics."-Mm-hmm.

"We have to take onbig money interests,

and we're gonna do it our way."

Let me ask you this.

So, um, if you become president,

um, you'll facemaybe a Republican senate,

Republican house.

How are you going to get themto feel the Bern?

I mean,Obama's there for eight years.

They couldn't feel the blackin that amount of time.

-(laughter, applause) -I mean,how are you gonna get them

to feel the Bern, you know?

Answer is,if I win, it will mean

that there will bea huge voter turnout.

-All right.-(laughter)

-(cheers and applause)-Right.

If there isa large voter turn out,

I suspect the Democrats

-will recapture the senate anddo better in the house. -Mm-hmm.

But more importantly,what our campaign is about,

is not justelecting a president.

-It is creatinga political revolution. -Right.

And that's what we have to do,and that means

millions of people,many of whom have given up

on the political process,young people

who have not yet votedor participated

-in the political process...-Mm-hmm.

...standing up and fighting back

and taking on the establishmentand demanding a government

which works for all of usand not just the one percent.

And when that happens andwhen millions of people stand up

and fight back, you know what?

You can see real changein this country,

and the congress will,in fact, be forced

to do whatthe American people want.

Okay. All right. We'll be rightback with more Bernie Sanders.

(cheers and applause)

All right, welcome back.

So I'm back herewith Bernie Sanders!

(cheers and applause)

All right.

Okay. Yeah, it's, uh...

It always strikes me whenyou use the words "revolution,"

and you talkabout breaking up the banks

and that sort of thingyou're passionate about it.

Bill O'Reilly was talkingabout this the other night.

He actually said...He was talking about you.

He said he's never seena candidate more dissociated

with reality than you.

He also said poor black peoplehave tattoos on their forehead,

and that's whythey can't get jobs, you know?

-This is whatBill O'Reilly said. -(laughter)

So, um, um, how exactlywould you break up the banks?

Very simply. We have...there are a couple of ways

-you can do it.-Uh-huh.

You can do it throughsection 121 of Dodd-Frank,

or you could do it, preferably,through legislation

that I have offered,which basically, uh...

says thatthe Secretary of the Treasury

will make a determination asto which banks, if they failed,

-Mm-hmm.-would bring systemic damage

to our entire economy,

i.e., are "too big to fail."

You do that study,and then we break them up.

And we break them upbecause today

-three out of the fourlargest banks -Mm-hmm.

are bigger than they werewhen we bailed them out

because they were"too big to fail."

We break them up because the sixlargest financial institutions

in this country have assetsequivalent to 58% of the GDP

of this nation, issuetwo-thirds of the credit cards

and one-third of the mortgages.

-Yeah. -I think that's too mucheconomic and political power

in too few hands.

I do believethey should be broken up.

And they make upall their own rules

-for all of these things, too.-Look,

let me give you an examplewhich is really not funny.

-Mm-hmm. -You made...-(laughter)

No, we don't have to worry,don't worry, yeah.

Is... You...Just the other day,

Goldman Sachs reachedan agreement

-with the federal government.-Yes.

$5 billion settlement...

because they were peddlingfraudulent packages

-of subprime mortgage loans,worthless packages. -Mm-hmm.

-Right. The credit default swap.-Right.

-Mm-hmm.-$5 billion fine,

and you talkabout criminal justice--

how many of the executivesin Goldman Sachs,

or any of theseother large banks,

are gonna faceany criminal charges?

None. And they were all rewardedfor basically ripping off

-the American people.-Right. And this is why, Larry,

the American people areso angry and frustrated

at establishment politicsand economics.

Some kid smokes marijuana today,

-Yeah. -gets picked up,that kid has a criminal record

for the rest of his life, but ifyou're a Wall Street executive

-and destroy the economy,you're right, -Right.

you get an increase in your...in your compensation.

-That's got to change.-Let me ask you this, too.

-(whooping, applause)-Um... uh...

There you go. Okay.

Uh... I just wantto get this in.

Uh, I knowyou're very passionate

about income inequality--

you know, resonates with...

actually, it resonateswith people on both sides,

uh, both Republicansand Democrats.

There aredifferent prescriptions for it.

You've talked a lotabout wage increases,

but what about job increases--do you have a prescription?


All right, number one, we've gotto change our trade policies.

-Mm-hmm.-As a result of NAFTA

and permanent normaltrade relations with China

and other trade agreements,we have lost

millions of decent-paying jobs,

corporations shut downin America,

they go to China,they got to M... Mexico.

We've got to change that.Number two,

-I was in Flint, Michigan,a couple of months ago. -Yeah.

What I saw thereand what I heard there,

-literally, Larry...-It's terrible.

It was more than terrible--you could not believe

that you were talkingto people in America

-in the year 2016.-I agree.

-It was horrible.-Mm-hmm.

We have got to rebuildour crumbling infrastructure.

That's our water systems,wastewater plants,

our roads and bridges.

We have a planfor a trillion dollars,

creates 13 milliondecent-paying jobs.

And then we got to raisethis minimum wage

to 15 bucks an hour, so thatpeople who work 40 hours a week

are not living in poverty.

-Great. One last question,-(cheering, applause)

then we have to go.

Um... now, Bernie,I understand you used to be...

you used to be a carpenter,is that right?

Well, I used to help outin carpentry.

-I wouldn't want to go too far-Help out in carpentry.

-on that, yeah.-Right. And you're Jewish.

-Yes. -And, uh... uh...-(laughter)

(laughs) I get whereyou're going, but no.

No, no, no. And...I'm just saying,

-and the pope loves you, right?-Right.

Millions of people cometo hear you speak...

your sermons on mounts.


are you Jesus?

(cheering, whooping, applause)

All right.

You don't haveto answer that, Bernie.

(laughs): Well, I'll tell youthe answer to that.

I am going to the Vatican,and I'm very excited about that,

-Yes.-because I think Pope Francis

has been an extraordinary...visionary,

uh, in the fight for socialand economic justice,

and to understand that, um...

we have got to transformour energy system

if we're gonna save this planetfrom climate change.

So going to the Vatican, uh...

at a meeting that, you know,he has called, is something

-that I'm very excited about.-Yes, and if the pope

is using that kind of language,I have hope for Mississippi.

Bernie Sanders, everybody.

How about a nice handfor Bernie Sanders!

-(cheering, applause)-Thank you, Bernie.

-Thank you.-Thank you so much.

We'll be right backright after this!

-♪ -Yes! Bernie Sanders!

(cheering, applause continue)

-♪ -(cheering, applause)

Okay, we've run out of time,

but my thanksto Senator Bernie Sanders.

Good Nightly, everyone!

-(cheering, applause)-Thank you! Whoo!

MAN: Ooh, sorry.