December 10, 2014 - Sarah Koenig

  • 12/10/2014

Pundits react to a scathing Senate report on torture, Tom Blanton discusses CIA interrogation tactics, and Sarah Koenig talks about her investigative podcast, "Serial."

(AUDIENCE CHANTING "STEPHEN!")

THAT'S IT. THAT'S THE ANSWER.( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )

THAT'S WHAT THIS COUNTRY NEEDSMORE OF.

THAT IS THE SOUND OF FREEDOM.THAT IS THE SOUND OF AMERICA

THAT IS THE SOUND OF TRUTH. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE

>> Stephen: WELCOME TO THEREPORT, EVERYBODY.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEINGHERE.

GOOD TO HAVE YOU WITH US.

FOLKS, I GOTTA TELL YOU-- FOLKS,THANK YOU, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR

THAT, FOR THAT WELCOME, BECAUSETONIGHT, I AM BESIDE MYSELF WITH

ANGER AND HE'S MAD, TOO.

( LAUGHTER )BECAUSE YESTERDAY, SENATE

DEMOCRATS DROPPED A TURD OFINFORMATION INTO THE NATIONAL

PUNCH BOWL OF BLISS.

>> EXPLOSIVE REPORT, THE SENATEREVEALS C.I.A. SECRETS ABOUT

TORTURING TERROR SUSPECTS.

>> THE REPORT WRITTEN BY SENATEDEMOCRATS SAYS THE C.I.A.

OVERSTATED THE PROGRAM'SSUCCESSES WHILE HIDING ITS

HORRORS.

>> IT IS A DAMNING INDICTMENT.

>> IT IS DAMNING, INDEED.

>> Stephen: YES, A DAMNINGREPORT ABOUT ENHANCED

INTERROGATION.

THE PROGRAM WAS STARTED UNDERPRESIDENT BUSH IF YOU RECALL,

AND IF YOU DON'T RECALL, THEC.I.A. HAS WAYS TO MAKE YOU.

IT'S ALL DETAILED IN THIS500-PAGE TRAVESTY, WHICH SPILLS

SENSITIVE TORTURE SECRETS ANDREADS LIKE "50 SHADES OF

LEGAL GREY AREAS."

( LAUGHTER )( APPLAUSE )

YEAH, YEAH.

SPICY STUFF, OH, YEAH.

THERE'S A LITTLE BONDAGE.

( LAUGHTER )JIM?

>> AMERICAN INTERROGATORSPUNCHED, SHACKLED, DRAGGED AND

NEARLY DROWNED AL QAEDAOPERATIVES.

>> THE SEXUAL HUMILIATION OFPRISONERS, AND EVEN TORTURING

DETAINEES AFTER THE C.I.A.

DETERMINED THERE WAS NO MOREINFORMATION TO BE GAINED.

>> DETAINEES WERE KEPT IN TOTALDARKNESS AND GIVEN BUCKETS FOR

HUMAN WASTE.

>> ABU ZUBAYDAH, A TOP AL QAEDAASSOCIATE, SPENT A TOTAL OF 266

HOURS IN A LARGE COFFIN-SIZEDCONFINEMENT BOX.

>> AND THIS IS NOT PLEASANT TORECOUNT, BUT MANY INCIDENCES OF

SO-CALLED RECTAL REHYDRATION.

♪ I JUST GOTTA SHAKE, SHAKE,SHAKE.

♪ SHAKE IT OFF, SHAKE IT OFF.

WHOO-HOOO♪♪SORRY, YOU SHOULD PROBABLY GET A

PAIR OF THESE TRAGEDY-CANCELLINGHEADPHONES.

REALLY MAKES IT BETTER.

NOW, FOLKS I GOTTA ASK, WHAT ISTHE POINT OF TELLING US ALL THIS

ROUGH STUFF?

NO ONE STILL THINKS THAT IT'SEVER OKAY TO DO SOMETHING LIKE

THIS.

>> FOR THE RECORD, I STILL THINKIT'S OKAY TO DO SOMETHING LIKE

THIS, AS LONG AS IT'S DONE IN AFAIR WAY.

I THINK THE TORTURE-- I'M SORRY,THE ENHANCED INTERROGATION

TECHNIQUE, I THINK IT SERVES APURPOSE.

>> Stephen: ANOTHER, OKAY.

SO ERIC IS IN FAVOR OF TORTURE--I'M SORRY, TORTURE-- IF

( LAUGHTER )( APPLAUSE )

IF-- THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT-- IFIT'S DONE IN A FAIR WAY.

YOU KNOW, AS LONG AS THEY BRINGENOUGH HUMAN WASTE BUCKETS FOR

EVERYONE IN THE SECRET PRISON.

I AM WITH FOX'S ANDREA TANTAROSWHO IS STOKED FOR AMERICA COME

WHATEVS.

>> THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICAIS AWESOME.

WE ARE AWESOME.

BUT WE'VE HAD THIS DISCUSSION.

WE'VE CLOSED THE BOOK ON IT, ANDWE STOPPED DOING IT.

AND THE REASON THEY WANT TO HAVETHIS DISCUSSION IS NOT TO SHOW

HOW AWESOME WE ARE.

THIS ADMINISTRATION WANTS TOHAVE THIS DISCUSSION TO SHOW US

HOW WE'RE NOT AWESOME.

>> Stephen: YEAH, YEAH, THAT'SWHAT THEY WANT.

THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT.

BUT WE ARE AWESOME, AND WE HAVETO BE AWESOME, BECAUSE THE

PEOPLE WE'RE FIGHTING ARETOTALLY RADICAL.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )AND THAT'S WHY--

( APPLAUSE )THAT'S WHY, THAT'S WHY WE HAD TO

RESORT TO EXTREEEME MEASURES.

SERIOUSLY, SERIOUSLY, THINGS GOTPRETTY GNARLY.

WE-- WE SHOCKED A BRAU.

( LAUGHTER )( LAUGHTER )

( APPLAUSE ) ( CHEERS )

NOW BESIDES, ALL OF THIS ISANCIENT HISTORY.

>> WE KNOW IT WAS BAD, BUT WHYBRING IT UP NOW?

>> IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME SINCEWE'VE BEEN DOING ANY OF THIS.

SO THE NEED TO RELEASE THISDOCUMENT WITH A LOT OF GORY

DETAILS AT THIS STAGE OF THEGAME IS HARD TO FIND.

>> WE'RE AT 2014.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THINGS THATHAPPENED IN 2006, 2007, SEVEN,

EIGHT YEARS AGO.

>> Stephen: YEAH, IT WASSEVEN, EIGHT YEARS AGO.

THE C.I.A. WAS PROBABLY KEEPINGDETAINEES AWAKE BY BLASTING

FEIST.

COME ON. STILL, THERE ARE SOMEBRIGHT SPOTS

IN THIS THING AND NOT JUST THE

SPARKS OFF THE JUMPER TABLESBECAUSE AMERICA'S FORMER

PRESIDENT, AND MY HEART'SFOREVER PRESIDENT, GEORGE W.

BUSH, COMES OFF LOOKING GREAT INTHIS THING.

FOR EXAMPLE, ON PAGE 98 IT SAYS,"THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED

STATES HAD DIRECTED HE NOT BEINFORMED OF THE LOCATIONS OF THE

C.I.A. DETENTION FACILITIES TOENSURE HE WOULD NOT ACCIDENTALLY

DISCLOSE THE INFORMATION."

THAT'S RIGHT, NO, THAT'S RIGHT,THAT'S GOOD.

BECAUSE IT WOULD HAVE BEEN ALLTOO EASY FOR THE PRESIDENT TO

ACCIDENTALLY DISCLOSE THIS KINDOF INTEL.

I MEAN, IT'S A SIMPLE SLIP-UPANYBODY COULD MAKE.

WHAT YOU MEAN TO SAY ISCONGRATULATIONS TO THE WORLD

CHAMPIONSHIP SAN ANTONIO SPURSBUT WHAT COMES OUT IS WE'RE

STICKING DENTAL TOOLS UPSOMEBODY'S PEE HOLE UNDER A

BULGARIAN DISCO.

THEN.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )THEN, OF COURSE, YOU HAVE TO

SEND TIM DUNCAN TO THE DISCOBECAUSE HE KNOWS TOO MUCH.

IT'S A MESS.

AND, YOU KNOW, WHAT COURAGE THATWILLFUL IGNORANCE TAKES.

AND IT DATES BACK TO OURFOUNDING FATHERS.

REMEMBER, IT WAS GEORGEWASHINGTON WHO FIRST SAID-- AND

I QUOTE-- BLOOOLOOLOOLOOLOO.

HE DIDN'T WANT TO KNOW WHAT WASGOING ON EITHER BECAUSE HE WAS

TORTURING PEOPLE, TOO.

DON'T BELIEVE ME?

JUST ASK AMATEUR HISTORIAN ANDBROWN-HAIRED GUY WHO'S NOT STEVE

DOOCY OR AN HISTORIAN, BRIANKILMEADE.

>> WHEN SOMEONE OR SOME GROUP ISTRYING TO DESTROY YOU AND YOUR

WAY OF LIFE, YOU NEED TO DOWHATEVER IT TAKES TO STOP THEM.

>> GEORGE WASHINGTON DID, ANDTHAT'S A FACT.

SO FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO SAYTHAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE BUILT ON,

WE DON'T BEAT THE BRITISHWITHOUT DOING IT.

>> Stephen: YEAH, WASHINGTONTORTURED THE BRITISH SO HARD,

THEY'RE STILL TALKING FUNNY.

( APPLAUSE ) ( CHEERS )

YEAH.

THAT'S HOW WE DID IT.

NOW, WE LOOKED IT UP, AND INACTUALITY, WASHINGTON DIDN'T

TORTURE THEM.

BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN HE DIDN'T.

BECAUSE WHILE THE C.I.A. WASCONDUCTING AN ALL-YOU-CAN-PUMP

RECTAL-HYDRATION FESTIVAL,HERE'S WHAT GEORGE BUSH SAID.

>> THE UNITED STATES DOES NOTTORTURE.

>> Stephen: AND HE SHOULD KNOWBECAUSE HE SPECIFICALLY ASKED

NOT TO BE TOLD.

NOW, ANOTHER PERSON WHO DOESN'TWANT TO BE TOLD THINGS IS WOLF

BLITZER, WHO YESTERDAY BLITZEDDIANNE FEINSTEIN, THE CHAIRMAN

OF THE SENATE COMMIT THEYRELEASED THIS REPORT.

>> WAS IT WORTH IT TO RELEASETHIS REPORT TODAY IF IN FACT

AMERICAN LIVES, DIPLOMATS,MILITARY PERSONNEL, CIVILIANS

ARE GOING TO BE IN DANGER?

>> LOOK, THERE IS NO PERFECTTIME TO RELEASE THIS REPORT.

THERE HAVE BEEN BEHEADINGS.

THERE HAVE BEEN ATTACKS WITHOUTTHIS REPORT COMING OUT.

>> BUT IF AMERICANS ARE KILLEDAS A RESULT OF THIS REPORT AND

THEY TELL YOU THAT, I ASSUME YOUWOULD FEEL GUILTY ABOUT THAT.

>> I WOULD FEEL VERY BADLY, OFCOURSE.

I MEAN WHAT, DO YOU THINK, WOLFBLITZER?

( LAUGHTER )>> Stephen: YES.

WHAT DO YOU THINK, WOLF ISAACBLITZER.

AND DON'T YOU ROLL YOUR EYES ATME, YOUNG MAN.

NOW GO CLEAN YOUR SITUATION ROOMOR YOUR FATHER AND I WILL TAKE

AWAY YOUR BEARD TRIMMER.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ).

I NEVER, IN ALL MY YEARS--FOLKS, I GOTTA TELL YOU, I'M

WITH WOLF BLITZER ON THIS ONE.

AS JOURNALISTS IT IS OUR SACREDDUTY TO FACE THOSE IN AUTHORITY

AND ASK SHOULD WE REALLY KNOWTHIS?

THE POINT IS I DON'T WANT TOLEARN WHAT'S IN THIS REPORT.

WHEN WE RETURN, I'M GOING TOLEARN WHAT'S IN THIS REPORT WHEN

I'M JOINED BY THE DIRECTOR OFTHE NATIONAL SECURITY ARCHIVE AT

GEORGE WASHINGTON UNIVERSITY,TOM BLANTON.

WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.

>> Stephen: WELCOME BACK,EVERYBODY.

NATION, IN THE "A" BLOCK OF THESHOW I TOLD YOU WHY RELEASING

THE TORTURE REPORT WAS A BADIDEA. BUT I'M A POSITIVE GUY.

I WOULD RATHER SEE THE GLASS ASHALF FULL

OF WATER THAT CAN BE FORCED UP APRISONER'S NOSE.

TO HELP ME DO THAT RIGHT NOW,PLEASE WELCOME THE DIRECTOR

OF THE NATIONAL SECURITY ARCHIVEAT GEORGE WASHINGTON

UNIVERSITY, TOM BLANTON.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEINGBACK. GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN

ALL RIGHT, TOM, FIRST OF ALL,GREAT UNIVERSITY YOU GOT DOWN

THERE.

I WAS DOWN THERE ON MONDAY.

LOVELY PLACE.

>> YEAH, SHUT DOWN THE WHOLECAMPUS.

>> Stephen: YOU'RE WELCOME.

OKAY, FIRST OF ALL, THISDOCUMENT HERE, THIS IS JUST A

PARTISAN BLAME BUSH DOCUMENT,RIGHT?

>> IT'S JUST THE TIP OF THEICEBERG. IT'S THE EXECUTIVE

SUMMARY OF A HUGE STUDY -->> Stephen: WHAT ARE YOU

TALKING ABOUT?

IT'S 528 PAGES.

HOW MUCH MORE IS THERE?

>> WHAT'S THE BIG ONE?

SIX MILLION PAGES OF EVIDENCE ISWHAT THEY'RE CITING IN HERE, SIX

MILLION PAGES.

>> Stephen: WAIT A SECOND,WAIT A SECOND.

ISN'T THERE SOMETHING SMALLERFOR ME TO READ, LIKE MAYBE A

POP-UP BOOK, THOUGH I DON'TNECESSARILY WANT TO KNOW

WHAT WOULD BE POPPING UP.

ALRIGHT, YOU READ THIS THING.

WHAT IS IN HERE THAT SURPRISEDYOU?

>> I'M A DOCUMENT FETISHIST, ANDTHERE'S QUOTE AFTER QUOTE AFTER

QUOTE -->> Stephen: SO THIS IS "50

SHADES OF GRAY "FOR YOU.

>> YOU GOT IT.

FROM THE C.I.A. ITSELF SHOWINGTHE TORTURE WAS WRONG AND THEY

KNEW IT. CONSTANT PEOPLE FROMTHESE BLACK SITES SAYING

WAIT A SECOND.

THIS GOES TOO FAR.

THIS IS WRONG, WE CAN'T DO THIS.

I GOTTA LEAVE.

THIS IS A TRAIN WRECK.

I DON'T WANT TO BE HERE WHEN ITGOES OFF THE CLIFF.

THAT'S C.I.A. COMMENT.

>> Stephen: REMEMBER, WE HEARDABOUT THIS.

WE HEARD ABOUT THE STUFF YEARSAGO.

IT WAS THREE GUYS. THEY WEREWATERBOARDED,

SOME PEOPLE WERE ROUGHED UP ANDTHAT'S IT.

>> IT TURNS OUT IT'S MORE LIKE128 GUYS. TURNS OUT ABOUT 30

OF THEM WERE PUT IN COFFINS,SOLITARY CONFINEMENT, DOUSED IN

COLD WATER.

ONE OF THEM DIED.

IT'S BIGGER THAN THEY LET ON.

AND EVEN WORSE.

♪ SHAKE IT OFF, SHAKE IT OFFOOOH-OOO♪♪

I'M SORRY, I JUST NEED TO DIPBACK IN THERE EVERY SO OFTEN.

>> I UNDERSTAND AND I DON'TBLAME YOU.

>> Stephen: BUT WHAT IS THEVALUE OF DOING THIS?

NOW KOREA AND NORTH KOREA ANDCHINA HAVE SAID AMERICA IS A

HYPOCRITE.

>> THAT'S THE FUNNY THING, THESETECHNIQUES WERE TAKEN FROM THE

CHINESE COMMUNISTS.

THEY DID IT TO OUR P.O.W.s,THEY WATERBOARDED THEM TO MAKE

THEM MAKE FALSE CONFESSIONS FORPROPAGANDA PURPOSES. THEN

OUR MILITARY STARTED TRAININGOUR GUYS TO RESIST CAPTIVITY,

IT'S A COUPLE OF THESE SURVIVALSHRINKS, THE PSYCHOLOGISTS WHO

RAN THE AIR FORCE SURVIVALTRAINING PROGRAM --

>> Stephen: THE GUYS TRYINGTO HELP OUR SOLDIERS RESIST

TORTURE-->> THEY SOLD IT TO THE C.I.A.

>> Stephen: THE TWO GUYS,DR. MITCHELL AND A DR. JESSON--

>> JIM AND BRUCE.

>> Stephen: THEY GOT HOW MUCHMONEY TO DO THIS?

>> $81 MILLION.

THAT'S ONE OF THE FACTS YOU CANFIND OUT IN HERE.

>> Stephen: $81 MILLION TODESIGN THIS THING.

I'M GOING TO BE OUT OF A JOBSOON.

IS THERE ANY WAY I CAN GET SOMEOF THAT MONEY?

>> YOU NEED TO BE A FRIEND OFTHEIRS.

THEY HIRED ALL THEIR FRIENDS.

THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THEY WEREDOING. MITCHELL AND JESSON HAD

NEVER HAD A SINGLEINTERROGATION IN THEIR WHOLE

CAREERS -- NEVER DONE ITTHEMSELVES

THEY CAME IN WITH THESETECHNIQUES THEY GOT FROM THE

CHINESE COMMUNISTS WHO WERETORTURING OUR P.O.W.s AND

SAID, "THIS IS HOW WE CAN TAKECARE OF THOSE TERRORISTS."

>> Stephen: DON'T GET MEWRONG.

I BELIEVE IN THE RULE OF LAW.

THIS IS A COUNTRY OF LAWS, BUTOUR ENEMIES ARE BRUTAL, AND

DON'T WE HAVE TO BE BRUTAL INRETURN?

>> IF WE MIRROR IMAGE THE BADGUYS, THEN WE'RE GOING TO LOSE

EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE FIGHTINGFOR.

>> Stephen: WE'RE FIGHTING FOROUR LIVES.

( APPLAUSE )OKAY, WE'RE FIGHTING FOR OUR

LIVES.

ANOTHER THIS IS-- I MEAN, YES,THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE

SHOULDN'T DO, BUT SHOULDN'T ITBE LIKE THE ATOMIC BOMB-- THAT

WE, OBVIOUSLY, WILL NEVER USEIT, BUT, OBVIOUSLY, IT'S GOT TO

BE AN OPTION THAT'S ON THE TABLEAT ALL TIMES BECAUSE WE'RE IN AN

EXISTENTIAL FIGHT FOR OUR LIVES?

>> THE MOST DAMNING THING INTHIS REPORT IS NOT THE

HYDRATION.

THE MOST DAMNING THING IN THEREPORT IS IT USES THE C.I.A.'S

OWN DOCUMENTS TO GO THROUGH ALL20 CASES WHERE THE C.I.A.,

PRESIDENT BUSH, EVERYBODY SAIDTHIS TORTURE PREVENTED TERROR.

AND THIS REPORT SHOWS EVERY ONEOF THOSE 20 CLAIMS ARE FALSE.

THE KEY INFORMATION THAT LED USTO BIN LADEN DID NOT COME FROM

TORTURE.

THE KEY INFORMATION THAT BROKEUP THE DIRTY BOMB BLOT PLOT DID

NOT COME FROM TORTURE.

THESE SHRINKS, PSYCHOLOGISTS,WERE THE ONES WHO GOT TO

EVALUATE THEIR OWN PROGRAM.

YOU BETTER BELIEVE THEY DID NOTGIVE EACH OTHER A FAILING GRADE.

>> Stephen: SO THEY GOT TOEVALUATE WHETHER THEIR PROGRAM

WAS WORKING?

>> YOU GOT IT.

>> Stephen: THEY WERE THEIROWN OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE?

>> YOU GOT IT.

>> Stephen, OF COURSE, IF IWERE THEM I WOULD GIVE ME A GOOD

GRADE BECAUSE I KNOW WHAT IWOULD DO TO ME IF I CROSSED ME.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ).

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

TOM BLANTON, NATIONAL SECURITYARCHIVE.

WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )>> Stephen: MY GUEST IS A

PEABODY AWARD-WINNING JOURNALIST

AND HOST OF THE TRUE CRIMEPODCAST "SERIAL."

I CAN'T BELIEVE CAP'N CRUNCHMURDERED A GUY.

PLEASE WELCOME SARAH KOENIG.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )MISS KOENIG, THANK YOU SO MUCH

FOR BEING HERE.

AS YOU CAN SEE, YOU ARE THEWORLD'S FIRST SUPERSTAR

PODCASTER.

LET'S GET INTO HOW THIS CAMEABOUT.

YOU'RE A PEABODY AWARD-WINNINGJOURNALIST.

YOU WORK FOR THE "BALTIMORE SUN"ABC NEWS, "NEW YORK TIMES,"

SPENT PAST 10 YEARS AS PRODUCERAT "THIS AMERICAN LIFE."

NOW YOU'RE HOSTING THE FIRSTSPIN-OFF PODCAST "SERIAL," AND

THE PENULTIMATE EPISODE ISAVAILABLE TOMORROW, THURSDAY,

AND YOUR LAST ONE IS THE SAMEAS MY LAST SHOW, DECEMBER 18.

THAT MEANS WE'RE WE'RECOMPETING WITH EACH OTHER.

>> I KNOW. I'M AWARE

>> Stephen: YOU'RE AWARE OFTHAT?

>> YEAH.>> Stephen: OK IT'S GO TIME.

HOW DOES IT FEEL AS AJOURNALIST, DID YOU ALWAYS WANT

TO DO TRUE CRIME REPORTING THATPEOPLE LISTEN TO ON A TREADMILL?

( LAUGHTER ).

( CHEERS )( APPLAUSE )

WHAT FIRST INSPIRED YOU TO DO ASPIN-OFF PODCAST?

WHAT FIRST DREW YOU TO DOINGTHIS MEDIUM, FIRST OF ALL?

>> I THINK-- YOU KNOW, I'D BEENWORKING AT THE RADIO SHOW FOR A

LONG TIME AND A FELLOW PRODUCER,JULIE SNYDER, AND I SORT OF WERE

THINKING WHAT ELSE DO WE WANT TODO?

WE COULD TRY THIS LITTLE THINGAND I COULD BE IN MY BASEMENT

WITH A MICROPHONE -->> Stephen: BUT WHY MURDER.

YOU'RE COMING FROM "THISAMERICAN LIFE."

IT SEEMS LIKE THE FIRST SPIN-OFFPODCAST WOULD BE SIBLINGS WHO

THOUGHT THEIR BROTHERS ANDSISTERS WERE IMAGINARY FRIENDS.

OR 24 HOURS IN A CHIROPRACTICWAITING ROOM.

WHY MURDER?

>> IT WASN'T SPECIFICALLY THATWE WANTED TO DO A SHOW ABOUT

MURDER.

WE WANTED TO BE A SERIALIZEDDOCUMENTARY.

AND THIS HAPPENED TO BE A STORYTHAT I WAS ALREADY INTERESTED

IN, THAT I WAS ALREADY-- HADJUST STARTED WORKING ON WHEN WE

GOT THE IDEA TO DO "SERIAL"."

I SAID I'VE GOT A STORY.

LET'S DO THIS ONE.

IT SEEMED TO HAVE A LOT GOING ONAND SEEMED ENOUGH TO SUSTAIN IT

OVER TIME.

>> Stephen: "SERIAL" GOT FIVEMILLION iTUNES DOWNLOADS,

FASTER THAN ANY OTHER PODCAST INHISTORY.

WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO HAVE THEMOST POPULAR PODCAST IN HISTORY?

DO YOU GET PAID IN iTUNES GIFTCARDS.

I'M TRYING TO FOLLOW THE MONEYHERE.

WHAT BENEFITS YOU DOING THIS?

>> WELL, I'M HERE.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ).>> Stephen: THAT'S ALL YOU

NEEDED TO SAY. YOU'RE MYFAVORITE GUEST OF ALL TIME NOW.

THANK YOU.

>> YOU'RE WELCOME.

>> Stephen: ALL RIGHT, LET'STALK ABOUT THE THE ACTUAL CASE

ITSELF.

>> YEAH.

>> Stephen: IT TAKES PLACE INBALTIMORE, THE SAME FICTIONAL

CITY FROM "THE WIRE."

WITHOUT GIVING REQUEST SPOILERSAWAY, CAN YOU GIVE THE PEOPLE

WHO HAVEN'T HEARD SERIAL ALITTLE NUTSHELL OF WHAT THE

CASE IS.

>> IT'S THE MURDER OF AN18-YEAR-OLD GIRL.

SHE WAS A HIGH SCHOOL SENIOR ATA HIGH SCHOOL IN BALTIMORE

COUNTY AND SHE WENT MISSING ONEDAY AFTER SCHOOL, AND NOBODY

KNEW WHAT HAD HAPPENED TO HER,AND THEN HER BODY TURNED UP

ABOUT A MONTH LATER IN A CITYPARK.

SHE HAD BEEN BURIED.

AND A FEW WEEKS LATER, HEREX-BOYFRIEND, A 17-YEAR-OLD KID,

A FELLOW SENIOR AT THE HIGHSCHOOL, ADNAN SYED, WAS

ARRESTED. AND -->> Stephen: WHY REOPEN THIS

CASE?

YOU GUYS WEEK TO WEEK GO INTO ADIFFERENT ASPECT OF THE CASE,

WHY GO BACK INTO HIS STORY?

THIS HAPPENED IN 1999.

DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT A GUYNAMED ADNAD SYAD COULD GET A

FAIRER TRIAL AFTER 9/11?

IS THERE A GOAL?

ARE YOU AN ADVOCATE JOURNALIST?

ARE YOU TRYING TO ADVOCATE FORTHIS GUY?

>> I AM NOT ADVOCATING FOR THISGUY.

WHAT GRABBED ME ABOUT THIS STORYIS A FRIEND OF HIS FAMILY CAME

TO ME AND SAID, I BELIEVE THISGUY IS INNOCENT.

THE TRIAL WAS CRAZY.

THE INVESTIGATION HAS HOLES INIT.

I BELIEVE THIS GUY'S INNOCENT.

CAN YOU TAKE A LOOK?

SO I STARTED LOOKING INTO IT,AND I JUST BECAME SO CONFUSED

SO QUICKLY.

SO I JUST KEPT GOING FROM THERE.

>> Stephen: THAT'S ONE OF THETHINGS THAT BOTHERS ME ABOUT

THIS IS THAT FROM WEEK TO WEEKYOU MIGHT CHANGE YOUR OPINION

ABOUT WHO YOU THINK DID THIS ORWHAT THE TRUTH MIGHT BE OF THE

SITUATION.

I'VE BEEN DOING THIS SHOW FORNINE YEARS, AND I HAVE NEVER

ONCE CHANGED MY OPINION ABOUTANYTHING, OKAY?

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )THAT'S COMMITMENT.

THAT'S COMMITMENT TO MY IDEALS,OKAY?

>> I KNOW.

IT'S TRUE.

WHEN YOU INVESTIGATE A STORY FORA YEAR AND A HALF, IT'S TRUE.

I LACK COMMITMENT.

( LAUGHTER ).

>> Stephen: BUT WITHOUT GIVINGANY SPOILERS AWAY, CAN YOU JUST

TELL ME IF BY THE END OF THESERIES, THAT GIRL EVER LEARNS TO

PRONOUNCE "MALE CHIMP?">> YOU KNOW, WE STILL-- WE STILL

HAVE A WEEK TO GO.

I AM STILL REPORTING.

I AM STILL REPORTING AND THINGSCOULD CHANGE BETWEEN NOW AND

THEN SO NEXT WEEK IS WHEN YOU'LLKNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.

>> Stephen: I CAN'T WAIT TOFIND OUT.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEINGHERE.

SARAH KOENIG, "SERIAL."

WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )

WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )

>> Stephen: HEY! WELL THAT'S ITFOR THE REPORT, EVERYBODY.

GOOD NIGHT.(SINGING)