July 20, 2016 - DeRay Mckesson

  • 07/20/2016

Mike Yard sounds the alarm about a "Pokemon Go" conspiracy, and Larry examines criticism of the Black Lives Matter movement with DeRay Mckesson, Holly Walker and Mike Yard.

Thank you very much.

Thank you very much,I appreciate it.

AUDIENCE (chanting):Larry! Larry! Larry! Larry!

Welcome to The Nightly Show.

I am Larry Wilmore.

Thank you, guys. There isa lot to cover tonight, guys,

a lot to cover,but before we get started,

a little Fox News news.

Looks like a foxwas in the henhouse.

And called some foxes"foxy" and...

You know, I'm sorry,this... I...

Our analogy guywas out sick today, so...

You know what, we have an updateon that asshole Roger Ailes.

Just play the clip.

REPORTER: Media mogul Rupert Murdock,

who runs 20th Century Fox,

said to have decided to remove Roger Ailes

amid sexual harassment allegations

leveled against him by this former anchor.

I'm Gretchen Carlson.Have a fantastic day.

Thank you, Gretchen.

I will have a fantastic day.

Because Roger Ailesis getting (bleep).

-Yes!-(cheering, applause)


(imitates gun cocking, firing)

So, now, we'vetalked about this before.

Ain't nobody surprisedthat Roger Ailes is a creepy-ass

-(bleep), right?-(bleep)!

And not just because he grin...

greenlit Bill O'Reilly'soriginal show,

Get Me A Scotch, Sugartits.

Uh... I don't know...

I don't knowwhat's going on down there,

and I cannot believethat didn't catch on.

Okay, but here'swhat's interesting.

So, Gretchen Carlson'saccusations

weren't enough, on their own,to get Ailes fired.

She had to get them co-signedby other women.

Enter cable newsalpha gazelle Megyn Kelly.

Yesterday Megyn Kelly,the network's rising star,

reportedly told investigatorsthat he had made similar

sexual advances towards herabout ten years ago.


And it happened ten years ago.

Let me see if I canput this in perspective.

While the rest of the worldwas furiously trying

to put Nelly Furtado's newestalbum on their Zunes...

All right... right?

You remember that, right?

Megyn Kelly's trying to ward offthat fat bastard, right?


Now, a lot of peopleare reporting kind words

Kelly had for Ailes in the past,

as if that's relevant at all.

REPORTER: Kelly had nothing but praise for her boss

when she spoke to Charlie Rose last year.

I really care about Foxand I really care about Roger

and he's beennothing but good to me

and he's been very loyal

and he's had my back.

But s... seriously,

what else is... is shegoing to say, you guys?

No, he-he's a handsy sex goblin,

um, who's harassed mebut is powerful enough to ensure

I'll never work againif I come forward?

I mean, why is thiskind of thing relevant?

And anyway, look, this is how

predators operatein the workplace.

They do nice things for women,

like hire them or promote themor cheerlead for them.

And they think thatmakes it okay to harass them.

I call it the SkeazyPass.

All right?

Okay. That's how it works.


Hey, come on,I've been nice to you.

I can therefore now be skeazy.

Unfortunately, the SkeazyPassis currently accepted

in way too many offices.

But we think it's greatthat the women of Fox

are taking a stand, and that'swhy Nightly Show contributors

Robin and Holly are hereto present them

with theirThat's What She Said Award.

That's what she said.

Thanks! Thanks, Larry!

I've got a message for menlike Roger Ailes.

Just becauseyou're in a position of power

doesn't mean you can put a womanin any sexual position.

This isn't the '50s.

You can't shove that messdown my throat.

That's what she said.

-Sorry. -R-Robin,we-we talked about this.

I know, and you're right.

It is about them;it's not about us. I got it.

Great. So what if Megyn Kellypraised Roger Ailes

in the early 2000s?He was her boss.

It was her job.

She didn't want to blow it.


That's what she said. I'm sorry!

It does make sense inthat context, but now I'm done.

-You sure?-Yes.


And shame on Ailes.

Don't act all innocent.

You knewexactly what you were doing.

-Let me give you a little tip.-That's what she said.


You know what, you know what,actually, you're right,

you're right.That's what he said.

He definitely has a little tip.That was a good catch.

-That was a good catch.-Okay.

Now, stop lying, Ailes,

because no one believes you.

And, sadly, as always,

there was no real actionuntil multiple women joined in.


Mm. Mm.


-what she...-No. Why?


And don't think your powergives you permission,

like Bill Cosby.

I mean, that asshole gavescholarships to countless women,

but he also rapedmore than 50 women.

-"Allegedly."Yeah, that's right. -Mmm.

We still haven't forgottenabout you, mother(bleep).

(cheering and applause)

BOTH:That's what we said.

-(cheering and applause)-Yeah. Yeah.

So, for standing up in the faceof sexism and abuse,

we present Gretchen Carlson,Megyn Kelly,

and all the women at Fox

who stood up to this bagof garbage

the That's What She Said Award.

All right! Yeah!

Holly Walker and Robin Thede,everybody!

Thanks, ladies. Okay.

Very good.

Very nice award. Okay.

And speaking of morally bankrupt(bleep) shows,

let's check in with, uh,night two of the RNC.

(dramatic music playing)




Oh, my God. Whew.

Whew. Whew.

So, it was a historic nightin Cleveland.

Donald Trump clinchedthe nomination.

Uh, his kids were the onlyavailable character witnesses

they could find.

Uh, there was evena real live bridge troll.

Whoa. Whoa.

But the pièce de résistance

was the long-awaited return

of my favorite Republicanprimary candidate,

Dr. Ben "Black Droopy the Dog"Carson.

And... and, let me tell you,

hey, man, he came outwith gifted hands swinging

against Hillary Clinton.

Her senior thesis wasabout Saul Alinsky.

He wrote a bookcalled Rules for Radicals.

On the dedication page,

it acknowledges Lucifer.

So are we willing to electsomeone as president

who has as their role model

somebodywho acknowledges Lucifer?

Think about that.

I shall think about that.

Okay, I'm thinking about it.

Dre, can I havesome thinking music, please?

Okay, I've thought about it.

Uh, you're a (bleep) idiot.

-(cheering and applause)-You really are.

I've thought about it. Okay,here's what I want to know!

Why is this guy speaking,anyway?

You know what? It's a differentversion of the SkeazyPass.

All right? Here's what it is.

The RNC gives major speakingplatforms to a few black people,

and it doesn't matterif they're crazy

or slamming other black people.

They can go,"See? We're diverse."

That's whyCNN's token Trump supporter

and Emperor Palpatine lookalikeJeffrey Lord

is-is so proudto say (bleep) like this.


Hmm? Hmm?

Uh, I don't needany thinking music for this one.

(bleep) that guy, all right?

Okay, so Lord mentioned theother crazy convention brother

Sheriff David Clarke,and-and that guy is SkeazyPass

in full effect.You guys know Clarke, right?

You-you... He's the...he's the Fox News pundit

and black Yosemite Samwho, um...

Right?You know what I'm talking about?

Who got to loudly proclaim thisat the RNC.

Blue lives matter in America!

(cheering and applause)

Okay, let's be 100% clear here.

We all agreethat blue lives matter.

Everybody already knowsthat's true.

It's like goingto a Beyoncé concert

and holding up a sign that says,"Beyoncé is talented."


She is.


Everyone agreeswith you already.

But Blue Lives Matter was nevermeant to just support cops.

It was meant to cynically co-optthe Black Lives Matter slogan

in order to shut it down.

It's a messageto Black Lives Matter,

and the message is"Shut the (bleep) up."

And everybody in the hall getsto cheer this,

because a black guygives them a pass.

Well, this black guy saysthat pass is revoked.

We'll be right back.

(audience cheering)

Welcome back.

Thank you.

Now, Pokémon Go debuted onlya couple of weeks ago,

but it has more usersthan Tinder and Twitter.

But some-- true--but some say Pokémon Go

is a governmentsurveillance tool.

(audience laughing)

So for more on this,let's check in

with conspiracy expert,Mike Yard,

in the latest segmentof The Y Files.

Okay, so, Mike.

Honestly, Mike,do you think Pokémon Go

is some sinister toolfor spying on us?

-Is Pokémon Go sinister?-Right, no.

Larry, I hope you likeyour new ophthalmologist, me,

'cause I'm aboutto tear the scales

from your eyes, my brother.

But, Mike,

why would our government makea game to monitor people?

The NSA got in troublefor collecting phone call data.

(imitates buzzer)You lose.

Of course, Pokémon Go wascreated by the government, man,

but not for yourgarden-variety sheeple control.

Pokémon Go was created...

to discredit Black Lives Matter.

Read it and weep, my brother.

Read it and weep.

(audience chuckles)

-Mike, that's absurd.-(audience applause)

-That doesn't even make sense.-It's all here, my brother.

-No, no, no. No, no.-It's all here.

Pokémon Go islike a stupid time-waster.

It has absolutely nothing to dowith Black Lives Matter.

Oh, come on, Larry Shill-more.


You play by walking aroundlooking down at your phone.

Okay. All right.

What? What?

So we can't record what the copsare doing to us.


-Wait.-Gotta think.

Hold on a second.

So you're saying, like the gameis so powerful and engrossing,

you just ignore everythingaround you?

Hell, yeah.

It's that seductive, Larry.

I mean, they got Charizard,they got Pikachu.

They got Vulpix.

They got Eevees.

It's like crack to us, Larry.



♪ Gotta catch 'em all.

-I mean...-It's not like crack, Mike.

It's like crack, bro.

But we have...

But, Mike, it's that wayfor everybody that plays it,

-not just black people.-(scoffs)

You know what, your ancestorsmust have been Nubian,

'cause you love denial.

(laughter, applause)

Let me ask you...

-Let me ask you something,Larry. -Mike...

-What? -What's your favoritecharacter, huh? Chumpasaur?

Mike, that doesn't evenmake sense.

All right, look...Okay, look, prove it.

How is Pokémon GO a trap

specifically riggedto catch black people?

Buckle up, buttercup.


Poké--a raw fish dish from Hawaii.

Hawaii. Barack Obama.

Obama, hated by Republicans.

Republicans, Fox News.

Fox News, Roger Ailes.

Roger Ailes, who allegedlyfired Gretchen Carlson

for not having sex with him.

Ailes is a TV set blackmailer.

Anagram it."TV set blackmailer."

Black Lives Matter. Boom!

-(applause and cheering)-Right there.

Got to peel the layers.Peel 'em all.


Yeah, but, no. No boom.

That's a giant pileof horse (bleep).

You don't have a single shredof proof

that the U.S. governmentis behind this game.

Oh. Oh. Okay, proof--that's what you're looking for?

-Proof?-Okay. Yes, please.

-Proof.-Okay, fine.

The company behindPokémon Go, Niantic Labs,

is run by John Hanke, who workedfor the U.S. foreign affairs.

Then started a companycalled "Keyhole,"

funded by the CIA's venturecapital arm, In-Q-Tel,

funded in turn by the NGA--

NationalGeospatial-Intelligence Agency.

(laughter, cheering)

Is that enough proof?

Oh, Mike. (bleep)

Is... is that all true?

-Yes, Larry.-Oh, (bleep).


-Now you're seeing.-I... man...

Oh, I'm sorry, man.

That's actually the mostplausible thing you ever said.

-I never... The NGA?!-Uh-huh. Uh-huh.

And what kind of inteldoes the NGA collect?


-Whaaat?! -(applause and cheering)

-Hey, Mike, no. See?

See, you had me, Mike,and now you lost me.

-Mike Yard, everybody.-(applause and cheering)

-You need to open your eyes...-We'll be right back.

Stay low.

Welcome back.I'm here with my panel.

First up, Nightly Show contributor Mike Yard.

(applause and cheering)

And Nightly Show contributorHolly Walker.

(applause and cheering)

And fresh out of jail for doingthe right thing in Baton Rouge,

welcome back Black Lives Matteractivist DeRay Mckesson.

(applause and cheering)

And for everyone at home,join our conversation right now

on Twitter @NightlyShowusing the hashtag #Tonightly.

Okay, so, fueledby the recent police shootings

in Baton Rouge and Dallas,

Black Lives Matterversus Blue Lives Matter

has been, like, a hot topic,

especially at the RNC conventionthis past week.

Check outMilwaukee County sheriff

David Clarke weighing in.

What is your message?

My message has been clearfrom day one two years ago.

This anti-cop sentiment

from this hateful ideologycalled Black Lives Matter

has fueled this rage againstthe American police officer.

Blue lives matter in America!

(applause and cheering)

Okay, DeRay,

you know a little somethingabout Black Lives Matter.

-Um, why got to be so anti-cop?-(laughter)

You know... you know,the movement is pro-justice.

-Mm-hmm.-And we believe

that police officersshould be held accountable

-in every city and every stateacross the country. -Mm-hmm.

So, it is not anti-cop,but it is pro-justice,

making sure that allpublic servants are accountable

to the law at all steps.

Why do you think it's so easyfor people to believe this?

There are people who alwaysbenefit from the status quo,

and Sheriff Clarkeis a great example.

And there's so many peoplewho want to defame the movement

because they don't want to live

in a worldthat's equitable and just,

and you knowthere are so many people

who are afraidto talk about racism.

It's a weird thingbecause I think

that we have all beenkind of conditioned

to believethat black equals bad.

Like, even in our language,

when we say, like, "blackmail"

or "black cat" or "black list."

-WILMORE: Mm-hmm.-Or...

Like, it just... it's...

That's the way we're positionedto think, you know.

YARD:Plus, that's

the go-to position anyway.

I mean, they did it with all...

The Civil Rights movement,they did the same thing.

-Mm-hmm. -You know, andit's not hard to demonize us.

Have you watched the newsin America?

Every channel...ever news channel you watch

is black peopledoing bad (bleep).

They got black peopledoing bad (bleep)

in statesthat there are no black people.

-(laughter, applause)-MCKESSON: I know, I know.

Really? A brother robbed a bankin North Dakota?

-WALKER: Right, right.-I know. -Come on.

I saw one Native American dude,and he was getting arrested.

-So... that's where we're at.-Right. Yeah.

Um, now, there's been a lotof criticism for the movement

for a lot of whatI'll call bad actors.

The, uh, peoplewho are protesting,

saying things like, "Pigs ina blanket, fry 'em like bacon,"

and that type of thing-- do youthink that's hurt the movement,

-or is that overplaying?-See, the reality is that, uh,

there's no charged rhetoricthat matches the violence

-that the police have inflictedon communities. -Right.

-(whooping, applause)-So we can...

So the movement is growingin its tactics, in its chants,

and the way it approaches theproblems, and it should grow,

but it's important to knowthat we are up against

a police force in this countrythat continues to kill people.

Nearly three peopleevery day this year

-have been killed by the police.-But are you frustrated

by the lack of wider empathyfor the movement?

Do you thinkthose types of things

hurts empathy for the movementwhen that happens?

-Especially... the reasonwhy I say it is because -Yeah.

when you see police shot,and then those images

are played against each other,I think it's hard

for a lot of people to haveempathy for the movement.

Let's be real, man,we all got people in our lives

-that you can't take nowhere.Come on! -Right. That's true.

-Yes! That's real. -That's true.-We all got that friend.

Every time you go out with himyou got to be like,

"Yo, chill! What the (bleep)is wrong with you?"

Why are you bringing up gunsin a supermarket?

Exactly! We all...

Well, I don't knowif we all got those friends.

I grew up with a couple of them.

-WALKER: Yeah.-I mean, let's be real...

Plus "Pigs in a blanket,fry 'em like bacon"

doesn't even rhyme, for one.

-(laughter)-And... "pigs in a blanket"

is sausage and not bacon.

-(laughter) -And...-Man, you went deep.

-Lord! Time out. -No, seriously.And you can't trust...

you can't trust peoplewho can't get their breakfast...

-Uh-huh.-you know, meats... straight.

They can't keep 'em straight.

Holly went right forthe breakfast meat analogy.

Exactly. I am seriousabout my breakfast meats.

I feel your love.She likes some breakfast, boy.

You got to keepyour breakfast meats straight.

-WILMORE: All right...-I'm sorry, I...

-You know? -I didn't mess withyour breakfast meats, Holly.

Don't be messin'with my breakfast meats.

It's not like it's Snausagesor something like that.

-YARD: Snausage! -Uh,do you think there's an issue

just with the nameBlack Lives Matter?

Why do people havesuch an issue with that name?

Was there ever a thought ofcalling it Black Lives Matter 2?

The reality is that the na...it is the truth.

And we shouldn't haveto change the truth

-to make people comfortable.-Yeah, I know, yeah.

-And that's real.-Right.

-(whooping, applause)-YARD: Plus...

plus, at this point,at this point if you claim

that you don't understandwhat Black Lives Matter means,

then eitheryou're willfully ignorant,

you got a problemprocessing information,

or you're justa plain (bleep) racist.

-Either way, get out of the way.-We got all of them.

-Get out of the way.-We're all of...

-All of the above.-All of the above.

Is there any way--how do you structurally

get rid of systemic racism?

Is there any way to structurallyget rid of that, or is this...

do you thinkit's more of a long-term....

just, like,some (bleep) got to die off.

So, we can changelaws and structures in ways...

There are laws, you think,that can help...

We can totally do it.So you think about, like,

a national Use of Force policy--you know, just with Obama,

President Obama forfour and a half hours last week,

and we talked abouta national Use of Force policy

and all these thingsthat structurally can...

Those things can be implementedon a national scale?

They can be implementedon a national level

and at the localand state level,

-Mm-hmm.-which would be really powerful.

But there's also about havinga broader conception

of safety, right? If I ask youwhere you feel the most safe,

-it's probably not in a roomfull of police. -Mm.

It's probably wherethere's people who love you

or there's food and shelter--and then the question for us

-becomes, how do we scale that,you know? -Mm-hmm.

And that'sa deeper understanding

-of what safety looks like.-Yeah.

But also, I think a good startwould be more transparency

when you investigatethese situations.

You know, how arewe gonna believe in you

-if we don't believe you.-Right. -(applause)

I agree.All right, we'll be right back.

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