February 29, 2016 - Plantation Wedding & Hollywood Diversity

  • 02/29/2016

Mike Yard and Robin Thede plan their perfect plantation wedding, and Larry examines the effects of the #OscarsSoWhite protests with Daveed Diggs, Holly Walker and Robin Thede.

All right!Welcome to The Nightly Show!

What a great crowdwe have tonight.

Thank you very much.Very kind.

-I'm Larry Wilmore. Man, we...-AUDIENCE: Larry! Larry!

Thank-thank you.Thank you. Yeah.

It almost got going.I appreciate it.

I appreciate it. It was like,"Larry! Whoa, what was that?"

I appreciate the effort.Very nice.

Man, we have a great showfor you guys tonight.

From the smash Broadway hit Hamilton,

Daveed Diggs will join uson the panel tonight.

-(applause and cheering)-All right?

Plays Thomas Jefferson, man.

So amazing. You will wantto stick around for that.

Okay, I have to start offwith this, guys.

So, last Thursday-- someoneasked about this earlier--

um, we showed footageof an audience member--

this is absolutely true--

taking a cardboard cutout of mefrom our studio.

Take a lookif you didn't see this.

We'll show it again.There he is in the corner there.

-And see that. Okay."I'm taking Larry." -(laughter)

Look at him on the street!Look at him in the street!

Look at him on the street!There he goes.

-There he goes. There he goes.-(laughter)

Okay, and then...I know, it is amazing.

And then, and then,McKinley Hart,

one of our staffers caught himwith it on the subway.


And, uh, so it's cool is that,so people on Twitter

have been spottingthe cutout everywhere

with the hashtag"Flat Larry."

So, @JRHuffNStuf tweeted, FlatLarry back in time, actually.

-(laughter)-Oh, my God. Damn.

Flat Larry lookspretty bad-ass there, man.

That's hilarious.

Okay, one of my favorites wasfrom @minor_shan

who had Flat Larry behind Cosby.


Shooting laser beams outof his eyes. Believe me, guys,

if I could do that, I would.

-Ooh! Hmm!-(laughter)

Anyhow, while Flat Larry was outhaving a good time,

drunk Larry was at homewatching the Oscars.

After the #Oscars So Whitecontroversy,

the Academy went out of its waylast night

to showcase black people.

I mean, you had Chris Rockhosted it.

Kevin Hart was there,Whoopi Goldberg was there.

You had young black people,you had old black people.

You had fake black people.

You had a white guy playing"Blackbird," right?

They even found a brotherunderneath the stage.

They had to showthe black conductor.

-(applause)-There he was.

I'm just saying,I'm just saying

they pulled outthe black, you guys. They did.

But even as they tried to callout racism, this still happened.

The Web Site Total Beautytweeted out a photo--

this is true--of Whoopi with the caption,

"We had no ideaOprah was tatted. Love it."

(laughter and groaning)

Really, guys?

I mean, you can't get this wrong

after there's beenso much controversy

surrounding the Oscars.

It's especially egregious

when you considerthese are two women

who have been globally famousfor decades.

Hell, even the peopleat the Web site

All Black People Look Alike.com

can tell the differencebetween Whoopi and Oprah.


(sighs)All right.

Anyway, since we're talkingabout bigotry,

we have to mention Donald Trump.

-Okay, so...-(laughter)

Sorry, everyone. I know.

I don't want to give himany more oxygen.

Um, that's not a euphemism,by the way.

-I mean it literally.-(laughter)

No. Somebody get me the pillow

they used to kill Scalia,and I'll do it, okay?

-(laughter)-I'll do it.

(Wilmore grunting,applause and cheering)

(muffled):"Make America..."

-(grunting)-(audience laughing & groaning)

Okay, so...

Oh, I could getin trouble for that, actually.

-(laughter)-Just realized.

So, anyhow, so here's, look.

So, David Duke,former KKK Grand Wizard said,

voting against Trump is treasonto your heritage,

uh, on his radio show, um,which you can hear every day

on Are You (bleep) Serious XM.Now...


Um, okay, Trump,this is not luxurious.

Will you, unequivocally condemnDavid Duke

and saythat you don't want his vote

or that of other WhiteSupremacists in this election?

Well, just so you understand,

I don't know anythingabout David Duke, okay?

Okay, so,you don't remember David Duke.

He was this pretty famoushorrible guy

who ran for president.

It's kind of ironicyou can't recall him.

I mean, in rap terms, you'rekind of sampling his beats.

-(laughter)-You know.

All right. Okay.

You know what? You know what?

Maybe your memory'snot that great. Um...

Okay, all right. You're the onewho said it--

uh, you didn't remember him.

I mean, last August,you said this

when you were askedabout his endorsement.

I certainly wouldn't wanthis endorsement.

So, you forgotwho he was that quick?

Okay, maybe you didn'tunderstand the question.

We're talkingabout the former Grand Wizard

of the Ku Klux Klan.

I mean, I don't knowwhat group you're talking about.

You wouldn't want meto condemn a group

that I know nothing about.

-JAKE TAPPER: Ku Klux Klan. -Butyou may have groups in there

that are totally fine,and it would be very unfair.

(laughter and groaning)

You're trying to tell usyou've never heard of the KKK?

-(laughter)"KK what? What is...?

"What, 4K, 5K, what are you...?

"Special K, Kmart,uh, Circle K?

"Every kiss beginswith Kay? I...

"What am I supposed to do--

"disavow Kay Jewelersfrom now on?

"They're a national chain,do a tremendous business!

"I mean,there's a lot of Ks out there.

"How am I supposedto know one from the other?

It's a K. It's a K. It's a K."

Now the reason... the reasonTrump's having so much trouble

disavowing himselffrom these people is

that he fundamentallyagrees with them.

And if you thinkI'm making this up,

Trump retweeted this quoteyesterday.

"It is betterto live one day as a lion

than 100 years as a sheep."

Now, the problem with that quoteis that it's from Mussolini.

-(audience sighs and groans)-Exactly.

Now, guys,we made this comparison

between Trumpand Mussolini back in September,

but never in our wildest dreamsdid we think

Trump would makethe comparison himself!

-It's unbelievable. Aah!-(applause and cheering)

What are the odds?And here's the thing. Okay.

And when Trump was confrontedwith that fact,

this was his response.

Do you want to be associatedwith a fascist?

No, I want to be associatedwith interesting quotes.

And I sent it out,and certainly,

hey, it got your attention,didn't it?

(audience groaning)

Of course it got our attention!

You running for presidentquoting a dictator

who's only friendwas Adolf Hitler!

That's even a crazy Twitter movefor Kanye.


But...but the craziest thing now

is how Trump is, like,tearing up his own party.

MAN: There's infightingwithin the republican party.

-Yup. -They're tryingto figure out what to do

if Trump does becomethe nominee.

-Senator Mitch McConnell, as youknow saying, quote... -Yeah.

"He will be dropped likea hot rock if he's the nominee."

My party is goingbat (bleep) crazy.


(applause and cheering)


No, no, no, GOP.

You're party's been bat (bleep)for a long time.

You're just finally seeing it.

You can't spend decadesexploiting race--

whether Willie Hortonor welfare queens

or disenfranchisingblack voters--

and be all shocked when a raceexploiter is your frontrunner.

And why should you be shockedthat the people who follow him

would be part of groupslike the KKK?

Trump has... Trump has createda distortion field of reality

that his followershave bought into.

At a Trump rally today--this happened today--

there was an incidentwith a reporter,

and this is howit was relayed on Breitbart,

a right-wing,Trump-loving Web site.

"Time reporter grabs Secret Service agent's throat

at Trump rally."

And then there's this seemingly violent photo

of that incident, right?

That looks pretty bad.That looks horrible.

You know, stupid lamestreamAmerica hate media

trying to choke our patriots!


Make America great again!


But actually,what really happened is that

before this moment, the reporterexchanged some unpleasantries

with that Secret Ser...uh, Secret Service agent,

who then responded right there by grabbing the guy

by the neck and slamming him down.

Then, after knocking his way back on to his feet,

he's saying, "(bleep), look what you did."

And then he grabs his throat, showing him what he did.

He just tried to showwhat had happened.

Which is very different

than "reporter grabsSecret Service agent's throat

at Trump rally."

The point is, that's the truth.

But for the followers of Trumpthere's no room for the truth,

only the distortion.

Trump 2016.We'll be right back.

-♪ -(cheering, applause)

Welcome back.

With springright around the corner,

wedding seasonwill soon be upon us.

Now, with this in mind,I decided

to send our own Mike Yardand Robin Thede down South

to look at a curiouslypopular style of wedding.

Take a look.

YARD: You know what I love? Weddings.

Do you know what I don't love? Slavery.

When I read that it's now trendy

for white people to have lavish plantation weddings

on estates where black people used to be enslaved,

that (bleep) didn't sit right with me.

So to figure out if this is actually as racist

as it sounds, Robin Thede and I traveled

to the Richwood Plantation in Kentucky

to sit down with owner Colleen Sutton

under the guise of planning our own wedding.

-Great place.-It's so beautiful here.

Thank you very much.

Is it okay that I'm inside?


As we understand,this place has some...

-very interesting history also.-It does.

Samuel Fern is the ownerthat is really,

um, creditedto building this property.

-He had slaves, right?-He did.

There were three slavesthat were recorded.

But it was recorded earlier

-that he did actually havefour slaves, -Four slaves.

-and, um...-What happened to the other one?

He... did... f...

es-escape, I guess.

-He actually...he actually ran away. -Yay...!

Colleen gave us a tour of the land,

and surprisingly, I didn't feel the urge to run away.

So, you want to know whatone of the most ironic things

about wherewe're standing right now?

-That we're not working?-(Sutton laughs)

Is look how close we areto the river.

Kentucky was a slave state.

That's Indiana--and that was a free state.

Wait a minute, wait a minute,wait a minute, wait a minute.

-You had a slave livingright here... -Yes, sir.

-staring at freedom every day.-Yes. Absolutely.

-Wow. -That's how committedblack people are

to not swimming, is thatwe would rather stay slaves

-than swim 50 yards to freedom.-That is... Well, you know.

But that's not to say I didn't see anything suspicious

on the property.

Hey, Colleen, what's that?

YARD: It looks like a placeto hang black people.

Uh, no. Actually, I thinkit was more of a pulley system,

where they were ableto bring heavy objects

from down low up tothe third floor of the mansion.

-Oh, like black people?-Oh, I love that.

No, not like black people.

How authenticcan these weddings get?

Right? So if we want to havea plantation wedding,

I mean,how authentic can they get?

Do we dress in costume?Like, what can go on?

You can really doanything that you want.

You can be as elaborateand do something

like a traditionalplantation wedding...


1790... traditional?

-Absolutely.-Because we're gonna dress up

our little cousins, like,you know, little slaves,

-little... little (bleep)running around. -Yeah.

-You know what I mean?-Aw...

And we might beat 'em.

-With, like, Nerf whips.-Everybody take turns.

-Not real whips.-Yeah, not real whips.

Yeah, that doesn't...that doesn't feel good to me.

If we have our wedding here,

and let's say she gets pregnantwedding night--

-'cause it's gonna be on---Yeah.

-um, do you keep the baby,or...? -(laughing)

What do we do?

-No. -Is it ours?Can we leave with it?

Absolutely. Yes.

I'm... I am the ownerof the property,

-I am not the owner of you.-Of us. Yeah.

Oh. Well,that should be on the sign.

Our approach might have been too traditional for Colleen,

so we sat down with a black person

to see how they would feel.

Cuita, you actually cateredweddings at this plantation.

-Yes.-How do you feel about that,

having a weddingon a plantation?

I actually don't seean issue with it.

So if you had a contractthat said that...

we wantan all-African American staff

and we want to call you allthe N-word...

-But you get paid.-in the spirit...

-but you get paid...-$10,000 for the day.

Right. And it's just in thespirit of the antebellum world.

-No.-THEDE: No.

-No money's gonna allow...-$20,000 a day. $20,000.

-I don't think I could puta price... -$35,000.

-I wouldn't put a price on it.-$50,000.

-No. -A million dollars.-A hundred thousand dollars.

-A million dollars.-That's a lot of money.

They could probably call me(bleep) for... a million!


Now, a lot of people thinkit's bad to get married

at a plantation,given its history.

Do you think that's valid?

I think there is validity there,

but I think that if we were tolook at our nation as a whole,

there are so many placesthat evil has happened

that we wouldn't have anywhereto do incredible events.

But just because bad (bleep) happens everywhere,

doesn't mean we should just forget about it.

I'm all for having weddings at plantations

as long as we Keep It 100 about its past.

Let me do something that Iwould have never been able to do

back in the day,and that's speak my mind.

Richwood Plantationis beautiful.

And here,white people serve you.

-Yes! -Whoever thoughtwe'd live to see this day?

(laughs): Who'd have thoughtwe'd live to see any day?

We're on a (bleep) plantation!(laughs)

But I got to admit,I love white people serving me.

(cheering, applause)

YARD:I'm not eating that (bleep).

Mike Yard and Robin Thede,everybody!

Free at last!We'll be right back!

-♪ -(cheering, applause)

Welcome back.I'm here with my panel.

First up, Nightly Show contributor Robin Thede.

(cheering, applause)

And Nightly Show contributorHolly Walker.

(cheering, applause)

And he's a rapper, writer andactor who originated the roles

Thomas Jeffersonand Marquis de Lafayette

in the smashBroadway musical Hamilton,

-Daveed Diggs, everybody.-(cheering, applause)

And for everyone at home,join our conversation right now

on Twitter-- @NightlyShow,using #Tonightly.

Okay, so Chris Rock did it.Hosted the Oscars last night.

-I think he did a great jobof just... -I do, too. -Yes.

-He did, he did.-I mean, calling out, uh...

I mean, he called out Hollywoodto its face.

-Time and time again.-I know.

-Yeah.-Yeah, like, the whole show.

-Yup.-It was pretty bold.

Does anyone thinkthis'll actually

make any kind of difference?Like, a night like last night?

Yes, of course.White people never want to feel

-that uncomfortable ever again.-WALKER: Yes, absolutely.

Nobody wants to beembarrassed like that.

Like, 'cause next yearhe would really go off.

This wasthe nice and gentle year. Mm-mm.

This was nice and gentle?-Yes, yes. -I don't know, I-I...

I feel like Hollywoodhas been embarrassed

plenty of times before.I'm not really sure

that anything has...has happened this far,

-you know what I'm saying?-THEDE: Well, the Academy

did change some rules,which is good, right?

They made voting...You couldn't vote

-if you haven't workedin the last ten years. -Mm-hmm.

You... They're broadeningtheir diverse outreach,

so they're trying to get morepeople of color on the...

in the Academy.You know, I mean, they're...

-It did actuallymake changes happen. -Yeah.

Right. It seems like televisionhas-has done a better job

-with diverse casting right now,you know? -Oh, yeah.

Why do you think, uh, the moviesare just lagging behind so much?

Have you noticed...have you noticed that yourself?

Yeah. I mean, I-I don't know.I don't know...

It-it is... it seems thatit takes longer to make a film.

You know what I'm saying?Like, I mean,

maybe it's a process thing,maybe they just

haven't caught up yet. Like,maybe... maybe the movies are...

Like, black peoplejust don't have time?

Yeah, yeah. No, no, no.

May-Maybe we've got, like,a whole backlog of black movies

that just, like, haven't beenfinished being produced yet.

Like, in the next... the next,like, ten years, we're just

-only gonna see black movies.-You're saying that the black

-movies are on CP time. That'swhat you're saying. -Exactly.

Exactly what I'm saying.

You know what I think it is?I think it's that movies

have bigger budgetsso they can do these fantasy

and, like, period pieceswhere's black people

don't exist anymore.But TV-- they got small budgets.

They just got to make dowith who's there.

Well, but I... I will tell youwhy television is-is so diverse.

Two words: Shonda Rhimes.Like...

She's step...she's stepping up the game.

I-I think television is nowhaving a proven track record

-that having us on therewill make money. -Yeah.

-Empire made a crap tonof money. -Yup. -Yeah.

Like, that's-that's good...that's great for all of us.

THEDE:It's true.

No, greed will always leadin Hollywood.

Green is the most importantcolor there, you know?

Once people start sniffing,like... (sniffing, grunting)

Black people gonnamake us some money.

But it's not just blacks. Youknow, the whole diversity issue,

uh, I read this essay--I can't remember who wrote it--

but it was about the empathygap, you know? It has...

The Asian-Americans, Mexicans.I mean, I thought

it was extraordinarythat, um, um, Iñárritu, uh--

I probably pronounced his namewrong-- but he won Best Director

-twice, I think, right? That'shuge. -Yeah. It's amazing. Yeah.

-Yeah. -I mean, I love to seethat, because things like that,

-I believe, opens the door for alot of people, you know? -Yeah.

-Um... -Well, and I think it'sabout... It's not so much...

You know, we use this key word,"diversity," "diversity,"

there was actually a surprisingamount of diversity at the show

last night. There were people...Lots of foreign accents and,

you know, there were...you know, there were

small Asian children maybemisused in a bit, but, um...

-But they were there. -But theywere there. They were there.

And-and I think,for black people, especially,

it's not so much aboutdiversity-- it's about normalcy.

Make projects that looklike the world around you.

-We don't need you to put tokensin. -(cheering and applause)

-Exactly. And who's tellingthe story. -Yeah.

It's funny 'cause... And Hamilton is very anachronistic.

I mean, you have... Did anybodyget upset that, uh, people

of color are playing thesehistorically white figures?

-They didn't talk to meabout it. -Yeah. -(laughter)

Yeah. No, I-I think...

But I think what we... what-whatthe show is trying to do

is-is what you're talking about.

The way that you sort of...

the waythat we make history exciting

to learn about isby breaking down the barriers

that are already set upbetween these people.

And we see these peopleas old white men

who we don't care about.But if you cast them

as people who you seein your neighborhood every day,

-all of a sudden I have a reasonto give a damn -Mm-hmm.

about George Washington,who I honestly didn't

-before-before I did the show.-Right. -And I still don't.

-I still don't. -I'm sayin'...Yeah. -That's hilarious.

-But you might care aboutChris Jackson. -That's right.

-You know what I'm saying? Yeah.-You know I do.

-Oh, I do. I definitely do.-Yeah. He's a...

-Most definitely. -Chris Jacksonis a great, like...

-It must be nice.-(laughter)

Chris Jackson is a greatGeorge Washington gateway drug,

-you know what I'm saying? Youlearn a lot about Chris -Yeah.

-and a little about George.-But do you think that's part

of that empathy gap,that, uh, it helps people

to empathize morewith those characters,

-to see 'em reflected more liketoday's culture? -Absolutely.

Well, and that's the...that's the business of theatre.

We're really in the businessof empathy.

Tommy Kail, our director,says that all the time.

And that's-that's what we do.You know? To be an actor

on a stage, you have to...you have to empathize

with a life that is outsideof your own, and that's...

and when you come there to seeit, that's what you're doing.

We all laugh togetherbecause we-we empathize

with the situation that's goingon. We cry together.

And that's what theatre does,actually, better

than a lot of other mediums.So I think it's-it's, you know,

-right for us to be doing itthis way. -Willing suspension

of disbelief. Um, okay, here'ssomething I could not believe.

We talked about this earlier.Can you show the Whoopi, uh...

-tweet again? Where people thought she was Oprah. -See?

-See? This... Yeah. -Robin, how does this happen?

So, here's the thing, like, black people boycotted

the Oscars. There wereonly three black people there,

-and you mistook Oprah?-Yes.

-But Whoopi and Oprah,you confused them? -Two of them.

I mean, the only people therewere Chris Rock, Kevin Hart,

and Stacey Dash. Mm.

Oh, there were more black peoplethere. Come on.

-I mean, there were a few more,but... -A few more.

Quincy was there.

Yeah, Quincy was there.

They drug out Lou Gossett Jr.

-He was there.-(laughter)

-Drug out? What do you...-They drug him out.

You're acting like... you'reacting like he was in the grave.

They woke him up.They woke him up. "Lou, Lou,

the Oscars are on.Come and be on our Oscar show."

-We'll be right back.-(cheering and applause)

YARD: If you live in New York City or are planning to visit,

grab tickets to The Nightly Show.

Thanks to my panelists,Robin Thede, Holly Walker,

and Daveed Diggs. We're almostout of time, but before we go,

I'm gonna keep it 100for you guys. All right?

Keep It One Hu-Hundred.

Tonight's question isfrom @urcappaspeaking.

Okay, they ask,"Do you take, uh, Stacey Dash

to the White HouseCorrespondents' Dinner, WHCD,

-if it guarantees the Lakersgo all the way? -Ooh. -(laughs)

-Yes. -You guys are not gonnalike this answer.

-Uh-oh. -But of course I do!The Lakers going all the way?

Of course. Going outwith Stacey Dash to the...

Oh, that was very easy. Okay.And we sent Mike Yard packing

all the way to Los Angelesto win the Internet

on tonight's @midnight. Don't miss it, you guys, okay?

It's coming up next.That's a thing, right?

Winning the Internet? Okay,so watch him, @midnight tonight,

as he attempts to do us proud.Thanks for watching.

Don't forget to ask me your KeepIt 100 questions on Twitter.

-Good Nightly, everyone!-(cheering and applause)