Doris Kearns Goodwin

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"The Bully Pulpit" author Doris Kearns Goodwin describes the domestic challenges faced by Presidents Theodore Roosevelt and William Howard Taft. (6:06)

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)MY GUEST TONIGHT IS A PULITZER

PRIZE-WINNING PRESIDENTIALHISTORIAN WHOSE BOOK IS "THE

BULLY PULPIT."

I'LL INTRODUCE HER TO THE BULLYPUNDIT.

PLEASE WELCOME DORIS KEARNSGOODWIN!

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)DORIS, GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN.

ALWAYS A PLEASURE.

A WORLD RENOWN HISTORIAN ANDPULITZER PRIZE-WINNING AUTHOR.

YOUR MOST RECENT BOOK IS THEBULLY PULPIT.

ALSO IN KEN BURNS NEW 14-HOURDOCUMENTARY ABOUT THE

ROOSEVELTS, OKAY?

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)OKAY.

>> YOU'RE GOING TO TEASE MEABOUT SOMETHING, I HAVE A

FEELING.

>> STEPHEN: I'M GOING TOINTERVIEW YOU, ALL RIGHT?

(LAUGHTER)YOU GET TO INTERVIEW PEOPLE, NOW

THE TABLES HAVE TURNED.

YOU CAN'T TELL BECAUSE IT'S AROUND TABLE.

(LAUGHTER)ALL RIGHT.

WHY, TODAY, SHOULD WE CARE ABOUTTEDDY ROOSEVELT AND WILLIAM

HOWARD TAFT?

WHAT DOES THEIR STORY HAVE TO DOWITH US TODAY?

THEY'RE COMING FROM A TIME WHERETHERE WERE VERY, VERY RICH

PEOPLE WHO CONTROLLED POLITICS,AND LOTS OF PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T

HAVE A LOT OF POWER AND WHOSEWORKER RIGHTS WERE BEING TAKEN

AWAY.

WHAT DOES THAT SAY TO US?

>> NOTHING(LAUGHTER)

NO, THINK ABOUT IT.

THERE'S A GAP BETWEEN THE RICHAND POOR, PEOPLE WORKING 12

HOURS A DAY, UNSANITARYMEAT-PACKING PLANTS AND MY GUY

TEDDY TAKES IT ON.

HE REALIZES THE RICH WON'T STAYRICH.

THERE WILL BE SOCIALISTS ANDANARCHISTS.

>> STEPHEN: BUT HE WAS ARICH GUY

HE WAS A RICH GUY.

>> STEPHEN: WHY WOULD HE TURNON HIS OWN CLASS LIKE THAT?

>> BECAUSE HE UNDERSTOOD IF HEDIDN'T DO SOMETHING TO SOFTEN

THE IMPACT OF THE INDUSTRIALORDER, THE WHOLE THING WOULD

FALL APART.

>> STEPHEN: HE WAS FRIGHTENEDOF THE POOR PEOPLE WITH PITCH

FORKS.

>> HE WAS FRIGHTENED OF THE RICHPEOPLE THAT THEY WOULD

BE SO BLOATED THAT MONOPOLIESWERE GOING TO SWALLOW EVERYTHING

AND THERE WOULD BE NO SMALLBUSINESSES, PEOPLE ARE IN SLUMS,

HE KNEW FOR THE SAKE OF THECOUNTRY THE ROCK OF

CLASS HATRED WOULD BE THE WORSTTHING THAT COULD HAPPEN TO THE

COUNTRY.

SO HE WANTED A SQUARE DEAL, NOTA ROUND TABLE, A SQUARE DEAL,

AND IT WAS GREAT.

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)>> STEPHEN: OKAY.

SPEAKING OF BLOATED RICH PEOPLE,WILLIAM HOWARD TAFT.

ALL RIGHT?

(LAUGHTER)TEDDY ROOSEVELT DID A FEW

THINGS -- GAVE US NATIONALPARKS, RIGHT, LIKE YELLOW STONE,

YOSEMITE, THAT KIND OF STUFF.

WHAT DID TAFT DO I SHOULD EVERCARE ABOUT.

WAS HE ALL FOR THAT CLASSWARFARE STUFF?

>> YES AT THE BEGINNING HE WASFOR MAKING THE RICH PAY, IF THEY

DID SOMETHING UNETHICAL, THEYSHOULD HAVE A FINE, BE PUT

IN JAIL. POOR PEOPLE, IF THEYDIDN'T WORK, THAT'S A PROBLEM,

BUT GIVE THEM A CHANCE, GIVETHEM AN EDUCATION.

HE AND HE WERE BEST FRIENDS

>> STEPHEN: THEY WEREREPUBLICANS, RIGHT?

>> THEY WERE.

TODAY, CONSERVATIVES WOULD SAYTHEY'RE REPUBLICANS IN NAME

ONLY. RINOS, RIGHT?

>> STEPHEN: RINOS? WHY, BECAUSETAFT WAS FAT?

THAT'S A TERRIBLE THING TO SAY.

(LAUGHTER)>> STEPHEN: YOU ALSO CALL

THIS THE GOLDEN AGE OFJOURNALISM.

YOU MEAN LIKE HEARST WHOSINGLE-HANDEDLY STARTED THE

SPANISH WAR AND ALLOWED SOMEONELIKE T.R. TO BE WITH HIS

ROUGH RIDERS GOING UP SAN JUANHILL TO BECOME A HERO

>> HE WAS, BUT THERE ARE OTHERPEOPLE I LOVE.

IDA TARBELL, RAY BAKER, LINCOLNSTEPHENS

WHAT THEY DO IS INVESTIGATIVEREPORTING THAT REALLY EXPOSES

WHAT'S WRONG WITH THE COUNTRY.

THE COUNTRY GETS EXCITED, PUSHTHE OLD GUARD IN CONGRESS TO DO

SOMETHING, THEY MOBILIZE ACTION.

>> STEPHEN: CONGRESS DOESSOMETHING?

>> CONGRESS FINALLY DOESSOMETHING!

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)>> STEPHEN: WE'RE TALKING

ABOUT MASSIVE 50,000 WORDARTICLES.

>> AND PEOPLE READ THEM AND TALKABOUT THEM AND PUSH CONGRESS AND

SAY YOU'VE GOT TO ACT.

>> STEPHEN: WHY WOULD THEYREAD A 50,000 WORD ARTICLE?

COULDN'T THEY JUST CLICK ON THE13 POTATOES THAT LOOK LIKE

CHANNING TATUM?(LAUGHTER)

DORIS, YOU KNOW I SPENT THE PASTNINE YEARS TRYING

TO MAKE THE WORLD A BETTERPLACE.

>> I DO, I DO.

>> STEPHEN: AND I REALIZE THISIS PROBABLY THE LAST TIME YOU'RE

ON THE SHOW AND I I'VEAPOLOGIZED TO YOU BEFORE.

>> I KNOW.

MY PICTURE IS UP THERE AND YOUSAY SOMETHING SEXUAL --

(LAUGHTER)>> STEPHEN: I DON'T REMEMBER

THAT!

>> YOU DO SAY, MY APOLOGIZE TODORIS KEARNS GOODWIN.

>> STEPHEN: APOLOGY ACCEPTED?

ABSOLUTELY, I'LL MISS IT IF YOUDON'T KEEP DOING IT.

>> STEPHEN: I'LL TELL YOUWHAT I'LL CALL YOU UP

AND APOLOGIZE IN THE MIDDLEOF THE NIGHT. SINCE YOU

ARE THE PREEMINENT PRESIDENTIALHISTORIAN OF OUR TIME, I'LL

ASK YOU THE QUESTION I'VE WANTEDTO ASK YOU FROM THE BEGINNING --

>> UH-OH.

>> STEPHEN: -- GEORGE W. BUSH,GREAT PRESIDENT...

OR THE GREATEST PRESIDENT?

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)>> I REMEMBER ONE OTHER TIME I

WAS ON AND YOU SAID, WHYCOULDN'T ABRAHAM LINCOLN UNIFY

THE COUNTRY THE WAY GEORGE W.

BUSH HAS DONE?

AND I SAID, HE DID UNIFY THECOUNTRY, WHAT ARE YOU TALKING

ABOUT?

AND YOU SAID, MA'AM, I'M FROMSOUTH CAROLINA, HE DIDN'T UNIFY

ME.

(LAUGHTER)>> STEPHEN: GREAT OR GREATEST?

I ONLY HAVE THOSE TWO OVALS

THIS GETS GRADED BY A COMPUTER,I HAVE TO PUT ONE OF THOSE.

>> I TAKE THE FIFTH AMENDMENT.

>> STEPHEN: ALL RIGHT.

ALL RIGHT.

I'LL SEE YOU IN GUANTANAMO.

(LAUGHTER)DORIS, THANK YOU SO MUCH!

DORIS KEARNS GOODWIN! THE BULLYPULPIT, PBS,

THE ROOSEVELTS, KENBURNS, I APOLOGIZE

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK!