James Stewart

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James Stewart describes the corrosive effect lying has on society and the short-term harm that comes with telling the truth. (6:05)

[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]

WELCOME BACK, EVERYBODY.

[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]

MY GUEST TONIGHT HAS A NEW BOOK

ABOUT HOW FALSE STATEMENTS ARE

UNDERMINING AMERICA.

PRETTY IMPRESSIVE ACHIEVEMENT

FOR A CANNIBAL.

PLEASE WELCOME JAMES STEWART.

[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]

JAMES, VERY GOOD TO SEE YOU.

ALL RIGHT, SIR.

YOU HAVE A NEW BOOK.

>> YES.

>> Stephen: CALLED "TANGLED

WEB: HOW FALSE STATEMENTS ARE

UNDERMINING AMERICA FROM MARTHA

STUART TO BERNIE MADOFF."

HOW ARE FALSE STATEMENTS

UNDERMINING AMERICA?

>> WELL --

[LAUGHTER]

>> Stephen: WAS THAT A

CURVEBALL?

DO WE WANT A -- HOW ABOUT WE

START WITH THE JUDICIAL SYSTEM,

THE LEGAL SYSTEM WHICH WOULD

COLLAPSE.

>> Stephen: WHAT SAY TRUE OR

FALSE STATEMENT?รง

>> THERE'S SOME THINGS HARD TO

SELL TELL.

YOU MAY BE FAMILIAR WITH THOSE

ISSUES THRMPL ARE MANY OBJECTIVE

FACTS.

>> Stephen: NAME ONE.

>> WERE YOU TRYING TO INSIDER

TRADE.

WERE YOU RUNNING A PONZI SCHEME.

>> Stephen: NO AND NO.

>> DID YOU LEAK THE NAME OF A

COVERT C.I.A. AGENT TO THE

PRESS.

>> Stephen: I DID NOT.

>> SOME PEOPLE DID.

DID YOU TAKE STRIDES.

THERE'S A GOOD ONE FOR YOU.

>> Stephen: YES!

>> AND YOU ARE THE ONE OF THE

FEW PEOPLE WILLING TO ADMIT IT.

>> Stephen: YOU SEEM TO THINK

THAT THERE'S AN OBJECTIVE

TORONTO BLUE JAY THAT WE CAN ALL

AGREE ON.

>> IN MANY CASES THERE IS.

>> Stephen: BUT IN MANY CASE

THERE'S ARE NOT.

>> THESE ARE NOT WHAT I'M

WRAEUTING ABOUT IN THIS BOOK.

>> Stephen: LISTEN TO THE

EXAMPLES YOU GIVE.

MARTHA STUART.

SHE DIDN'T GET AWAY WITH IT.

SHE WENT TO JAIL.

>> THAT'S CORRECT.

>> Stephen: BERNIE MADOFF WENT

TO JAIL AND BARRY BONDS WAS

SENTENCED TO HAVING A HEAD THE

SIZE OF A --

>> THEY ARE ROLE MODELS.

THEY EFFECT BEHAVIOR BY PEOPLE.

PEOPLE SAY LOOK WHAT MARTHA

STUART DID.

IT WASN'T SO BAD.

LOOK AT SCOOTER LIBBY, PRESIDENT

BUSH COMMUTED HIS SENTENCE.

WHY DON'T YOU COMMUTE MINE?

WHY ISN'T OKAY FOR ME TO LIE?

THEY INFLUENCE BEHAVIOR IN

SOCIETY.

WE MIGHT TALK ABOUT THE

PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES,

IT TRICKLES DOWN TO ALL LEVELS,

NOT ONLY CRIMINAL LYING BUT ALL

THE WAY DOWN TO THE RELL TESTIFY

SERIOUS.

>> Stephen: I FEEL LIKE THE

BEHAVIOR YOU ARE DESCRIBING IS

GOING ON FOREVER?

>> EVERY PROSECUTOR TOLD ME AND

THERE ARE SCORES OF THEM

INTERVIEWED FOR THE BOOK.

THEY TOLD ME IT'S WORSE IN THEIR

CAREERS.

I COME TO WORK EXPECTING TO BEv:

LIED TO.

THE ONLY QUESTION IS CAN I

PROSECUTE.

PEOPLE THINK EVERYONE IS DOING

IT.

THAT EFFECTS BEHAVIOR.

WE'RE SOCIAL ANIMALS.

JURIES ARE RELUCTANT TO CONVICT

WHEN THEY THINK SOMEONE IS

SINGLED OUT FOR PERJURY.

IT HAS A BROAD CORE ROSIVE

EFFECT.

>> Stephen: IS IT PERJURY IF

YOU LIED WHEN YOU WERE TAKING

THE OATH?

[LAUGHTER]

>> THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]

AND.

>> Stephen: IT'S GOING TO BE

MY OUT.

>> IT SOUNDS LIKE SOME PEOPLE

WHO HAVE SPOKEN ARE READING

THIS.

IT'S A HOW-TO BOOK OF HOW THEY

COULD LIE AND NOT MAKE THE

MISTAKES THESE PEOPLE DID.

I WOULD SAY RULE ONE IS STAY AS

CLOSE AS POSSIBLE.

I DON'T ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO LIE.

IF YOU ARE LYING TO -- THAT'S

NOT A LIE.

IT'S NOT -- IT'S NOT ACCEPTABLE.

YOU HAVE TO TO TELL THE TRUTH.

>> Stephen: WHAT ABOUT NEWS

ORGANIZATIONS?

DO THEY LIE MORE THAN THEY USED

TO?

WE KNOW "THE NEW YORK TIMES" IS

A RAG.

DO YOU STILL WORK OR YOU USED TO

WORK FROM "THE WALL STREET

JOURNAL".

>> I'M MOVING FROM "THE WALL

STREET JOURNAL" TO THE "NEW YORK

TIMES".

>> Stephen: IT MORE

RESEARCH --

>> PROBABLY WOULDN'T ALLOWED ME

ON THAT FACT.

I'M IN BETWEEN AT THE MOMENT.

MAYBE YOU COULD SAY I COULD

SPEAK CANDIDLY.

>> Stephen: DID YOU FIND

EXAMPLES OF PEOPLE WHO ARE

STARTLING HONEST TO YOU IN THIS

RESEARCH?

>> YES, I DID.

>> Stephen: WHO WAS HONEST

THAT YOU DIDN'T EXPECT?

>> THE ASSISTANT TO MARTHA

STUART'S STOCK BROKER HE INITIAL

LY WITHHELD THE TRUTH.

HE MISLED AND HE SAID I CANNOT

TAKE THE OATH AND THEN LIE.

I CANNOT CROSS THE LINE.

HE TOLD THE TORONTO BLUE JAY AT

GREAT PERSONAL COST.

MANY PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE HOW

MUCH COURAGE IT TAKES AND HOW

MUCH SHORT-TERM HARM COMES IN

TELLING TRUTH.

AS I'M SURE THE TRUTH IS

UNWELCOME.

>> Stephen: YEAH, YEAH IT IS.

[LAUGHTER]

>> THEY HAVE THEIR DELUSIONS.

THEY CLING TO THE DELUSIONS.

WE HAVE DELUSIONS ABOUT SPORTS

STARS, POLITICIANS, MEDIA, HOME

LIVING GUYS -BLG.

>> Stephen: DO THEY PANTS MAKE

MY ASS LOOK FAT?

[LAUGHTER]

ARE THERE LIES YOU CAN ACCUSE

YOURSELF OF THAT YOU ARE WILLING

TO TELL ME?

[LAUGHTER]

>> I TOLD A BIG LIE IN THE

SECOND GRADE WHEN I CLAIMED HIS

A DOLLAR STOLEN OUT OF MY LUNCH

MONEY WHEN IN FACT I NEVER HAD A

DOLLAR IN MY ENTIRE LIFE.

I GOT ALL THE ATTENTION I

WANTED.

THE TEACHER DRAGGED ME TO THE

PRINCIPAL'S OFFICE.

THEY CALLED MY MOTHER WHO

THOUGHT SHE WAS SITTING HOME AND

DRINKING.

I COLLAPSED IN TEARS AND WAS

SENT HOME ONLY TO RETURN IN

TOTAL HUMILIATION AND HERE I'M

TELLING THIS STORY.

I NEVER FORGOTTEN IT.

HAVE I TOLD LIES SINCE THEN YES,

BUT NOT THAT I'M WILLING TO

SHARE WITH YOU.

>> Stephen: THANK YOU SO MUCH.

[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]

JAMES STUART, THE BOOK IS

"TANGLED