Exclusive - Mike Mullen Extended Interview

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Retired Navy Admiral Mike Mullen talks about the importance of the U.S.'s humanitarian missions and describes his role in the mission to locate Osama bin Laden. (15:45)

>> MY GUEST TONIGHT SPENT 43YEARS IN THE NAVY.

THAT'S EVEN LONGER THAN THAT GUYFROM THE VILLAGE PEOPLE.

PLEASE WELCOME ADMIRAL MIKEMULLEN.

THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

GOOD TO SEE YOU.

HONOR TO HAVE YOU SIR.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEINGHERE.

YOU'RE RETIRED A U.S. NAVYADMIRAL.

YOU SERVED AS THE 17THCHAIRMAN OF THE JOINT CHIEFS OF

STAFF.

THAT'S A BIG JOB.

AS CHAIRMAN.

YOU WERE THE HIGHEST RANKINGOFFICER IN THE U.S. ARMED

FORCES.

IN 2011 YOU RETIRED AFTER 43YEARS OF SERVICE.

SIR, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERETONIGHT.

THE WORLD'S ON FIRE.

ALL RIGHT.

>> CORRECT.

>> STEPHEN: WORLD'S ON FIRE.

WE'VE GOT A LOT OF HOT SPOTSOUT INTEREST.

WHAT ARE THE PLACE WHERE'S THEFIRE'S CATCHING FIRE OUT THERE?

>> I THINK SYRIA IS PROBABLY THECENTER OF GRAVITY RIGHT NOW.

>> STEPHEN: YOU'VE GOT SYRIA.

YOU'VE GOT IRAQ.

ALSO AFGHANISTAN.

STILL GOT SOME TROUBLE.

PAKISTAN IS VERY TROUBLING TOUS.

YOU HAVE SOMALIA, YOU HAVEYEMEN.

HAS THE WORLD EVER BEEN MOREDANGEROUS THAN THIS?

>> CERTAINLY NOT IN MY LIFETIMETHAT I'M AWARE OF.

>> STEPHEN: THAT INCLUDES THESOVIET UNION.

>> THAT'S TRUE, THAT'S TRUE.

ALTHOUGH, I THINK THE BIGDIFFERENCE IS IN THOSE DAYS

ACTUALLY THE SINGLE EXISTENTIALTHREAT THAT EXISTED WAS THE

SOVIET UNION.

AND THERE ISN'T AN EXISTENTIALTHREAT OUT THERE RIGHT NOW IN

ANY OF THESE COUNTRIES WITH THELEVEL OF TERRORISM, BUT IT IS

SOMETHING THAT CONTINUES TOGROW, AND IT CONTINUES TO BURN

OUT OF CONTROL, IF YOU WILL, INWAYS THAT ARE VERY

UNPREDICTABLE.

SO PARTICULARLY IN THE MIDDLEEAST.

IT IS A HUGE, HUGE CONCERN.

>> STEPHEN: NOW, OBVIOUSLY, IASSUME YOU'RE ON BOARD WITH BILL

O'REILLY'S 25,000-MAN MERCENARYARMY.

( LAUGHTER )DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD GO WITH

THAT, 25,000 PEOPLE FROM AROUNDTHE WORLD WHO GET TAUGHT ENGLISH

AND ARE PAID VERY WELL, OR THEU.S. ARMED FORCES?

WHICH WOULD YOU PICK?

( LAUGHTER )AND PLEASE DON'T LET YOUR YEARS

AS THE CHAIRMAN OF THE JOINTCHIEFS INFLUENCE YOU IN THIS

DECISION.

( LAUGHTER )THINK OBJECTIVELY ABOUT THIS FOR

A SECOND MERCENARY ARMY-U.S.

ARMED FORCES.

YOU HAD TO PICK, WHICH WOULD ITBE?

>> IT WOULD BE IS THIS ONE.

>> STEPHEN: ALL RIGHT.

>> U.S. ARMED FORCES.

>> STEPHEN: I ASSUME YOU WERERANKED JUST BELOW BILL O'REILLY

IN OUR MILITARY.

>> THAT'S TRUE.

>> STEPHEN: ALL RIGHT, ALLRIGHT.

WELL, BILL'S NOT GOING TO LIKETHAT, AND THE MAN HAS A

MERCENARY ARMY.

I WOULDN'T CROSS HIM.

>> I KNOW, I KNOW( LAUGHTER ).

>> STEPHEN: SO WE'RE IN SYRIANOW.

AND WE'RE-- WE OFFICIALLY DON'THAVE BOOTS ON THE GROUND, BUT WE

HAVE ADVISERS ON THE GROUND?

>> ACTUALLY, NOT IN SYRIA.

WE HAVE ADVISERS ON THE GROUNDIN IRAQ, ABOUT 1600 OF THEM.

>> STEPHEN: HOW MUCH OF ADIFFERENCE IS THERE BETWEEN

WESTERN IRAQ AND SYRIA AT THISPOINT?

IS THERE A BORDER?

>> I THINK IT'S JUST ACTUALLY INNAME ONLY.

I MEAN, THAT PART OF THE DESERTIS WIDE OPEN, AND AS FAR AS ISIL

RIGHT NOW, THEY CONTROL AN AWFULLOT OF TERRITORY, BOTH IN IRAQ

AND SYRIA.

THEY CALL IT THE BEGINNING OFTHE CALIPHATE, IF YOU WILL.

AND THEIR STATE THAT THEY'VEESTABLISHED -- WHICH I DON'T

THINK HAS ANY SUBSTANTIALUNDERPINNING IN TERMS OF REALITY

IN INTERNATIONAL OR ANYTHINGLIKE, THAT BUT IT'S WHAT THEY

CLAIM.

>> STEPHEN: THEY USED TO BETHE ISLAMIC STATE IN IRAQ AND

SYRIA.

NOW THEY'RE JUST THE ISLAMICSTATE.

>> CORRECT.

>> STEPHEN: THEY'RE LIKE CHER.

THEY JUST DROPPED THE END.

( LAUGHTER )THEY'RE PROBABLY NOT FANS OF

CHER.

HOW LONG ARE WE GOING TO BEDOING THIS?

IT LOOKED LIKE WE MIGHT HAVEBEEN GETTING OUT OF THAT PART OF

THE WORLD FOR A WHILE.

IN 2011, RIGHT AROUND THE TIMETHAT YOU LEFT AS CHAIRMAN OF THE

JOINT CHIEFS, WE OFFICIALLY HADENDED ALL MILITARY OCCUPATION IN

IRAQ.

NOW WE'RE BACK IN.

WAS US LEAVING A HICCUP OR ISTHIS THE HICCUP?

WHICH IS THE NORMAL STATE FORUS?

>> WELL, MY-- MY VIEW OF THAT ISIN 2011 WHEN EGYPT STARTED TO

UNFOLD AND THE REVOLUTION THERE,I SAID THEN AND I STILL THINK IN

THAT PART OF THE WORLD, WE'RE INA 30- TO 40-YEAR RUN.

>> STEPHEN: 30 TO 40 YEARS.

>>>> --CORRECT.

>> STEPHEN: SO LIKE THE COLDWAR.

>> IN TERMS OF THE REVOLUTIONAND THE CHANGE AND THE

UNCERTAINTY AND THE INSTABILITY.

AND I THINK IT'S JUST CASCADEDFROM ONE COUNTRY TO ANOTHER.

>> STEPHEN: 30 TO 40 YEARS OFINSTABILITY THERE OR 30 TO 40

YEARS OF US OVER THERE?

>> I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TOTHAT.

I THINK WE ARE -->> STEPHEN: IF YOU COULD JUST

GUESS.

>> I COULD GUESS.

MY-- MY INSTINCTS ARE WE'REGOING TO BE-- WE NEED TO BE

ENGAGED IN THAT PART OF THEWORLD FOR AS LONG AS IT TAKES TO

ENSURE THAT IT CAN BE STABLE ANDNOT CONTINUE TO GROW IN A WAY

THAT THREATENS AN AWFUL LOT OFPEOPLE, INCLUDING AMERICAN

CITIZENS.

>> STEPHEN: NOW THE OBAMAADMINISTRATION IS USING RIGHT

NOW OUR TROOPS NOT JUST FORMILITARY MISSIONS BUT FOR

HUMANITARIAN MISSIONS IN AFRICAFIGHTING EBOLA.

>> RIGHT.

>> RIGHT.

>> STEPHEN: WE DON'T HAVEBOOTS ON THE GROUND.

WE HAVE MEDICAL BOOTIES ON THEGROUND, RIGHT?

>> RIGHT.

>> STEPHEN: DO YOU THINKTHAT'S HOW WE SHOULD BE USING

OUR TROOPS?

SHOULD THEYING PASSING OUT SWABSAND SYRINGES IN AFRICA?

>> I BELIEVE STRONGLY THOSEKINDS OF MISSIONS OFTEN TIME

HAVE A BIGGER IMPACT ON WHO THEUNITED STATES IS AND WHAT WE

STAND FOR THAN THE MILITARYMISSIONS.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ).

I'VE SEEN IT-- I'VE-- I'VE SEENTHIS IN INDONESIA, AFTER THE

EARTHQUAKE IN '04.

CERTAINLY THE RESPONSE WE HAD ATTHE TERRIBLE TRAGEDY OF THE

EARTHQUAKE OFF HAITI WHERE WEPROVIDED TROOPS, AND WE CAN

ORGANIZE.

WE CAN COMMUNICATE.

WE DO-- WE LOGISTICALLY CAN MOVEAN AWFUL LOT OF STUFF VERY

QUICKLY.

SO WE'RE MORE THAN CAPABLE OFHANDLING A MISSION LIKE THAT

UNTIL THE REST OF THE WORLD ANDOTHER CAPABILITIES CAN BE

BROUGHT IN.

BUT RIGHT NOW, MOVING AS FAST ASWE HAVE, I THINK THAT EBOLA

MISSION IS A-- IS A VERYIMPORTANT MISSION FOR US.

>> STEPHEN: THE PRESIDENT DIDSAY ONE THING THE OTHER DAY THAT

I LIKED.

HE SAID THAT WHEN SOMETHING GOESWRONG IN THE WORLD, WHEN THERE'S

A MUDSLIDE IN GUATEMALANOBODYSAYS, "GET ME THE RUSSIANS."

THEY CALL US AND WE GO IN THEREAND HELP CLEAN THINGS UP.

DO YOU THINK AMERICA'SREPUTATION IN THE WORLD, BECAUSE

OF THE MILITARY ENGAGEMENT WE'VEHAD OVER THE LAST 13 YEARS IS

DAMAGED?

>> I DO.

I DO.

I THINK IN FACT-- I DON'T KNOWHOW MANY PEOPLE I COULD ASK THAT

WOULD GET THE CORRECT ANSWER TOTHIS QUESTION WHICH IS HAVING

BOMBED SYRIA, HOW MANY MUSLIMCOUNTRIES HAVE WE BOMBED?

AND THIS IS OUR SEVENTH.

>> STEPHEN: YEAH, YEAH, ONEMORE AND WE GET A FREE FALAFAL.

( LAUGHTER )( APPLAUSE )

>> AND IT'S TOUGH TO MAKEFRIENDS WHEN YOU'RE DOING THAT.

>> STEPHEN: YEAH, THE BOMBSTEND TO BE A CONVERSATION

STOPPER.

>> IT DOES.

( LAUGHTER )THAT SAID, I THINK YOU'VE GOT TO

TAKE ACTION TO ADDRESSPARTICULARLY THIS THREAT THAT'S

NOW RISING IN SYRIA AND IRAQ.

>> STEPHEN: AGAIN, MERCENARYARMY.

( LAUGHTER )THE BEST OF THE BEST.

THE BEST OF THE BEST.

>> I DON'T THINK SO.

>> STEPHEN: YOU WOULD NOTBELIEVE THE NUMBER OF MILITARY

PEOPLE WHO ARE CALLING BILL ANDSAYING IT'S A GREAT IDEA.

>> REALLY?

>> STEPHEN: WOULD YOU BELIEVEIT?

>> NO.

>> STEPHEN: NEITHER WOULD I.

ALL RIGHT.

( APPLAUSE )HERE'S ONE THING.

LET'S TALK ABOUT MILITARY--LET'S TALK ABOUT A REAL

SUCCESSFUL MILITARY MISSION THATEVERYBODY SHOULD FEEL GREAT

ABOUT AND THAT'S WHEN WE WENTAND GOT BIN LADEN.

YOU WERE IN THE ROOM WHEN THATTHING WAS GOING DOWN.

AND YOU HAD TO BE THE ONE TOCALL THE HEAD OF THE PAKISTANI

MILITARY.

>> CORRECT.

>> STEPHEN: TO SAY THAT WE GOTHIM.

>> RIGHT.

>> STEPHEN: HOW WAS THAT?

( LAUGHTER )DID YOU HAVE TO FIGHT FOR THE

PHONE?

OR WAS IT-- YOU KNOW, "I'LL DOIT!

I'LL DO IT!

LET ME!">> ACTUALLY, THERE WAS A DEBATE

FOR A WHILE INTERNALLY -->> STEPHEN: BIDEN WANTED TO

DO IT.

BIDEN WANTED TO DO IT.

>> AND THEN IT FELL TO ME.

>> STEPHEN: OKAY.

>> IT PRINCIPALLY DID BECAUSEI'D HAD A LONG-STANDING

RELATIONSHIP WITH GENERAL KEANY,THE HEAD OF THEIR ARMY --

>> STEPHEN: WHAT TIME IS ITOVER THERE WHEN YOU CALLED HIM?

>> TWO IN THE MORNING, THREE INTHE MORNING.

>> STEPHEN: LET'S ROLE PLAY.

HELLO, MIKE.

DO YOU KNOW WHAT TIME IT ISHERE, MAN?

WHAT'S UP, ARE YOU OKAY?

>> NO, ACTUALLY, HE KNEW WHATTIME IT WAS, AND HE KNEW WHY I

WAS CALLING.

>> STEPHEN: OH, REALLY?

>> WELL, HE KNEW, CLEARLY, THATSOMETHING HAD HAPPENED.

>> STEPHEN: DID YOU SAY, "HI,IT'S MIKE.

WE FOUND BIN LADEN.

GUESS WHERE?"( LAUGHTER )

( APPLAUSE )WAS HE CHAGRINED?

>> NO.

>> STEPHEN: WERE THEYCHAGRINED AT ALL?

>> HE WAS-- HE WAS ACTUALLYSURPRISED.

I MEAN, LITERALLY.

NOW, THIS IS IN THE HUMANDIMENSION.

THIS DOESN'T MAKE A LOT OFSENSE, BUT I KNEW HIM PRETTY

WELL, AND HIS REACTION WASSURPRISE, ONE, THAT WE'D FOUND

HIM.

AND, TWO, THAT HE WAS WHERE WEFOUND HIM, WHICH WAS ABOUT A

MILE FROM THEIR-- THEIR VERSIONOF WEST POINT, WHICH IS A PRETTY

HIGH-END AREA, HIGH-ENDNEIGHBORHOOD.

AND ACTUALLY, IT WAS A DIFFICULTCONVERSATION BUT IT WAS A

FOLLOW-UP TO A CONVERSATION I'DHAD A COUPLE OF YEARS BEFORE

THAT WHICH WAS I DON'T KNOW APRESIDENT IN THE UNITED STATES

WHOEVER IT WOULD BE THAT IF THEYDIDN'T-- IF WE KNEW, NUMBER ONE,

BIN LADEN, NUMBER 2, AL-ZAWAHIRIWAS IN PAKISTAN WE WOULDN'T COME

IN AND GET THEM.

IN THAT REGARD, HE WASN'TSURPRISED.

WHAT HAPPENED REALLY WAS THEWEEK AFTER THAT, BECAUSE THEY

FELT HIS MILITARY, WHO HAS A LOTOF PRIDE, THEY FELT EMBARRASSED

BY WHAT HAD HAPPENED, BY WHATTHEY COULDN'T DO, HOW THEY

COULDN'T RESPOND, AND HE HAD THEWORST WEEK OF HIS LIFE --

>> STEPHEN: NOT AS BAD AS BINLADEN'S.

>> NO, I KNOW.

( APPLAUSE ).

>> STEPHEN: YOU'RE IN THE-- THERE'S A FAMOUS PHOTO OF

ALL YOU GUYS WATCHING.

IT'S YOU, IT'S THE PRESIDENT,AND I THINK BILL-- BILL O'REILLY

WAS IN THAT PHOTO, I THINK.

THERE HE IS.

EXACTLY.

EXACTLY.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ).

BILL MADE THAT CALL.

ADMIRAL, WHAT DO YOU THINK--WHAT DO YOU THINK NOW--

>> OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> STEPHEN: OKAY, ADMIRAL,WHAT DO YOU THINK-- IF YOU LOOK

AT WHAT'S HAPPENING IN CHINA,WHAT DO YOU THINK IS GOING TO

HAPPEN THERE?

DO YOU THINK THE CHINESE-- OFWHAT YOU KNOW FROM THE CHINESE

MILITARY, DO YOU THINK THECHINESE MILITARY WILL ROLL TANKS

IN TO HONG KONG?

>> I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GOINGTO ROLL TANKS, BUT I THINK

THEY'RE GOING TO WORK VERY HARDTO STOP WHAT'S GOING ON.

I THINK-- I MEAN, THEY REALLYARE-- THEY DON'T WANT TO REPEAT

TIANANMEN, BUT XI JINPING DOESNOT WANT THIS TO CONTINUE, AND I

THINK HE WILL FIGURE OUT A WAYTO MAKE SURE THAT DOESN'T

HAPPEN, THAT IT STOPS.

>> STEPHEN: DO YOU THINK THEUNITED STATES CAN GET BACK TO A

WORLD WHERE IT IS NOT PUTTINGOUT FIRES IN 24 COUNTRIES AT

ONCE?

>> I DON'T KNOW.

I HONESTLY DON'T KNOW.

>> STEPHEN: IS THERE ANYONEELSE TO STEP IN WITHOUT US?

>> I THINK IT'S HARD TO DOWITHOUT US.

WE'RE LIVING IN A WORLD WITH NOONE CAN DO IT ALONE ANYMORE,

INCLUDING THE UNITED STATES.

BUT WE HAVE SO MUCH DEPTH ANDBREADTH OF CAPABILITY, NOT JUST

MILITARY, THROUGHOUT OURCOUNTRY, AND WE HAVE AN AWFUL

LOT OF CONVENING POWER WHERE WECAN BRING OTHERS ALONG, AND I

THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT AS WELL.

SO BOTH IN THE POLITICAL WORLD,THE DIPLOMATIC WORLD, AS WELL AS

THE MILITARY WORLD, AND THEECONOMIC WORLD, THAT WE ARE

EXPECTED TO BE OUT THERE AND INFACT WHEN WE'RE NOT OUT THERE,

BOTH OUR FRIENDS WONDER AND THEENEMIES WONDER WHAT'S GOING ON.

THEY'RE CONFUSED BECAUSE WE'RENOT OUT THERE.

THAT MESSAGE COMES-- COMESACROSS LOUD AND CLEAR.

SO I'M SOMEONE BELIEVE THATS THEUNITED STATES IS THE

INDISPENSABLE COUNTRY AND WEWILL CONTINUE TO HAVE TO STAY

ENGAGED AND IT'S A VERY TOUGH,COMPLEX, UNSTABLE WORLD IN SOME

PARTS THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVETO FIGURE OUT HOW TO FACILITATE

A BETTER FUTURE IN THE END FORMANY PEOPLES IN MANY COUNTRIES

ALL OVER THE WORLD.

>> STEPHEN: DO YOU EVER GETTIRED?

DO YOU EVER GET TIRED OF THEMIDDLE EAST AND TRYING TO

MEMORIZE THOSE NEW NAMES.

LIKE I THOUGHT I'D BE ABLE TOCUT OUT LIKE THE MUKTADAH ALL

THOSE CONSONANTS JAMMEDTOGETHER.

DOES IT EVER WEAR YOU DOWN, ALLTHE DIFFERENT FIRES WE HAVE TO

PUT OUT IN THE MIDDLE EAST.

OUR ACTIONS OVER THERE.

DO YOU EVER WANT TO THROW UPYOUR HANDS AND GO BACK TO BED?

>> NO.

>> STEPHEN: NO?

>> NO.

WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS SORTOF AN OVER-ARCHING STRATEGY AND

PLAN FOR THE MIDDLE EAST COUNTRYBY COUNTRY, AND THEN EVEN IN THE

REGIONAL SENSE PER SE, AND ITHINK HAVING THAT AND HAVING A

VIEW OF THAT WOULD THEN ALLOWEVERYBODY TO FIGURE OUT HOW THEY

COULD CONTRIBUTE, IF IT'SANOTHER COUNTRY, OR WE COULD

CONTRIBUTE, EVEN INSIDE OUROWN-- OUR OWN COUNTRY.

>> STEPHEN: CAN I TELL YOU WHYI THINK THE AMERICAN PEOPLE

MIGHT BE TIRED OF IT AND WANT TOGO BACK TO BED-- AND I'M

SPEAKING FOR MYSELF, AND,THEREFORE, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

( LAUGHTER )IT'S BECAUSE--

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )WE'RE-- WE'RE ASKED TO BE AFRAID

OF IT.

YOU GET TO THINK ABOUT IT ALLTHE THE TIME OR YOU DID GET TO

THINK ABOUT IT ALL THE TIME ANDSAY TO YOURSELF, YOU KNOW WHAT?

THAT LITTLE CORNER OF THE DESERTLOOKS LIKE IT COULD BLOW UP REAL

GOOD.

LET'S GO OVER THERE.

WHEREAS, WE'RE ASKED TO BEAFRAID OF IT, AND WE'RE REMINDED

TO BE AFRAID OF IT, BUT WE NOLONGER HAVE MUCH OF A VOICE IN

IT BECAUSE OUR CONGRESSIONALREPRESENTATIVES WON'T VOTE ON

WHETHER WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DOANYTHING ABOUT IT.

WE'RE NOT ASKED TO SACRIFICETHAT MUCH FOR IT.

VERY FEW OF US GO FIGHT.

AND WE'RE ALSO NOT TOLD ALL THATMUCH ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING OVER

THERE.

SO ALL WE HAVE IS THE FEAR ANDNONE OF THE ACTION.

AND SO WE EVENTUALLY WANT TOSTOP THINKING ABOUT IT, AND

THAT'S WHY THAT 25,000-MANMERCENARY ARMY STARTS TO SOUND

GOOD.

( LAUGHTER )SO WE ALSO--

( APPLAUSE )WE ALSO WANT TO STOP CARING

ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS TO OUR MENAND WOMEN WHO GO OVER THERE

BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT THEM TOSACRIFICE FOR SOMETHING THAT WE

DON'T THINK IS RIGHT, AND YET,WE DON'T HAVE MUCH VOICE IN IT

ANYMORE.

( APPLAUSE ).

( CHEERS )>> SO YOU BRING UP A CONCERN

THAT I HAVE WITH RESPECT TO AGROWING DISCONNECT BETWEEN THE

MEN AND WOMEN WHO SERVE IN THISALL-VOLUNTEER FORCE WHO ARE THE

BEST I'VE EVER SEEN.

THEY'RE LESS THAN 1% OF THEPOPULATION.

THEY COME FROM FEWER AND FEWERPLACES IN AMERICA.

AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WHODIDN'T HAVE TO BUY INTO THESE

WARS, AS YOU SAID-- AND I AGREEWITH THAT-- AND CERTAINLY THE

VAST, VAST MAJORITY DIDN'T HAVETO FIGHT IN THEM, DON'T KNOW WHO

WE ARE AS A MILITARY.

AND IN FACT-- AND I'VE SAID THISMANY TIMES-- WHAT I ACTUALLY DO

WORRY ABOUT IS THAT WE BECOMESOME VERSION OF SOMETHING LIKE

THE FRENCH FOREIGN LEGION, WHICHIS PLEASE GO OFF AND FIGHT OUR

DIRTY LITTLE WARS AND LET US GETON WITH OUR LIVES.

AND I THINK THAT'S A DISASTERFOR AMERICA.

WE NEED TO BE CONNECTED TO THEAMERICAN PEOPLE AND WE NEED TO

DO THAT THROUGH THE SYSTEMTHAT'S HERE, THOSE THAT ARE

ELECTED, AND I CERTAINLY AGREETHAT THOSE WHO ARE ELECTED OUGHT

TO VOTE ON WHAT WE DO.

AND WE OUGHT TO( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )

AND IF I CAN MAKE-- AND WE OUGHTTO HAVE A FULSOME, RAGING DEBATE

ABOUT THAT IN THIS COUNTRY.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ).

>> STEPHEN: ADMIRAL, THANK YOUSO MUCH.

ADMIRAL MIKE MULLEN.

WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.

THANK YOU.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )