Fareed Zakaria - From Iraq to Syria on a "Long Road to Hell"

November 2, 2015 - Fareed Zakaria 11/02/2015 Views: 11,358

CNN anchor Fareed Zakaria talks about his documentary "Long Road to Hell," which examines the Iraq War and its influence on the fight against ISIS in Syria. (6:06)

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>> Trevor: PLEASE WELCOMEFAREED ZAKARIA.

(APPLAUSE)

WELCOME TO THE SHOW, MY FRIEND.

>> PLEASURE TO BE HERE.

>> Trevor: GOOD TO HAVE YOUHERE.

THIS IS NOW, IF YOU INCLUDE ALLITERATIONS OF THE DAILY SHOW,

YOU HAVE BEEN ON, INCLUDINGTHIS, THE 20 TIMES NOW.

>> 20, BIG 2-0.

>> Trevor: 20 TIMES, IS THATMORE TIMES THAN I HAVE BEEN ON

THE DAILY SHOW?

I FEEL LIKE IT HAS.

AND YET THEY HAVEN'T OFFEREDYOU THE GIG.

>> WHAT I WANT ARE YOUR SUITS.

>> Trevor: THANK YOU SO MUCHFOR COMING BACK ON.

GREAT TO YOU HAVE.

THIS SAY KID'S MOVIE, I'MGATHERING.

>> EXACTLY.

FUN AND GAMES ABOUT WAR CRIMES.

>> Trevor: THAT SOUNDS LOOK AGOOD MOVIE, DISNEY/PIXAR MOVIE,

FUN AND GAMES ABOUT WAR CRIMES.

IT'S A VERY INTENSE STORY, THATIS TOUGH TO BREAK DOWN, BUT I

MEAN, IT'S BASICALLY ABOUT THEMISTAKES MADE IN IRAQ.

AND WHETHER OR NOT THOSEMISTAKES WILL BE REPEATED IN

SYRIA.

>> RIGHT.

I MEAN IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THISIS NOT REALLY JUST ABOUT

HISTORY T BECAUSE IF YOU THINKABOUT IT, IRAQ WAS A CASE WHERE

YOU HAD A REGIME THAT WAS AMINORITY REGIME, THE SUNI,

SADDAM HUSSEIN WAS A SUNI.

WE GET IN, DISLODGE IT AND SAYWE'RE GOING TO CREATE A NEW

DEMOCRATIC IRAQ THAT INCLUDESEVERYONE.

>> Trevor: YEAH.

>> AND WE SEND IN LOTS OF TROOPSAND SPEND LOTS OF MONEY AND IT

HAS TURNED INTO A HELL HOLE,CHAOS, THERE IS A TEN YEAR

PERIOD OF ALMOST CIVIL WAR.

IRAQ EVEN TODAY IS THE SECONDMOST VIOLENT COUNTRY IN THE

WORLD AFTER SYRIA.

SO IF WE ARE THINKING OFINVADING THE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR

TO IRAQ WITH MANY OF THE SAMETRIBES WHICH ALSO HAS A MINORITY

REGIME, THE ALAWITES INSYRIA, IT FEELS LIKE YOU MIGHT

WANT TO LEARN SOMETHING ABOUTWHAT WENT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME.

>> Trevor: IF YOU LOOK AT THEREGION AS A WHOLE, WHAT IS CRAZY

TO WATCH IN THE DOCUMENTARY ISTHE IDEA THAT THE IRAQ NO LONGER

EXISTS.

IRAQ, ON A MAP, WE STILL SEE THELINES BUT THERE IS NO MORE IRAQ.

THIS IS DIVIDED UP INTO GROUPS,SUNI CONTROLS THE REGION,

SHIITES AND ISIS CONTROLS A BIGPIECE OF THAT NOW.

DOES THAT MEAN WE SHOULDREALLOCATE THAT, SHOULD WE SAY

THAT THIS IS A NEW REGION?

SHOULD WE ACCEPT THAT OR--

>> I THINK IN A SENSE WHAT WEHAVE TO DO IS RECOGNIZE THAT

WHAT WE HAVE ARE THREE ENCLAVES,THREE STATESLETS --I DON'T THINK

IT WILL CHANGE FORMALLY, BUTTHE KURDS ARE ESSENTIALLY

SELF-GOVERNING IN THE NORTH, THESHIA ARE SELF-GOVERNING IN THE

SOUTH AND THERE SAY BAD LAND INTHE MIDDLE THAT ISIS CONTROLS.

AND WHEN YOU GET TO SYRIA, THELESSON IS IF YOU DID END UP--

IMAGINE YOUR WILDEST DREAMS COMETRUE.

THE ASSAD GOVERNMENT WHICH WEARE BATTLING, DOES GET TOPPLED--

WHAT WILL HAPPEN THEN.

YOU WILL HAVE THE KURDS WILLCREATE THEIR OWN STATELET, THE

ALAWITE CREATE THEIR OWN IT WILLTURN INTO AN INTENSIFIED WAR

WITH THESE ENCLAVES JUST LIKE INIRAQ.

>> Trevor: ONE OF THESE ENCLAVESPEOPLE COULD ARGUE IS ISIS.

ISIS IS ONE OF THESE ENCLAVESTHAT CAME OUT OF IRAQ.

AND A LOT OF THOSE SOLDIERS THATWERE DISBANDED FROM THE IRAQI

ARMY WENT ON TO FIGHT WITH ISIS.

IN EFFECT--

>> THAT IS ONE OF THE OTHER BIGMISTAKES WE TALKABOUT.

WHICH IS THAT BY DISBANDING THEARMY, YOU PUT OUT, UNEMPLOYED,

HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF IRAQISWHO NOW HATED THE NEW REGIME AND

THEY HAD NO JOBS BUT THEY HADGUNS.

THEY KEPT THEIR GUNS.

THAT IS NOT A GOOD COMBINATION.

AND AGAIN, SAME THING IS LIKELYTO HAPPEN IN SYRIA.

YOU GET RID OF THE ASSAD REGIME.

WHAT DO YOU THINK WILL HAPPEN TOTHE SYRIAN ARMY?

THEY ARE NOT GOING TO SAY OH,RIGHT THERE IS A NEW GOVERNMENT

HERE, I BET THEY WILL BE REALLYNICE TO US.

THEY WILL GO IN AN INSURGENCYMODE.

>> Trevor: THEY MIGHT SAY, THATI DON'T KNOW.

I HAVE FAITH IN THE SYRIANS.

SO THEN WHAT DO YOU DO IN THESESITUATIONS, IF YOU GO IN AND

TOPPLE A DICTATOR, THERE IS APOWER VACUUM.

IF YOU STAY THERE PEOPLE ARESAYING YOU ARE INVADING A

COUNTRY.

IF YOU DON'T GO IN, PEOPLE SAYARE YOU NOT DOING ANYTHING, WHAT

DO YOU DO?

>> LOOK AT THE MIDDLE EASTRIGHT NOW.

SO WE WENT INTO IRAQ, SPENT LOTSOF TIME, MONEY, EFFORT, TRIED

VERY HARD.

>> Trevor: AND NOW ONE STAR TRIPADVISOR.

>> ONE STAR TRIP ADVISOR, CHAOSAND CIVIL WAR.

AND LIBYA, WHERE WE WENT IN ANDDIDN'T TRY, WE SAID LEAVE IT TO

THE LOCALS.

>> Trevor: ONE STAR TRIPADVISOR.

>> I AM AMAZED YOU ABOUT AREGIVING THESE COUNTRIES ONE STAR.

>> Trevor: YOU CAN'T GO TO ZEROTHRARKS IS THE THING.

>> IF ANY PLACE WOULDDESERVE ZERO, YOU KNOW--

>> Trevor: AND NOW YOU HAVESYRIA AS WELL.

>>AND SO IN SYRIA WE HAVEN'TDONE ANYTHING, ONE STAR ON TRIP

ADVISOR, CHAOS, CIVIL WAR.

SO THE ANSWER IS THAT THERE IS AVERY DEEP, BLOODY KIND OF

SECTARIAN STRUGGLE GOING ON INTHIS PART OF THE WORLD.

THERE IS GOING TO BE SOMESORTING OUT.

THE LEBANESE CIVIL WAR, LEBANONHAD A MINORITY REGIME, THE

CHRISTIANS, IT TOOK 15 YEARS,AFTER WAR WEARINESS THEY CAME UP

WITH AN ACCORD.

IRAQ WILL PROBABLY END UP THATWAY.

AFTER SOME POINT THESE GUYS WILLRENEGOTIATE SOME KIND OF DEAL.

THE ABILITY FOR AN OUTSIDER TOCOME IN-- YOU KNOW, WE ALWAYS

THINK WE GO IN AND WE KNOW WHOTHE GOOD GUYS ARE, THIS IS WHAT

IS STOPPING US IN SYRIA.

IN SYRIA WE KNOW WHO WE DON'TLIKE.

WE ARE AGAINST THE ASSAD REGIME.

WE'RE AGAINST ITS PRINCIPALOPPONENT, ISIS.

WE'RE AGAINST ALL THE AL-QAEDAAFFILIATES IN SYRIA, AL NEUS RA,

AGAINST ALL THE SHIITEMILITIAS, THE ONES IRAN IS

FUNDING, HEZBOLLAH, SO WE AREAGAINST EVERYBODY.

WE WANT TO BE FOR GOOD, MODERATESYRIANS WHO ARE LIKE

JEFFERSONIAN DEMOCRATS, AND ITTURNS OUT THERE ARE LIKE FOUR OR

FIVE OF THEM.

(LAUGHTER)

(APPLAUSE)

>> Trevor: THANK YOU SO MUCH,FAREED ZAKARIA. LONG ROAD TO

HELL, AMERICA IN IRAQ IS NOWAVAILABLE ON CNN GO AND VIDEO ON

DEMAND.

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FAREED ZAKARIA, EVERYBODY.