My guest tonight is a Fox Newspolitical analyst and author.
His new book is called We the People. Please welcome
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-Thank you. Thank you so much.-Thank you.
By the way, Trevor, I totallycalled Third Month Mania.
-Oh, you did?-Oh, man. Look, Trump supporters
don't believe in global warming,so they had that.
They didn't even...I mean, they just...
they had a knockoutstraight in, man.
I wish I had my NCAA bracketsas good as I did on that one.
Yeah, well, here there wereno upsets, were there?
No, man. They don't believein police brutality either.
So they knocked that one out.You know? I'm telling you.
Thank you so muchfor being on the show.
-My pleasure. Good to meet you.-Thank you for being here.
Uh, you arean interesting person for me,
'cause I-I see your faceevery day
-Thanks for watching.-when watching the news,
-and you're on Fox.-Right.
That must be an interestingworld for you to be a part of.
-(laughter)-It is. Without a doubt.
You know, I mean, people ask meabout this everywhere I go.
And in addition, remember,I'm on The Five,
so it's four against one. Right?
So it's really something.
Let's, uh...let's talk about a-a circus
that's happening right now,the presidential race.
You've been coveringpresidential races
-since, uh, the 1980s.I mean, that was -Yes.
when a president who actedwith a monkey became president.
-That's true.-Is this a crazier time for you?
Is this the craziest electionyou've seen?
By far. There's no way.
In other words, when you areschooled on politics
in this country,you know about polling.
You know about money.
You know about name ID.
I go on it that way, right?Focus groups.
This campaign has nothing to do.This is...
Like Trump-- let's just stayon Trump fair second.
No political background,no policy record.
You don't knowwhat he stands for.
And the minute he sayssomething,
then he'll say something else.
How about this? A Republicanwho will say that John McCain,
someone who was a prisonerof war, is really a loser.
-And then...-Because he got caught.
Yeah. And then,vault to the top.
Or say George Bush lied aboutweapons of mass destruction,
but he's still at the...
You think, wait a second.
I thought this guy wasthe Republican candidate.
What's going on here?
-How can that be?-It's global warming.
-May be, may be.-(laughter)
That's what that is.It's global warming.
It really is.
Let's talk about the book.
What's fascinating aboutthis book is you're delving
into the world of history,
showing us, I guess,how we came to be here.
It's really isa fascinating story.
'Cause whenever someone thinks
of the founding fathersof this nation,
they are four,they are on a mountain.
And yet, what you've donein the book is
you've almost arguedthat there are more founders
that don't have their faceson mountains.
Oh, yeah. Well, Mount Rushmore.
And, you know, normally, youthink of the founding fathers--
But here,on the cover of my book,
I've got Billy Graham,Ronald Reagan, Eleanor Roosevelt
and Thurgood Marshall.
And the idea is...and there's more than four.
I mean, there's like if...
When people talkabout the founding fathers,
you got about 50 people
who signedthe Declaration of Independence
and others who were atthe Constitutional Convention.
But when you thinkabout the America
that you and I are living in,in 2016,
it is such a different place.
-And we see it play out in thepolitics right now.... -Yeah.
...where people say,"Oh, this is a strange...
This is not the AmericaI grew up in."
Or, "I feel look a strangerin my own country."
So the idea of book is,
well, who shaped the Americaas we live in it today?
And to do that, in 2016,you got to understand,
well, like, Black Lives Matter.
Well, where did that come from?
You know, it's not justthe headline, Trevor.
It's the background.
A lot of peoplein Black Lives Matter say,
"Hey, this is notyour mother's movement." Right?
But guess what. Somebody gavebirth to this movement.
And in the book, I look at,you know, people like
-Dr. King, Jesse Jackson.-Yeah, you trace it back.
You trace it backall the day.
But you also haveto think about
why is policing the donethe way it's done today?
And in the book-- and a lot ofpeople are surprised at this--
I put Bill Bratton,
-the commissioner of policein New York. -Yes.
Because of his tactics--the surveillance,
the Compustats,the stop and frisk.
But now, you agree...
I think, in the book,what's fascinating to me is
you're not arguingfor or against these people.
-You're going, they shapedthe country. -Correct.
Positively or negativelyis not something.
-You're just saying they shapedit in this way. -Absolutely.
So a lot of people say, well,you know, they're liberals,
they're conservatives, they'relibertarians. I mean, there's...
In this book, Barry Goldwateris talking about gay rights.
And people say,"But Barry Goldwater--
he was a hard right guy."
Yeah, but he was a proponentof gay rights.
The idea is that people,much like a sculptor,
-you know, gets in the clayand shapes something. -Yeah.
These are the peoplewho have shaped America
as we live in it right now.
Applying this to the campaign,
do you see Donald Trumpshaping America?
Let me tell you,better or worse.
-Remember, that's what you said,right? -Yeah.
-Better or worse. You takethe immigration issue. -Yes.
That's the onethat he has used to vault
into the prominence that he has.
Thought you were gonna sayvault over the wall.
(laughing):Well... his wall.
-(laughter)-By the way, are you paying?
If you're paying it, I'm coming.
Um, and, yes,
you take an issuelike immigration,
you have to understand the roots
of resentment to immigrationand how things changed.
-Yeah. -And radically changedjust since the '60s.
So it's notGeorge Bush's failure
in '06 at immigration reform.
It's not Ronald Reaganeven in the '80s.
You can go back to the roots ofan issue and show how it grew.
Yes. In this case, you got backto President Kennedy
and the Irish resentment againstthe way they were treated
by the Boston Brahmins.
And you go backto Jewish resentment
about the exclusion of people
-who were fleeing Nazi Germanyand the holocaust. -Yeah.
And then you start to see, oh,
and that's how you getto immigration reform
that opens the door to peoplebeyond Great Britain.
So, basically,those people were the roots,
and then, over time,a tree has grown,
and Trump is a littleorange racist flower.
-(laughter)-He's a flower. He's a flower.
Is it orange? I have alwayswondered about that color.
I-I must say...
We'll keep discussing that,though.
We the People is available now.
It's a fascinating book, tellingyou all about your history.
-Juan Williams, everybody.-Thank you.
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