Please welcome Katie Couric.
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Welcome... welcome to the show.First of all...
It's so nice to be here.This is my first time.
May I say, this is such an honorhaving you.
I mean, you are...you are television.
You are... You are the personwho sits on the opposite side.
This is-this is really,really, uh, an honor for me.
-So, thank you for being here.-Well, that's awfully nice
of you to say. And how are youenjoying your new gig?
I'm having a great time.They're treating me well.
-We're having a good timetogether. -Yeah? Good.
The, uh, the documentarythat you made
is truly spectacular.
Every time you see a documentaryaround, uh, gun control
or gun rights in America,
it's... it alwaysseems to be very partisan.
You set out, though,to make a documentary
that was all about the facts,
all about the journalism,all about the stories. Why?
Well, you know, there...I think there's so much noise
surrounding this issue.And by the way,
thank you for devotingso much of your show tonight
-on this issue.-It's my pleasure.
Because I think we allneed to talk about it.
And instead of talking at eachother, talk with each other.
And I couldn't understandthe disconnect, Trevor--
after Sandy Hook-- how 90%of the people in this country
favored universalbackground checks,
and yet Congresscould get nothing passed.
So, this disconnectbetween public opinion
and our elected officials.
And I think there's been...this-this debate
has been going on for so long,as you described earlier
in the show, that we reallywanted to explain some of the...
even just the-the termsthat are bandied about.
Like, not only universalbackground check,
-gun show loophole,uh, bad apple gun dealer. -Yes.
So that people could beeducated, understand the facts--
it's a very data-driven film--
and then they couldhave a reasonable,
And as we saw,as Desi pieces... piece...
Desi's piece pointed out,74% of NRA members
favor universalbackground checks.
The NRA only representsfive percent
of gun owners in this country.
And so if we stopdemonizing each side
and kind of put the factsout there, we were just hoping
it would set the table for a...for an intelligent conversation.
It-it is a conversationthat people struggle to have
a lot of the time in America.I mean, as soon as...
Well, one of the reasonsis gun control. You know,
you hear the word "gun control"and everybody's like...
(exclaims) And so nowit's sort of "gun safety", uh...
"gun safety"or "gun violence prevention"
-is sort of more preferred.-Do-do you think that is...
that is one of the biggestproblems-- is just
-the branding around it?-Well, I think...
"Control"-- people automaticallyassume that the-the government
is going to come inand control their guns,
whereas the government's saying,"We're actually trying
to control the processof getting a gun, not your gun."
Yeah, I thinkit-it's partially that--
the branding, if you will.But also the narrative
that's been establishedby the gun lobby.
So, the-the sort of fearand paranoia it instills.
Any time there'seven a bit of discussion
about common-sense regulation,
they gin up certain extremists
in their membership,
or extreme gun rights advocates,
and get them in...whipped up into such a frenzy,
primarily becausethey want people to go out
and buy more guns,'cause they really work
more for the gun manufacturers
than the gun owners,in my opinion.
-It really-it really is true,and, uh... -(applause)
Yeah, that's fine.Uh... It's...
It's a powerful message,because one thing that struck me
in the documentary was a pieceof the conversation
I don't think I'd ever seenexplicitly had before,
and that was aroundreally singling out
the bad applesin terms of dealers.
Because the ATF and the FBIin the documentary talk about
how there are many gun dealerswho are great
and work with the ATFand the FBI.
They are common-sensegun dealers who say,
"Someone walked in, bought aload of ammunition and firearms,
-there's something strangegoing on." -Right. And I...
And then there are a fewwho explicitly say,
"We know we're involvedin straw purchases.
"We know these peoplemay probably re-sell
-these weapons, but we'llturn a blind eye." -Right.
We're talking about the-the...And-and what's
an interesting statisticin the film
is five percent of gun dealers
are responsible for 90 per...
selling 90% of the cri...uh, guns
that are used in the courseof committing a crime.
-Yeah. -And so it's justthis small group
that needs to...needs to be shut down.
We profile one in Chicagocalled Chuck's gun store.
And, uh, you know,I-I still don't quite understand
why the authorities can't domore about these gun dealers
who are unethicaland sell, you know,
dozens of guns, partiallybecause it's not really
against the law to sell anunlimited number of firearms.
What is against the lawis to turn around
and sell them illegallyon the streets, so...
It's such a...it's such a fine line, and, uh,
there's so muchto talk about on this,
so if you don't mind I'mgonna keep you here with me
for a little bit longer.We're gonna continue
this conversation on the Web.
If you are still with uson television,
Under the Gun is available
on Epix and epix.comthrough the end of May
and will be available on iTunesand Amazon beginning May 31.
Katie Couric, everybody.
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