Please welcome Katy Tur!
(cheers and applause)
-Welcome to the show, Katy.-Thanks for having me.
First and foremost,congratulations
on being awardedthe Cronkite Award
for reportingon the Trump campaign.
-Congratulations.-(cheers and applause)
When you look backon your reporting
during the Trump campaign,do you think
we're in an agewhere information
in and aroundwhat Trump is doing
actually dissuades votersfrom making a decision
that would positively impactDonald Trump?
I think that Donald Trump votersare not going to be dissuaded
by somebodyin the very fake news media.
No, well, listen,I think that...
I think that... Ugh.
-It's just a hard question.-Yeah.
Because you would...I would go out, and I would talk
to Trump supporterson the campaign trail,
and I would lay out someof the inconsistencies, um,
of his rhetoricand his promises,
and I would ask them about
some of the more controversialthings that he said,
and either they wouldn't hearabout the controversies,
-or they'd brush 'em off.-Right.
Or they just devoted...
They just gave himso much more credit
than they would have givento another politician,
and they believedin him in a way
that they didn't believe inanyone else, and the policies.
So when you said,"Oh, well, he's inconsistent,"
they said...and they would just... tell me
that they were...they were okay with it,
because they figured,when he got there,
he would makethe best decision possible
for that moment in time,
and they would allow himto do whatever he wanted.
That is sucha strange concept to me.
I mean, you gotto see it firsthand,
'cause a lot of peoplewere watching the campaign
from the outside.
When you were watching itfrom the inside,
did you get an inkling?
Did you go, "Oh, I thinkthis guy could win?"
A lot. Often.All the time.
-Wow. That definite?-No. No, seriously.
Well, the first momentthat I really thought
he could win waswhen he wasn't, um...
his poll numbers didn't tank,
-and he was fine after goingafter John McCain. -Right.
Usually, it's a sacred thing--American military service.
-Yes.-Especially being a P.O.W.
You don't go aftersomebody in the military,
you don't denigratetheir service.
And he did,and his poll numbers went up.
And I thought, this guyis not abiding by the laws
of political gravity.
-(laughter)-Maybe not gravity, period.
Um, but no, many times.
Because, you know,we would see people,
and they would wait for hoursin the cold, and they would...
There are storiesthat I don't think are proper
and appropriate to tell on TV,
but you can read about themin my book. Um...
-(laughter) -Very nicely played.-Terrible, terrible.
Let's, uh, let's-let's talkabout the intimate relationship
that you've hadwith the presidency.
Because I rememberwatching rallies,
and he used to point you outfrom the crowd.
-Yeah. -He'd be like,"We got to... The fake news..."
Like, "Hey, Katy, hey, Katy."
That must have beena little strange
to have President Trumpnot only--
I mean, he wasn't presidentthen, but I mean,
to have him saying thatand calling you out.
I think I got used to it,because...
the very first timeI went to a Trump rally,
or any sort of Trump event--I didn't know him at all,
at all, I'd never met himin my life--
he called me out.
-So he startedthe whole campaign -Wow.
by calling me out, so it wasn'tso unusual by the end.
That's a really interestingplace to be in.
Let's move forward nowto the hundred days
that is rapidly approaching.
by your argumentand by your logic,
which makes a lot of sense,
a hundred daysdoesn't mean anything
in the normal way that it does.
Trump supporters are at what,90-odd percent?
Yeah, the latest NBC Newsand Wall Street Journal poll
says something like 90%of Trump supporters--
the ones who voted for him-- arehappy with how things are going.
So does the hundred daysmean anything to them
-if he doesn't really doanything? -Well, no, it doesn't.
It's an artificial construct.
And Donald Trump would bethe first one to point that out,
but then also say that he'sdone more than anybody else.
-(laughter)-Um, but his supporters...
his supporters, uh,don't-don't give him...
they're not gonna grade himon a hundred days.
They're gonna grade himon a thousand days,
on, uh, on as long as it takesfor him to deliver
on his promiseof jobs, jobs, jobs.
If there's one thingthat may, um...
the only thingthat may actually matter
is whether or nothe creates jobs.
And I'm hesitant to saythat even matters,
because he can createthe illusion of creating jobs.
Which is kind of howhe's operated so far
-with his executive orders.-In what way? In what way?
Well, he rolled back regulationson the coal industry.
Is that gonna createa number of...
thousands of coal industry jobs?Probably not.
The coal industry is-is...is not doing well
not because there areregulations
-but because automation,and because... -Yes.
and new alternate sourcesof energy.
I mean, it's not necessarilybecause the industry
was just overregulated.
So he is able to go out and hesigns those executive orders.
You guys have all seen it,'cause I know you watch MSNBC
-(laughter)-in the middle of the day,
-um, when he doesthat exact thing. -Yep.
And it makes it look likehe is doing quite a bit.
-Yes. -It's a flurry of... of,um, activity at the White House
and in the Oval Officeevery day.
If you said to a Democrat,
hey, this is how you were goingto try and tackle Donald Trump
in the upcoming election,if his fans won't sway,
then what is anythingthat'll affect Donald Trump?
I think the way that you...you differentiate yourself
and the waythat you gain support
is the way that anybodyshould gain support,
which is, "Here are my ideas,
-Right. -"here is what I think we should do,
here is how I will bring back jobs,"
-Right. -not, "This iswhy this other guy is awful."
So don't, uh, hate the player,hate the game.
Katy, I hope you join us again.
Thank you so muchfor being on the show.
Be sure to watch Katy anchorthe 2:00 p.m. hour
of MSNBC Live, weekdays.
Katy Tur, everybody.