Rashida Jones - Examining the Porn Industry in "Hot Girls Wanted: Turned On" - Extended Interview

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Rashida Jones talks about how the culture of pornography has changed and weighs in on how women are reshaping the industry in her Netflix series "Hot Girls Wanted: Turned On." (8:31)

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Please welcome Rashida Jones.

-♪ -(cheering and applause)

-Hello.-Welcome to the show.

-Thank you for having me here.-This is...

Are you kidding me?This is amazing.

I've been a fan of yoursfor such a long time.

-That's so nice.-This is really wonderful.

I... Real quick story,I met your dad the other day.

-He's a legend.-Yes, he is.

-Yeah.-Quincy Jones is a legend.

-He's literally a legend.-He literally is a legend.

-Yeah. -Uh, and he is oneof the coolest men

I have ever met in my...So, I-I met him,

and he-he was sitting down.It was at an event.

And I wasn't supposedto be there,

so I didn't make eye contactwith anyone.

And then as I walked past,he just grabbed my arm.

But he's, like, chilling. Andthen he just grabbed my arm.

And he's like,"Come here, young man."

He's like,"Let me tell you something.

I really like your show."

And so I thoughthe was just being nice.

You know? So I was like, "Oh,you're very kind. Thank you."

He's like, "I don't have timeto be kind! I'm an old man.

I don't need to flatter youwith this (bleep). I'm old."

-And I was like...-That's... That sounds right.

-That is... -You're-you'regoo... You have good imitations.

-Oh, I'm-I'm trying. Yeah, yeah.-Yeah. Very good.

Well, I didn't know. I alwaysthought, like, Quincy Jones--

'cause of the music--I always thought he'd be like,

-"Well, hello, young man."-Oh, no. He's hilarious.

-Yeah. -Yeah, he's gotgreat one-liners, and he's...

you know, curses like a sailor.

Did you get your comedyfrom him?

A little bit, yeah.

Like, a mix of my parentsand then, you know,

a weird thing of my own.

That's a good combination.

Uh, let's talkabout this docuseries,

because this is something,I guess,

a lot of peoplewouldn't expect from you.

We know you acting. We know youas a comedy actress.

We know you as a director.

But this docuseries is,uh, really, really fascinating.

You made... you made an originalfeature film on porn,

and then Netflix came to youand said,

"Hey, let's make itinto a-a longer series."

Is this gonna belike Fast and the Furious?

Are there gonna be,like, eight of them?

What's the onethat just came out called?

-Fate of the Furious. -Soit's, like, Porn of the Furious?

-That's a good title.-That's... Maybe the next one.

-Don't joke. That's actually agood title. -Maybe the next one

-for them. I think I just... -Porn of the Furious.

-I just helped their franchise.-I think it works.

Um, yeah, so we made this filmcalled Hot Girls Wanted.

-I produced it.And it was about, uh, -Yeah.

18-year-old girlswho go to Miami,

answer craiglic...craigslist ads

to venture into amateur porn.

And it was just kind of one areaof the business.

And there's so much moreto talk about when it comes

to sex and technology and porn.Obvious...

-Porn is the obvious meetingof the two. -Right.

But there's other things.Like, you know,

dating online and social mediaand how it affects us

in our intimacy,in our connection,

or disconnectionto our sexuality.

I really enjoyed in the series,you know, of the episodes I saw,

how, you know,you document the story

of how porn has changedover the years,

which is a strange thingyou don't consider.

People go, "Porn is porn."

But if you look at porn now,

it's becomea little more violent.

It has become a lot quicker.

Like, I remember, when I wasyoung, porn had a story line.

-Now, I didn't enjoy the story,but I watched it. -(laughter)

-You tolerated it. Yeah.-I tolerated it, you know?

-Yeah. -Someone knockson the door, delivering pizza.

-It's not a pizza.-(laughter)

But porn has changed,

and that has changedhow young people see sex now.

Yeah, so,two things have changed.

-One is, porn isso much more accessible. -Yeah.

And there's so much more kindsof porn.

So you have everybody'sfantasies being realized

in this place where anybody canget access to it.

That includes a lotof young people.

So, you know, 50% of kids

in this countryhave had two or...

less days of sex ed.

So, for the most part, they'regonna learn about sex from porn.

Oh, that's a horrible placeto learn about sex.

It's not realistic.

I mean, it's definitelynot realistic.

And, you know, uh, it's...

-It is created as adultentertainment and fantasy. -Yes.

And it's not really...shouldn't be a useful tool

to learn how to have sexthe right way.

There's one episode inparticular that speaks to that.

It was a story of a young girlwho filmed her friend,

I think on Periscope,

while she was beingsexually assaulted.

Her friend.

And afterwards...

I mean, she's in the story,and she's saying,

"I was drunk, and I didn't thinkit was a big deal,

"and all the likeswere coming in.

That's why I kept on filming."

And, like, I mean,did it shock you

to see how desensitizedmany young people have become

to sex and the dangersthat come with it as a whole?

Well, I think that's justkind of a natural byproduct

-of technology and the Internetacross the board. -Yeah.

Which is... we don't...

It takes away the humanity.

You don't have to kind ofsee somebody face-to-face.

Like, you're shoppingfor, you know,

-things on your Amazon card.-Uh-huh.

And you're, like, putting intoilet paper, or whatever.

And then you're, like,on your Tinder app,

and you're, like,looking at faces,

and you're, like, swiping peopleto the left, right?

To the left is the prop...?I don't know.

-Depends really what they looklike. -Yeah. You're, like...

-(laughter) -Whichever the badway, whichever the "no" way is.

-Yeah. -You're just disregardingeverything about a person left.

-Left. Yes, left.-Okay, okay.

Not that eitherof us would know that.

-No, no, of course not.-Right. -(laughter)

Um, but, you know,you're just...

you're just saying "no"to everything about that person.

-Right. -And you don't haveto actually deal

with their humanity,so, in a way,

it's sort of designed to make usnot accountable...

-Uh-uh.-on every level.

And I think it's especiallydangerous when you're talking

about intimacyand connection and people.

Don't you thinkwe do a little bit of that

in real life, though?Like, I feel like in real life

people swipe left or right, it'sjust now it's on the, like...

I think it's much...If I... if we went on a date,

-and I said, "Hey..." -Tell memore about this story. Yes?

"Hey, uh, we went on a dateand, uh, I liked you,

and you never called me back."

Yeah, you can't...you can't do that.

-I can't do that.-If you "ghost" me,

which is, you know, whenpeople just stop writing back,

-you have to turn your backand run away. -Yes.

-And you probablywouldn't do that. -No.

You would be like,"I'm so sorry,"

and "I didn't know thatI hurt you," and, you know?

Well, what I would do isback away while looking at you.

I feel thatthat's more appropriate.

-Okay. -So if you said,"Why didn't you call me back?"

-then I would just dothis type of thing. -Right.

As we're talking,I'd be like, "Uh-huh, uh-huh,"

-and then you'd see.-All right.

-It's more personal. -It is.By the way, you're still...

-you're looking at me.-I'm still looking at you.

-I see you as a person.-So I feel great about that.

That isthe most important thing.

-Um, if... if someone...-(laughter)

if someone... if someoneis watching this series,

you know, um,it tells so many stories.

It's not anti-porn,and it is also not pro-porn.

It is really just telling thestory of what porn has become.

As somebody who's goneinto this world,

everyone that works on a filmthat documents porn in some way

sees it completely differently.

How do you think your view'schanged in making the story?

Oh, that's a good question.

I mean, I... I-I think...

the biggest thingis that everybody

has such a differentrelationship with sex.

Even the people who workwithin the sex industry

have, you know-- some peopleare completely comfortable

in their bodiesand they love what they do,

some thought they wouldand they don't,

you know, some people kind of,

you know,wish for something better.

I mean,it's the same thing in life,

it's just kind of a microcosmfor life,

but it's differentbecause it is their job.

Everybody has such a differentrelationship with sex

-and what turns them on,-Right.

-what doesn't and, you know.-Yeah. Um, looking at the story

that we saw, the clip,just before you came out.

Do you thinkit makes a big difference

having women in positionsin the porn industry

that shape the stories?

You know, you also documenteddirectors and producers

and womenwho are getting involved

in reshapingthe way porn is made.

Do you thinkthat'll make a difference?

And if yes,what would that difference be?

Well, you know, I feel likeit's happening in Hollywood.

There's been this conversation,like, "Women are a trend!"

Which is hilarious,'cause we're not a trend,

we're half the population.

-(laughter)-But, um...

-Yeah. See? Somebody agreed withme. Yeah. -(cheering, applause)

That's the half of thepopulation I'm talking about.

And in... you know, women wantto see their stories being told,

-Yes. Yes.-and you're probably...

it's more probableyou're gonna see

your story being toldif it's told by a woman.

I'm not sayingit's across the board.

Men can tell those stories, too.

But something is different whena woman is behind the camera,

and I thinkthat's very true for sex.

And, you know, this...this episode that I directed

that's about womenbehind the camera in porn,

you know, they are tryingto kind of change the perception

of... of women who work in porn

as well as, you know, what it'slike to consume porn as a woman.

And I don't think womennecessarily feel comfortable

talking about it,what they want,

what they want to see,so this is hopefully going

to encourage that conversation.

I honestly,from the little I've seen,

I definitely think it will-- Iencourage everyone to watch it.

-Thank you so much for beingon the show. -Thank you.

-Wonderful having you.-Nice to meet you.

Hot Girls Wanted: Turned On.

It will start streamingon Netflix on Friday, April 21.

Rashida Jones, everybody.