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First up, Nightly Show contributor Mike Yard.
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And Nightly Show contributorRobin Thede.
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And her new album Emily's D+ Evolution is out now--
Grammy award-winning musicianEsperanza Spalding.
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-YARD: Ooh...-I know, I know.
A new Washington Post pollsays that
nine out of ten Native Americansdo not have a problem
with the name Redskins,so we talked about this earlier.
Uh, so my question is, if mostNative Americans ain't mad,
why should we be mad?
If you read the specifics,they polled, uh,
-500 Native Americans...Native Americans, -YARD: Yeah.
-but only 44% of them claimed-WILMORE: Mm-hmm.
that they were enrolledin a tribe,
-Mm-hmm.-so 56% of them were just like,
"I think I got Indianin my family," like...
-SPALDING: Right, right, right.-That's who they called,
a bunch of... a bunchof black chicks from Brooklyn.
-I got... Look at my baby hair.-Yeah, look at my hair.
-Look at my baby hair, though.-Look at my hair...
WILMORE (laughing):My baby hair!
THEDE:You see this? You see this?
It's Cher... Cher-uh-kee.
I'm gonna tell you something,if that... if that poll
is really true, I am very upset,because I've spent a lot of time
-yelling at my car radio.-WILMORE: Really?
When they talkabout this Redskin thing,
I'm, like, pissed off, like,"Change the (bleep) name!"
-That's right, that's right.-And then they don't care?
I wasted my yelling?
SPALDING: Yeah. Your precious...your precious, precious yelling.
-You only get so much.-Right, right.
WILMORE: Who gets to determinewhen a word is okay?
Is it just the group, or shouldthe society determine together?
-I mean, 'cause... -I guessyou can find out the hard way.
-Yeah. That's true. -You couldtry it to somebody's face,
and if you get slapped,then it's not good.
-WILMORE: Then you know.-THEDE: That's a good test.
-Then you know.-The slap test. I like that.
I'm gonna say...I'm gonna say this.
I don't know.Um, I would say the group.
-WILMORE: Mm-hmm.-But as far as the N-word, uh,
yeah, white people, we controlwhat happens with that.
-Right. -Don't touch it.Leave it alone. Leave it alone.
-SPALDING: Yes. Tell 'em.-Not even in a rap song.
-WILMORE: Yeah. Yeah.-SPALDING: No. No.
Are you one of those, like,don't sing along on the radio?
No. When that N-word come on,just go ♪ Mm, mm, mm...
-Whenever you knowit's coming up, -That's right.
-you go ♪ Ah... -♪ Ah...
You're sayingdon't even think it, right?
Don't even think it!Don't even...
Start thinking about yogurtor some other (bleep).
-THEDE: Yogurt?! -Whatever.Whatever makes you happy.
Are you trying to think of thewhitest thing you can think of?
Yeah, the whitest thing!
Uh, if it had beenanother ethnic group,
do you thinkit would have changed sooner?
Do you think they would havechanged that name, you know?
-Yeah. -I mean, you did thejoke, the Washington Blackskins.
Yeah, yeah, I mean, look, if...let me tell you something.
Of course it would have.
There's, like,12 Native Americans left.
That's why they...it took so long.
WILMORE:Well, that's an exaggeration.
No, I mean,it's an exaggeration,
but there'snot many of them left.
-There's not equivalent.-Exactly.
There's not equivalentof the term that's like...
offensive enoughthat somebody would care,
-WILMORE: Mm-hmm.-but not so offensive
that you couldactually name a team.
-Yeah. -Right.-Like what?
What other ethnic groupis there a word like that?
Yeah.Where it's still offensive?
-Yeah, that is a good question.-But, like, you can somehow
be like, "We're the Red..."I-I can't...
YARD: We're the CaliforniaDay Laborers!
-You know... Yeah, you can't...-(laughter)
it doesn't really...
WILMORE: You can't bethe San Diego Sambos.
-(audience groans)-Exactly. -No.
What? I said you can't.I didn't say you can.
Well, and that's a good point.Like, they're not gonna make...
uh, there's never been, like,a professional sports team that
was named after a derogatoryterm for black people,
because black peopleare 90% of sports teams.
-SPALDING: Whoa...!-Like, they're not gonna have...
they're not gonna playfor the Denver Darkies.
-Not when they started.-Or the San Francisco Sambos.
-I like how...-You know, like, in modern term,
-in modern terms. -I know.-I like how they "ooh."
What, do y'alljust watch hockey?
-(laughter)-Black people run every sport.
Yeah, black people...black people run every sport.
Well, remember the Clippershad all that stuff, because...
because the owner wascaught saying some (bleep).
It wasn't evenabout the name of the team.
THEDE:But was he wrong, though?
-What?!-I'm just kidding.
-(laughter) -Just wanted to seeif you guys were listening.
Here comes the hate tweets.
It was a joke!
This upset me, though.Okay, so the Thunder--
remember that Steven Adams,he got in trouble
for saying he waschasing around some monkeys?
I don't thinkhe meant any harm by it.
But here's the Phoenix Sunshave this mascot.
Okay, this is their mascot.
-Okay. -(Thede laughing)-(audience groans)
WILMORE:Thank you! Okay.
I got a problem with this.
-Yeah! -Okay. Am I wrongfor having a problem with this?
First of all,what does a gorilla have to do
-with the Suns? -Yes.-(laughter)
-WILMORE: Yes.-Well, depends on who you ask.
-Depends on who you ask.-Why was that...
I don't... I don't like allthe non-verbal communication
going on in that mascot.
-(bleep), what the hell?-That's (bleep) up to me.
It's like, Phoenix,what are you trying to say?
Exactly. The sun turns...
Oh. Right. Right?
I don't... I don't like it'cause it's not...
When did a gorillawear a T-shirt?
-SPALDING: Right, they don't.They don't. -WILMORE: Mm-hmm.
YARD: And how does a gorillaknow how to dribble?
The gorilla gota hell of a handle?
He got mad hops.He got a trampoline?
What gorilla has a trampoline?That is not realistic.
-It doesn't make sense to me.-No, it doesn't.
I-I do have a problemwith that, though,
'cause it's the blackestprimate they could find.
-SPALDING: Right.-It is literally
the blackest primatethey could find.
I... I-It's...it's offensive. What...
You wouldn't have been offendedif it was, like, a chimpanzee,
is that what you're saying?Or, like, an orangutan
if it had an orange butt?You'd say,
-"Okay, well, it's got an orangebutt." -No, that'd be cute.
No, no, no, I would havea problem with any primate
that's on a team that's notnamed after primates.
I don't think black peopleget upset at orangutans.
-But we... uh, gorillas, yeah.-Yeah, 'cause they're red.
We... we draw the distinctionbetween orangutan and gorilla?
I'm just saying, I've never...But that's not even a slur.
If someone said "Youorangutan!"-- Oh, thank you.
-Thank you very much.-But, look, nobody's ever cursed
a black people out and beenlike, "You (bleep) orangutan".
-But they have called us apes.-Yeah. No, I think they have.
Let me ask you something--do you think black people
are too sensitiveabout monkey terms?
I... This is a real question.
-YARD: No. -Are you sayingbecause monkeys are adorable?
No, 'cause monkeys are adorableand, like, I know people
that call their kids, like,"Oh, they're little monkeys."
-No, that... Okay.-But you know what I mean?
It's-it's alludingto this evolution argument
that used to be used to say thatblack people were inferior
-'cause they were less evolved.-THEDE: That's right.
-Totally agree. -So, whensomebody talks about "monkey",
I think it's roping into that,"Oh, you're less evolved.
I'm the...I'm the improved version
-of you, you're closer..."-WILMORE: Right.
That's why it's offensive.
And I don't know even knowif people understand that...
-...that subtle connection.-Uh, they understand it.
-YARD: That's why they do it.-They understand it.
And I think most peopleuse it out of ignorance.
They're not eventhat educated to know that
-that's why they're doing it.-No, they've heard it...
heard it somewhere in the worldand it's... Ugh. Ugh.
-Like that.-How do... I mean... -Go ahead.
How do they come up with theseteam names or mascots anyway?
Like, is there, like,a group that co...
Like, did people sit aroundin Phoenix and go,
-"You know what we need?"-Mm-hmm.
"To really spice things upin this (bleep) stadium?
"A goddamn gorilla.
"Doing flips in the airand dunking.
Like the guys on the team--just dunking."
He had just been to the zoohigh, and he was like...
-Yeah.-WILMORE: It's like...
-Where do they get...-(bleep) a gorilla...
Okay, give me a name of a team
that just gets up to the lineand pulls back.
-Just make one up.-Make one up?
uh... uh, I don't know,the Kansas City Coonhawks.
-I don't know.-WILMORE: What... Coonhawks?
-(audience exclaims)-WILMORE: Whoa.
I don't know. Is that a team?You said make one up.
-I just made that up.-I know. You're so racist.
Is that not on the line?Do we get a...
All right, well,I guess we proved Mike Yard
-is racist again. All right.-Like Pardon the Integration.
-Nice. -You set me up,Larry. You set me up.
Okay, we'll be right back,right after this. So racist.
-You set me up.-♪ -(cheering, applause)
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