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First up, Nightly Show contributor Mike Yard.
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Now, uh, since the tragicmass shooting in Orlando,
we've been having a gun controldebate here in America,
uh, just like we doafter every mass shooting.
But one thing that seems to bemissing from this conversation--
and I wanted to bring this up--is the fact that,
uh, gun violence in poorblack communities is, like,
part of everyday life now,unfortunately.
Just-just this pastFather's Day weekend, you guys--
this is sobering--59 people were shot in Chicago.
Ten were shot at a block partyin west Philadelphia.
And 12 people were shot at abirthday party in Detroit, okay?
So, my question isdoes gun control
feel like a solutionfor what's happening
in these communities?
To me, um, I would say...I would say not.
Um, the... the solution,I think, is gonna come from
a difference in vibration.Uh, our communication
about what is real resolution?How to be real resolutionary.
I mean, gun controlalmost feels like
blaming the victim sometimes.
Um, I'm not sayingguns are helpful.
I'm not saying that, uh, we needto arm ourselves to the teeth.
But I'm saying, uh,it seems like, in our community,
you only hear about the tragedy.
You never hear about,uh, the positive fatherhood.
You never hear aboutthe-the victories.
You never hear aboutthe creativity,
you never hear about,uh, you know,
our connectionsthat really matter.
But we do always hear about
Chicago being the highestin murder rate in the world,
so I-I think the narrativehas to change
in order to createa different vibration.
And I'm not quite sureit happens
just throughgun control legislation.
-Right.-Yeah, I don't think it helps.
I don't think it helps anyway,'cause brothers
don't buy their guns from GunsR Us, so that's not gonna help.
-(laughter) -M1: Exactly. Yeah.-WILMORE: Right.
-Right? We don't goand fill out forms. -M1: Yeah.
-WILMORE: Mm-hmm.-You know, thugs buy their guns
out of somebody's trunk.You know what I mean?
-M1: Exactly. Yeah.-So that's...
So that's not gonna helpby regulating assault rifles.
Unless you're talkingabout banning all guns,
-then it's not gonna help.-M1: Exactly. -WILMORE: Mm-hmm.
They usually use handgunsin the hood.
-Thank you, Mike.-Usually.
-That's the deal.-You know, Glocks.
-Easy to hide in your pants.-Mm-hmm.
What do you think we can startseeing as the cure in this area?
Because we keep talkingabout this, like, when
these mass shootings happen,but when this happens,
you know, we seem at a loss justto know what to do first.
Like, what is that first move,you know?
Well, I mean,one of the first moves,
somethingthat could be helpful is--
I don't know-- better education.
-YARD: How about that?-M1: Yes. -How about that?
-M1: Yeah. -You know?-(applause and cheering)
WALKER:I mean, it would be nice.
-It would be nice.-YARD: Yeah, it would be cool
if we kind of ended systemicracism. That might help.
-Oh, that'd be nice.That'd be real nice. -Mm.
-(applause and cheering)-That might help.
-Might be a little thing(bleep). -WALKER: That could...
-Oh, you know. -You're so right.It's so much deeper than just...
You're talking about guns.
It's just like this kind of,you know, label issue.
-WILMORE: Mm-hmm. Yeah.-It's so much deeper than that.
-And, uh... Yeah. -YARD: Yeah.They talk about it like...
like black people in the hooddon't know how to act.
Let me tell you something.
Most people that are out in thestreet, committing crimes,
shooting folks,or doing whatever--
most of them people are doing itbecause they see that as...
That's their way to survive.
They're starving,and they want to eat, right?
-And when you get a gun,it's power. -M1: Right.
You give somebody a gun,they feel powerful,
and they go out...
And if they're hungry, they'regonna go eat with that power.
-M1: That's right.-You know what I'm saying?
So it's not about people justnot knowing how to behave.
It's about, you have a situationwhere people are undereducated.
-They're from disenfranchisedneighborhoods. -WILMORE: Right.
And they still got to eat.
-Poor people got to eat.-Yup. Yup. -Mm-hmm.
-(applause and cheering)-Well, but it's also...
It's also not black poor people.
-It's poor people in general.-YARD & M1: In general.
-It's not just black.-M1: Not black people. Exactly.
It's poor people in general.
-(applause)-Yeah. Yes. Yeah. I think
-we got to change the narrative.Um, you know... -Yeah.
Like he was saying,at the end of the day,
we can focus onwhat are our new weapons.
We have to weaponize ourselveswith creativity.
-(applause and cheering)-We got to, you know...
There's some heroes...there's heroes our hood...
-WILMORE: Right. -...you know,who have armed themselves with
-other than guns.-Right.
But how much do you thinkthe glorification of guns
in the culturemakes a difference
in this type of thing?
I thinkit makes a huge difference.
-Mm-hmm. -It's ridiculouslyhuge. The only few things...
The couple of things that I'velearned from hip-hop videos is
A: to have a gun in my hand,
and B: to have in the other handa big-bootied ho.
-M1: Mm.-Um, yeah.
-(applause) -And preferably,preferably, a big-bootied ho...
A big booty in one hand?How big...?
-It's gonna spill outof that other hand. -Uh-huh.
And preferably a big-bootied howho has guns in her hand, so...
-M1: Right.-So... I mean, that's...
-So, yes, it's being glorified.-WILMORE: Well, it's been
glorified in our culturefor a long time.
-M1: Yeah.-WALKER: Very much so. -Right.
-YARD: From the '70s. -The wildwild West was all about
-you know, the gun culture.-YARD: Super Fly.
-WALKER: Yeah. Yes.-M1: Exactly.
YARD: Super Fly. He was a pimp!
Yeah, but it was about his afrosand his high...
-I don't know. I...-But...
There was a lot of talkof cocaine.
No, Super Fly had a...He had a perm, right?
-He had a perm. Exactly.-Yeah, that's right.
But it seems to me...
America was built on violenceand hypocrisy
of violence in the worldso it's almost hypocritical
for us to talkabout disarming ourselves here
but bombing and droning andeverywhere else in the world.
-WILMORE: Mm.-It's very hypocritical.
And, you know,at the end of the day, um...
You know, it is what it is.
WILMORE:Exporting the violence.
-Yeah.-YARD: But we have a country
-that's fascinated by guns, man.-I think so.
I mean, it's unbelievable to me
that at the beginningof this nation,
you're starting a new country,and you write in an amendment
that says,"Hey, you can have guns."
-(laughter) -Why? Don't you haveother issues to deal with?
Why you talking about peopleshould be able to bear arms?
WILMORE: Well, I thinkat that point the issue
they were dealing with...needed guns.
-Well...-YARD: I mean, I don't know.
I mean, they won the war.
-With guns.-Yeah, but...
-(laughter)But not with...
not with farmers and gunsor accountants and guns.
With the military.
That's where guns should be--
in the militaryto protect your country.
Well, actually, our army wasa lot of farmers
and people like that with guns.It actually was.
-Yeah. Yeah, but...-It's true.
But we won that war,and we don't need them anymore.
Like, I don't feel like we need
to have the rightto bear arms now.
It's not as...We don't need...
Like, we don't need to go...
WILMORE:You don't think... You would be
-happy with the second amendmentgone away? -WALKER: Yup.
-Oh, yeah, I don't think it'snecessary anymore. -Absolutely.
-(applause and cheering)-I mean shouldn't have it.
The Constitutionwas meant to be a living
and breathing document, right?It's supposed to grow.
-WILMORE: Yeah. -As the countrygrew, it was supposed to grow.
-Yeah, we're... -WILMORE:Did you have guns in the house
-growing up?-M1: Yeah, there was guns
all around my house,all around my community.
YARD:Of course there was guns around.
And I didn't come to understandthem until, like...
You know, Huey P. Newtonparaphrased it well.
He said, "Political power comesfrom the barrel of a gun."
He was able to makea phenomenal statement
in Oakland, Californiaabout guns, and like you said,
we are meantto change that paradigm.
And then have you hip-hop, love,peace, unity and having fun.
-It wasn't built on thefoundation of guns... -Mm-hmm.
...but it was a weaponfor our community.
We have to evolve.We have to, like I said,
pick a bigger weapon.
I think we got to picka bigger weapon.
WILMORE:Like our mind!
-Our minds, yes!-WALKER: Exactly.
-All right, we'll be right back.-WALKER: Exactly.
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