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First up, Nightly Show contributor Rory Albanese.
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And Nightly Show contributor Grace Parra.
-(cheers and applause)-ALBANESE: Yeah. -WILMORE: Yeah.
And she's an author, performer,entrepreneur, and the host
of her own daily daytimetalk show, Wendy Williams. Yeah.
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Okay, I'm very excitedabout this topic,
'cause there wassome controversy recently.
It was announced--you guys heard about this--
that Barbie would now comein different body shapes.
-WILLIAMS: Mm-hmm.-Uh, uh, they said...
People and studies have said
Barbie represents unrealisticbody mages for girls,
so in an effortto reflect real women,
Barbie would nowalso be available
in curvy, tall,and petite sizes,
I guess is what they're saying.
-WOMAN: Yeah!-PARRA: Yeah.
WILMORE:All right. Is this necessary?
That's my question.
-It is.-WILMORE: Mm-hmm.
The thing about the tall one is
that I hopeshe's not tall and thin.
I hope she's tall and meaty...
-WILMORE: Yeah.-PARRA: Right, right.
...'cause that representsa lot of us. -WILMORE: Yeah.
I think they shouldcall her Meaty Barbie.
-Larry... -That's whatthey should call her.
That's how you sell those dollsoff those shelves, Meaty Barbie.
Meaty Barbie,I think, would sell.
Yeah, I mean, it feels like...it's-it's a weird thing,
because you think about it,like, why stop there?
You know what I mean?Like, there's other...
like, Barbie's missing so manyother realistic components,
-like nipples. Full nipples.-Pregnant Barbie.
-You know...-Inverted Nipple Barbie.
Inverted Nipple...Just, like, it's like, she...
-There's so many... -WILMORE:Inverted Nipple Barbie?
There's so many other thingsabout her that are wrong.
-You know what I mean?-Or lacking, like underarm hair.
-Yeah, yeah.-I was the first kid in my class
-to get underarm hair. -Orunder... Or underarm wobble.
-It's like, Barbie, hello?-But you're right...
You're right that, like,at some point, when do you...
-when you stop with the real?-Yeah, I mean, it feels like
it's a good thing but there'sa part of me that feels like,
isn't the whole fun of beinga kid that you can live
in a fantasy world,that everything's great?
And then, like, when you hit 18,
you get hit with a sledgehammerof reality, you know?
Why-why... why hit kidswith that... 'Cause then part...
Then you start to go, well,you know, if you want it to be
realistic, get herthe out of the Dreamhouse.
You know what I mean?Like, she should probably...
she should probably havea smaller, like, a split-level
-Like, Barbie's Trailer? -Yes!-...in Levittown, you know.
-She's not gonna beliving in Malibu. -Yes!
And Ken's really around anymore,you know what I mean?
-Right! -He's, like, you know...She's building IKEA furniture.
You know what I mean.It's like... Why stop...
why stop with the...why stop here, you know?
Is-is this an adult concernor a child concern?
Like, does this feel like
-it's more adults thinkingthat this is and issue? -Yes.
-Or do kids really careabout it? -I think that adults--
and I'm a parent,so I can say this--
a lot of us,because we're working so hard,
we don't have a whole lotof time, some of us,
to devote to our children,and so we rely
on Justin Bieber,
-Oh, my God.-...Barbie,
you know, and McDonald'sto raise our kids.
-That's a... -ALBANESE:That... I'm not gonna say...
-That explains a lot.-PARRA: It does explain a lot.
That is a... that is a listof horribles right there.
-But a lot of...-Selena's not horrible.
-A lot parents are up to stuff.-Yeah.
-And they don't have the time.-Uh-huh. -Yeah.
Do you think dollshave to look like you?
Did you ever feel that as a kid?
-Did you play with dollswhen you were growing up? -No.
Did... Oh, neverplayed with dolls at all?
-PARRA: Amazing, amazing.-Really? -I-I...
-Uh, Larry, sore subject,I mean... -I know, I know.
No, no, just 'cause...No, no, not sore, but I just
never played with dolls
and I never hung picturesof, like, Keith Partridge
or-or, you know,The Silvers-- remember them...
-Oh, absolutely, big Afros,yeah. -...on my wall.
I-I actually did play withBarbies, but because I am
a wee Mexican who wasspawned from the loins
of two other wee Mexicans,I never saw Barbie
as being attainable.She was always, you know,
like a mythical beastlike a unicorn or...
-A beast. A beast.-Or... Yeah.
Just completely,completely unrealistic.
Yeah, you know what-whatwas interesting, I saw
some little girls-- they weregiving them the other Barbies.
Like, I don't know why they allhave to be Barbies.
-Can't they just have differentnames? -Right.
Because one girl said,"This isn't Barbie!"
and started crying, 'cause,well, yeah, you're right,
-they changed Barbie.-Yeah.
-It's like they're trying totrick the little girls. -Right.
-We get attached to name brands.-But why couldn't they just
have different names?Why do... why do they
-have to all be Barbie?-Meaning, like, Curvy Barbie
shouldn't be Barbie,she should be, like, Rhonda
or something like that,you know what I mean?
-Right, right. -Exactly.-Right, and then it's like...
-That's my point. -Yeah.-Yeah, and then you're like,
"You know, Rhonda... She...Rhonda's got her own problems."
-You know what I mean?Let's not... -WILMORE: Exactly.
She's got...Rhonda has her own issues
-that are different from Barbie.-Barbie's doing fine.
-Barbie's got the Dreamhouseand she's got Ken. -Exactly.
-That's all I'm saying.-But Rhonda's got someone named,
like, you know, Cur...or, like, Carl or something,
-you know what I mean?-PARRA: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He, like, you know, he fi--he fixes the Jeep for Ken.
-You know? He's like, youknow... -When Ken's not around
-to take care of things. -I feellike that's a more fun...
-I-I agree, I... That's a morefun world. -Personally, Larry,
I think you could actuallycall the petite Barbie
Grace Parra, 'cause I don't knowif you guys saw this...
-Oh, yeah! -This is amazing,this is amazing. -This is...
So, a few friends have sent mepictures of...
WILMORE: Look at this,look at this! That's hilarious.
Mattel, I'm stillwaiting on my ten percent.
WILMORE: That is hilarious.Okay, actually,
do you-do you thinkthis is an issue with boys?
'Cause I think it was The Guardian or somebody
-drew up, like, some toys forboys. -ALBANESE: I love this.
Let's take a look at what theylook... We didn't do this.
Th-They did this.
ALBANESE:And-and wait, just to be...
WILMORE:Like, I like the dad bod toy.
-WILLIAMS: The one on the wayright? -Yeah.
ALBANESE: That literally lookslike our entire writing staff.
WILLIAMS: Who is the one inthe pink tank top? Who is that?
WILMORE: I have no idea.I have no idea.
-I think he's Douche Ken.-Caitlyn. -PARRA: Yes, yes.
-Does he have breasts?-I have no idea.
Boys don't care about theirbody image. Like, like...
-Yeah, boys don't care...-Well, hold on a minute.
-Don't speak on boys' behalf.-Okay. Okay, boy.
We... I... We don't care.But I just... I feel like...
I just want to be clear thatI feel like I had to say that.
-I had to say that.-Yeah, I agree.
Boys might care aboutpenis size, though.
-So if there werelittle dolls... -On a doll?
Well, I don't know!
-Yeah, I mean... -No, a boy'llmake the whole doll a penis.
-I mean, we don't...-That's true, that's true.
I also feel like Kenis not, like...
I don't think there's anythingabout Ken that anybody likes.
-I don't think anyone likes Ken.-No. -No, nobody likes Ken.
'Cause he seems like hisparents, like, hooked him up.
You know? Like, he's,like, he doesn't seem...
It doesn't seemlike he worked for it.
You know what I mean?It feels like...
Like, who waxes their chest?Come on, Ken.
-Right. Right, right, right.-You know what I mean?
Who's, like, who's gotthat kind of time?
Ken has perfect hair,perfect teeth.
-Perfect girlfriend.-He waxes. -I don't like him.
-I don't like him, either. Yeah.-ALBANESE: I like that guy.
PARRA: You likeDad Bod McGoo over there.
Yeah, I like the guy...the dad bod guy who looks like
-he makes pickles inWilliamsburg. -Exactly.
I like that guy.
Wendy, would youhave Ken on your show?
-Um... yes.-Mm, that's a great choice.
-WILMORE: Oh.-But just to ask the questions.
Not to be downwith the Ken side.
-Mm-hmm.-I'm not... You know,
-I-I can'tdeal with the Ken doll. -Yeah.
I mean, how did heget along for so long
without... with no genitals?I don't understand that.
-I don't know.-I don't know.
-I just don't get it.-It's a really...
WILMORE: You talk aboutwhite privilege...
-PARRA: You don't even need apenis to get everything in life.
-You don't even need...-That's how easy it is...
That's how easy it isto be a white guy.
You don't even need balls.Just...
That's what the message isto our children, yeah.
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