Panel - Does the Media Perpetuate Violence?

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Wesley Morris, Ricky Velez and Robin Thede examine whether the media bears any responsibility for gun violence in the U.S. (6:42)

Okay, welcome back.I'm here with my panel.

First up, Nightly Show contributor Ricky Velez.

(cheering, applause)

And Nightly Show contributorRobin Thede.

(cheering, applause)

And American journalistand critic at large

for The New York Times, Pulitzer Prize winner

-Wesley Morris.-(cheering, applause)

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Um, so we were talking earlier

about Obama's executive actionon gun control.

But I thought since we have acultu... a cultured critic here,

someone who's actually reviewedmedia and films,

I want to talk about the roleof violence in the media.

-Yeah? -You know, does, uh...is the media causing...

a cause of the violence,or is it just reflecting it?

-For real? -And remember,we're in America.

(laughter)

I mean, people can say that,but there's no...

I don't believe anythingthat can say...

that would saythat the media's responsible

-for people killing people.-Uh-huh.

I'm also sort of interestedin making distinctions

-among gun violence, too.-Uh-huh.

The way in which,you know, you have...

The situation in Chicago, to me,seems like a different...

-cult... like, violent culture,-Mm-hmm.

um, versus...

-the sort of one-off shootings.-Right.

I mean, I think the president

was-was-was smartto mention Chicago

-Yeah.-when we talk about this,

'cause I don't think we...we don't think about Chicago

as being part of this problemwhen we talk about gun reform

-Yeah. -and-and so-calledcultures of violence.

In termsof the entertainment role,

because a lot of peoplein Hollywood get blasted

about coming outfor gun control,

and then you see a moviewhere there's so much blood.

I mean, buckets of blood,

-it's just pouring outeverywhere. -THEDE: Yeah. Yeah.

"We need to do somethingabout guns, man."

Well, you evenjust did get blasted

-for talking about gun control.-I know.

-It's, like, it's so ingrainedin society. -It is ingrained.

It's so ingrained, and I think,I agree... I mean,

I don't think moviesare responsible for it.

-Uh-huh. -I think our culturehas always been violent.

I'm sure they had family funnight at the Roman Colosseum.

You know, like, people...

-WILMORE: It was family fun.-Well, it was family fun.

It was. It was, like, let'sget heads chopped off and cheer!

Like, we've alwaysbeen disgusting and violent.

We just have more toolsto do it.

Well, those are the Romans,though. Come on.

-Well...-(laughter)

I'm sure... I'm sure peoplein other cultures

were doing plentyof other violent things.

But, you know, I think...I think our media reflects--

especially entertainment media--reflects the culture at large.

What about, like, video games?

-'Cause you play a lotof video games, right? -Yeah.

Those video gamesare unbelievably violent now.

But at the same time, like,everybody goes,

"Duh, yeah, they're violent,they make people shoot each..."

No, they don't. They don't.

They don't make peoplego out and shoot.

-Think about, like... Oh.-(applause)

In the same senseof people go out and shoot,

then how comethere's not a bunch of dudes

that just show upto the Jets training camp

being like, "Yo, I play Madden,I'm that good."

(laughter)

-(applause, whooping)-I'm, uh...

-It's ridiculous! -How doyou know that doesn't happen?

it doesn't happen on the field,that's for sure.

I mean, it's ridiculous.

Like, Mortal Kombat--when we were younger,

everybody... Remember in '95when it came out

-Yeah. It was huge. It was huge.-and it had blood in it.

It had blood in it,and if you had the code,

you were the cool kid,and... you played with it.

And you...and it's just, like, people...

My mom had a PTA meetingabout that (bleep).

-Like, people get so upset.-WILMORE: About Mortal Kombat?

Yeah, about,"If you let your kid play that,

-my kid can't play with you."-Really?

And the graphicswere terrible back then, like,

-it was like stick figures!-It didn't even look like blood.

No, it didn't even looklike blood.

Well, kids who playedMortal Kombat in '95

they're fine now,but what about the kids

who now are playing with that?

It's so realistic.I mean, they're reaching in,

pulling people's spines out,the heart's still beating.

You take a little biteout of the heart.

-Ooh, that's kind of...-That's unrealistic.

You don't know what I doon Saturday nights.

Like, you don't know whatI'm doing with my spare time.

Look, I think kids getwhat's real and what's not.

I a six-year-old nephew whoplays video games all the time.

-He's obse... not Call of Duty.-Right.

But he's obsessed with Star Wars and he lightsabers things

-(woman whoops)-and... Yeah, exactly.

And... and we wentto Medieval Times,

-Mm-hmm.-the mecca of all fun.

-And...-(laughter, whooping)

-Wait, you went there?-Oh, I go there regularly.

-Are you kidding me?-Look at the shock on his face.

I go there all the time.Separate conversation.

But yes,I go there all the time.

And-and he saw the knight--spoiler alert--

-he saw a knight getting, youknow, "killed." -Like, gored?

-He doesn't get gored.-There's no blood.

There's no blood,there's nothing...

-Do, like, intestinescome out or anything? -No!

And he goes... he goes, "They'renot really hurt, are they?"

He gets thatwhen they're real humans,

-he doesn't want violenceto happen. -Yeah.

-Hey.-(applause, whooping)

No, I mean, this is...I mean, I think this is

part of the mental illnesspiece of this.

-I mean... -I think... I thinkeverybody just wants to find

another thing to blame it on.

Can we blame it,like, on the (bleep),

like, bad parenting,not being raised the right way?

-Yeah.-Like, that's the-the problem.

-(whooping, applause) -I mean,everybody, like, I mean...

There are any numberof real-world places

-Uh-huh. -to begin to havethis conversation.

I just am uncomfortable

with the one that startswith Quentin Tarantino

-Mm-hmm. -Right. Right.-or, you know, John Ford or...

-I won't start there. -WILMORE:But there are people who...

who have been called copycats,where they copy things

that they've seenon TV shows and movies.

People have donethose types of things.

THEDE: Yes, which is whyI keep getting you guys

to call me Cookie Lyon, and youwon't, and I keep saying it.

-I'm trying to copy her.-People aren't original, Larry.

-That's true.-I mean, people are just born.

They got no better waysto do it.

Wait. Is that an argumentfor or against?

-VELEZ: I mean...-(laughter)

I would just like to...I would just like to see it done

-in different ways, maybe.-Right.

Okay, between The Matrix and John Wick,

how much is Keanu Reevesresponsible for the violence?

-(laughter, whooping)-VELEZ: I mean...

those were his good movies.

His bad movies are what peopleshould be killing people over.

(laughter)

-That's the real problem.-(Wilmore groans)

Ever see him try to cry?

(laughter, applause)

(bleep), it's embarrassing.

THEDE: He'd need some lessonsfrom Obama with black tears.

-Exactly.-Don't even get me started.

I saw the segment earlier--that woman was fabulous.

(laughter)

(cheering, shouts)

I love Bluejasmine.

-I wish she was here.-I do, too.

It's Bluejasmine Steeplechase.I don't know.

Quick secret: I've been sleepingwith Bluejasmine.

(laughter)

WILMORE: I feel like... I feellike this is going down a road

that's very dangerous right now.

We may need them.All right, I don't know

if we'll ever solvethis problem.

We'll be right back.

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