Kathryn Bigelow & Juan Zarate

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Kathryn Bigelow and Juan Zarate discuss their PSA "Last Days," which examines the illegal ivory trade that is endangering elephants and funding terrorists. (6:40)

>> Jon: WELCOME BACK.

MY GUESTS TONIGHT, A FORMERDEPUTY NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR

AND AN ACADEMY AWARD WINNINGDIRECTOR.

THEY ARE HERE TO DISCUSS AP.S.A. CALLED "LAST DAYS."

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(BIRD SOUNDS) PLEASE WELCOME TO THE

PROGRAM KATHRYN BIGELOW AND JUANZARATE!

HELLO!

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HAVE A SEAT!

THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE!

>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING US.

>> Jon: FIRST OF ALL, ANDWE'LL GET TO BOY, THAT FILM HAS,

SHE SHOWED ME THAT A COUPLE OFMONTHS AGO AND THEN IT GOT US

INTERESTED IN DOINGTHIS PIECE.

IT'S PHENOMENAL AND ANINCREDIBLE STORY.

AND WE'LL GET TO THAT IN ASECOND.

THE C.I.A. REPORT DROPPED TODAY.HERE DIRECTED "ZERO DARK 30,"

AS YOU WATCH THAT YOU SEE ALLTHESE REPORTS COME OUT,

THE C.I.A. HAS BEEN LYING ABOUTTHE EFFICACY, THEY LIED ABOUT

HOW MUCH THEY TORTURED.

DOES THIS BLOW YOUR MIND?

DID YOU SEE THIS AND THINK, OH,MY GOD, WERE THEY LYING TO ME?

IS THE WHOLE NARRATIVEDIFFERENT?

>> INTERESTING QUESTION.

I MEAN, I REALLY MADE THE MOVIEBASED ON THE REPORTING THAT WE

DID AT THE TIME.

>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> I MEAN, I APPLAUDTRANSPARENCY IN GOVERNMENT SO I

THINK IT'S GOOD THAT IT'S OUTTHERE.

BUT YOU KNOW, I THINK, IT'SCOMPLICATED.

IT'S VERY, VERY VERYCOMPLICATED.

>> Jon: YEAH, MIND BLOWING, ITELL YEAH.

IT'D BE A GOOD DVD EXTRA.

I'M NOT TRYING TO SELL EXTRACOPIES. I'M JUST SAYING,

YOU KNOW, A COUPLE OF LITTLECOMMENTS IN THERE.

BUT THIS HERE, THIS, YOUKNOW, WHAT MADE YOU WANT TO MAKE

THIS FILM ABOUT THE ELEPHANTTRADE AND HOW DOES JUAN WHO

WORKS IN NATIONAL SECURITY GETINVOLVED IN THIS?

IT'S A MIND-BLOWING STORY.

>> WELL, OVER A YEAR AGO, I CAMEUPON SOME INFORMATION WHERE

ELEPHANT POACHING -- I WASALREADY IN THE ELEPHANT POACHING

SPACE ACTUALLY KIND OFINTERESTED IN MAKING A FEATURE

ABOUT IT -- BUT I REALIZED THEREWAS AN INTERSECTION BETWEEN

ELEPHANT POACHING AND TERRORISM.LIKE WHEN YOU LOOK AT WESTGATE

MALL, WHICH WAS IN THAT LITTLEPIECE THERE THAT ACTUALLY

THERE IS A CONNECTION THERE THATTHE AL-SHABAAB WHO TOOK

RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE WESTGATEMALL WAS FINANCING THEIR

NEFARIOUS ACTS THROUGHELEPHANT POACHING.

I WOULD CALL IT AN ELEPHANTEMERGENCY IN THE SENSE THAT WE

HAVE ABOUT A DECADELEFT OF ELEPHANTS IN THE WILD

AT THE RATE OF SLAUGHTER THAT'SGOING ON RIGHT NOW. AND --

>> Jon: SO THIS HAS PICKEDUP? THIS IS SOMETHING --

THEY HAVE BEEN DOING THIS BUTNOW THAT TERRORISM IS

INVOLVED, THEY'RE TAKEN IT UP ANOTCH?

>> YEAH. YEAH, IT'S ON ANINDUSTRIAL SCALE.

WHAT YOU HAVE WITH WILDLIFETRAFFICKING IS REALLY THE FOURTH

LARGEST ILLICIT FINANCINGNETWORK ECONOMY IN THE WORLD.

>> Jon: IT'S A BLACK ECONOMYNOW. DRUGS, GUNS --

>> BLACK ECONOMY. OVER $23BILLION A YEAR.

>> Jon: AND WILDLIFE.

>> RIGHT. AND IVORY HAS EXPLODEDIN TERMS OF VALUE.

CHINA IS A MAJOR DEMANDER FORTHE PRODUCTS.

>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> CERTAINLY THE U.S. AS WELL.

AND WHAT YOU SEE AS KATHRYN HASPOINTED OUT SO VIVIDLY IN THE

FILM IS THAT THESE GROUPS,AL-SHABAAB MOVEMENT WHICH IS

CONNECTED TO AL QAEDA INSOMALIA.

>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> THE JANJAWEED MILITIARESPONSIBLE FOR A LOT OF

THE ATROCITIES IN DARFUR,THEY'RE IN ON THIS AS WELL.

YOU HAVE AS WELL THE LORD'SRESISTANCE ARMY, KEEP IN MIND,

THEY'RE THE MASSIVEKIDNAPPERS OF CHILDREN

AND THEY HAVE KILLED HUNDREDSOF PEOPLE.

THEY'VE ALL TAPPED INTO THISNETWORK AND TO THIS ECONOMY AND

ARE PROFITING FROMIT. AND SO, THIS IS REALLY

WHERE OUR NATIONALSECURITY MEETS OUR NATURAL

SECURITY AND THAT'S WHY I JOINEDWITH KATHRYN TO HELP HER OUT.

>> Jon: SO THIS IS, AND YOU COMEUP WITH THIS FILM AND IT'S

BEAUTIFULLY DONE AND VERYARTISTICALLY RENDERED,

BUT THERE IS THE CONNECTIONWHERE ALL OF A SUDDEN

YOU THINK, OH, MY GOD, THATLITTLE ELEPHANT I HAVE THAT

I GOT IN THE SOUVENIR SHOP --

>> WELL, RIGHT. WELL IT'S KINDOF --

>> I MEAN, THEY SAID IT WASN'TIVORY BUT MAYBE IT IS IVORY

AND MAYBE THIS IS CONTRIBUTINGTO THIS TRADE.

>> EXACTLY. I MEAN,THIS IS THE SORT OF TERRORISM

THAT YOU CAN DO SOMETHING ABOUTBY NOT BUYING THESE LITTLE

TRINKETS, BY NOT SUPPORTING THISTRADE. YOU KNOW, YOU CAN

ACTUALLY PUT A, YOU KNOW,STOP ON THEIR REVENUE STREAM.

>> Jon: BUT DIDN'T WE DO THAT?

IN THIS COUNTRY, WE MADE THEIVORY TRADE ILLEGAL, YES?

>> YEAH THERE WAS A PERIODBOTH IN THE U.S. AND

INTERNATIONALLY WHERE THEREWAS REALLY A BAN ON IVORY TRADE.

THAT HAS NOW INCREASED AND NOWWITH THE INCREASING WEALTH IN

ASIA, THIS DEMAND HAS PICKED UPAND THESE GROUPS ARE PROFITING.

>> AND ACTUALLY NEW YORK ISTHE SECOND BIGGEST MARKET IN

THE WORLD OUTSIDE OF ASIA.

>> I USED TO LIVE DOWN ON CANALSTREET.

AND THEY SELL THE LITTLE -- IMEAN IT'S AN IVORY ELEPHANT.

THEY ACTUALLY CARVE THE THINGTHAT THEY GOT IT FROM.

>> AND THE TRAGEDY IS THEYACTUALLY CUT THE FACE OFF

OF THE ELEPHANT SOMETIMES WHILETHEY'RE STILL ALIVE TO GET

THE TUSKS OUT.

>> Jon: IT'S HORRIBLE.>> IT'S HORRIBLE.

>> SO, WHAT CAN BE DONE NOW WHENYOU SAY WELL THIS IS SOMETHING

THAT WE CAN DO. I MEAN, WE TRIEDTHAT WITH MILEAGE FOR OUR

CARS BECAUSE THEY WEREALSO USING OIL.

THAT DIDN'T WORK.

>> WELL, ONE ELEPHANT -- THAT'STRUE.

ONE ELEPHANT IS APPROXIMATELYKILLED EVERY 15 MINUTES.

MY HOPE IS WELL WE HAVE THISWEB SITE, THERE ARE A LOT OF

ACTIONS THAT ARE AVAILABLETHERE.

YOU CAN WRITE INTERPOL, YOUCAN WRITE THE U.N., YOU CAN

WRITE THE WHITE HOUSE, YOUCAN WRITE CONGRESSMEN,

THEY'RE ACTUALLY A BIPARTISANCOALITION THAT IS THERE TO

SUPPORT THE ELEPHANTS.>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> SUPPORT LEGISLATION TOPROTECT THE ELEPHANTS.

BUT MY HOPE IS WE COULD PERHAPSCREATE AN ACTIVIST EVERY

15 MINUTES.

>> Jon: WITHIN THE COUNTRIESTHAT THIS IS OCCURRING, IS THERE

A MOVEMENT TO PREVENT THIS OR ISIT BEYOND THEIR SCOPE AND

BEYOND THEIR CONTROL?

>> WELL THE PROBLEM IS THEPOACHERS, THE NETWORKS AND

TERRORISTS ARE OUTGUNNING ANDOUTSPENDING THE GOVERNMENT

AND THAT'S A REAL PROBLEM.>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> BUT THERE'S A RECOGNITION.

YOU KNOW, THE LOSS OF THEELEPHANTS AND THE ENVIRONMENT IS

REALLY A LOSS IN TOURISTREVENUE.

>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> IT'S A LOSS IN THE ABILITY TOHAVE A SUSTAINABLE ECONOMY.

SO THERE'S A RECOGNITION THATTHIS IS A PROBLEM, BUT THESE ARE

GROUPS THAT ARE VIOLENT, THEY'RETRYING TO MAKE A PROFIT AND

THEY'RE TRYING TO KILL NOT JUSTELEPHANTS BUT PEOPLE.

AND THAT'S THE PROBLEM WE'VEGOT.

>> WELL, LIKE THEWESTGATE -- WELL, EXACTLY.

>> Jon: RIGHT. EXACTLY ANDTHAT'S WHAT'S FUNDING THESE

THINGS.

>> SO YOU'RE NOT JUST SAVINGELEPHANTS. EXACTLY.

YOU'RE NOT JUST SAVING ELEPHANT,YOU'RE ACTUALLY SAVING PEOPLE.

AND WE HAVE A DECADE BEFORE THEYWILL BE EXTINCT.

>> Jon: WELL, I HAVE TO SAY,AS A METHOD FOR GETTING IT OUT,

IT'S AN INCREDIBLY POWERFUL WORKAND I REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

>> THANK YOU.

>> Jon: AND THANK YOU FORSHOWING IT TO ME AND

THANK YOU FOR SHARING IT ANDTHANKS FOR BEING AT THE

FOREFRONT OF THIS, AND YOU ASWELL.

>> THANK YOU.

>> Jon: YOU CAN SEE "LAST DAYS."

VISITING THE WEBSITE,"LASTDAYSOFIVORY.COM."

KATHRYN BIGELOW AND JUAN ZARATE.THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING BY.

>> THANK YOU.