[CHEERING AND APPLAUSE]>> Jon: WELCOME BACK.

MY GUEST TONIGHT, SHE WASSECRETARY OF STATE FROM 2009

UNTIL 2013.

HER NEW MEMOIR IS CALLED "HARDCHOICES."

PLEASE WELCOME BACK TO THEPROGRAM SECRETARY HILLARY

CLINTON.

SECRETARY.

NICE TO SEE YOU.

OH, THEY'RE VERY EXCITED.

[CHEERING AND APPLAUSE]HOW ARE YOU?

>> I AM GREAT.

I AM ABSOLUTELY GREAT.

HOW ARE YOU DOING?

>> Jon: I'M DOING VERY WELL.

>> I COULD SEE THAT.

>> Jon: HERE IS THE, HERE ISTHE BOOK THAT YOU HAVE WRITTEN.

THIS IS CALLED "HARD CHOICES."

IT'S CLEARLY YOU'RE, YOU'RE...

>> A LOT OF HARD CHOICES. LOT OFHARD CHOICES.

>> Jon: NOT FOR YOUR EDITOR.

LOOK AT THAT BABY.

>> THE REAL STORY IS THAT IT WASEVEN LONGER.

>> Jon: WAS IT REALLY?

>> OH, YES. AND... WELL,

THERE WAS JUST SO MUCH THATHAPPENED IN THOSE FOUR YEARS.

>> Jon: SURE.

>> AND I WAS TRYING TO EXPLAINIT, KIND OF PULL THE CURTAIN

BACK, SO PEOPLE COULD GETAN IDEA WHAT WE WERE DOING

IN THE WORLD, AND I WROTEMUCH MORE THAN THAT,

IF YOU CAN BELIEVE IT.

SO THIS WAS LIKE TAKE THE WHIPOUT AND TAKE THE SCALPEL AND CUT

IT DOWN.

>> THIS IS, IT'S AN INCREDIBLY,I THINK, COMPLEX AND WELL

REASONED AND EYE WITNESSVIEW TO THE HISTORY OF

THOSE FOUR YEARS.AND I THINK I SPEAK

FOR EVERYBODY WHEN I SAY, NO ONECARES.

THEY JUST WANT TO KNOW IF YOU'RERUNNING FOR PRESIDENT.

[CHEERING AND APPLAUSE]>> WELL, YOU KNOW...

>> Jon: ARE YOU?

ARE YOU RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT?

>> WELL, YOU KNOW, JON, I WASGOING TO MAKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT,

BUT I SAW... I MEAN, YOUKIND OF SPOILED IT FOR ME.

>> Jon: NO, NO, NO.>> NO, I MEAN...

>> Jon: SO THAT'S A YES.

THAT'S YES.

>> THE BIG SPOILER.

SO I'M JUST GOING TO HAVE TORECONSIDER WHERE I GO DO IT.

>> Jon: SURE. THERE WAS A LITTLECONFUSION HERE. YOU KNOW WHAT I

SEE?>> RIGHT.

>> Jon: CAN I TELL YOU WHAT ISENSE?

>> YES. PLEASE, PLEASE DO.>> Jon: A LITTLE CONFUSION.

YOU KNOW, IT TAKES ME BACK TO MYDAYS POST-COLLEGE.

LET ME... YOU KNOW, THERE AREWAYS THAT WE CAN DECIDE WHETHER

OR NOT... I HAVE, IT'S LIKE ACAREER APTITUDE TEST.

AND, IT CAN HELP YOU.

>> THIS IS GOOD.

I'M READY. I'M READY.

>> Jon: SO DO YOU... LET ME JUSTASK YOU, BECAUSE THIS IS GOING

TO HELP YOU SORT OF HONE IN ONIF YOU EVEN WANT TO DO THIS

JOB. LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION:DO YOU LIKE COMMUTING TO WORK OR

DO YOU LIKE A HOME OFFICE?WHAT'S YOUR, UH...

>> NO, I'VE SPENT SO MANY YEARSCOMMUTING, I'D KIND OF PREFER A

HOME OFFICE.

THAT'S WHERE I WROTE MY BOOK.

IT WAS ON THE THIRD FLOOR OF OURHOUSE, SO THAT WORKS.

>> Jon: DO YOU HAVE FAVORITESHAPE FOR THAT HOME OFFICE?

DO YOU LIKE THAT OFFICE, LET'SSAY WOULD YOU LIKE THAT

OFFICE... WOULD YOU LIKE IT TOHAVE CORNERS OR WOULD YOU LIKE

IT NOT TO HAVE CORNERS? I DON'TKNOW.

>> YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THEWORLD IS SO COMPLICATED, THE

FEWER CORNERS THAT YOU CAN HAVE,THE BETTER.

[CHEERING AND APPLAUSE]>> Jon: DO YOU PREFER TO SIT

IN TRAFFIC OR CAUSE IT?

>> I REALLY HATE TO CAUSETRAFFIC, AND SOMETIMES I DO.

AND I DEEPLY REGRET IT.

I'M TELLING THE WORLD RIGHT NOW.

AND WHEN I HAVE OVEREAGER POLICEWHO ARE ACCOMPANYING ME WHO ARE

SO BRAVE AND THEY'RE DOING THEIRBEST JOB, I SOMETIMES HAVE TO

SCROUCH DOWN, GET ON THE FLOOR,I START THIS BOOK TALKING ABOUT

GETTING ON THE FLOOR, HIDING,TRYING TO GO TO A SECRET MEETING

WITH BARACK OBAMA.

THAT HAPPENS TO ME A LOT.

SO, I PREFER NOT TO CAUSETRAFFIC.

>> YOU ACTUALLY TRAVEL LIKE AKID SNEAKING INTO A DRIVE-IN

THEATER? LIKE...

>> YEAH. I TRY TO. YEAH SO,AND,

AND YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES LIKELITTLE DISGUISES SO I CAN LOOK

OUT THE WINDOW BUT NOBODYWILL KNOW IT'S ME.

>> Jon: WELL LET ME ASK YOU AFINAL QUESTION: DO YOU ENJOY

CONSTANT, NON-STOP CRITICISM?

[LAUGHTER]>> ENJOY IS PROBABLY THE WRONG

WORD.

>> Jon: EXPECT?

>> EXPECT, SURVIVE...>> Jon: SURE.

>> LIVE THROUGH.

IT JUST SORT OF COMES WITH THETERRITORY.

>> Jon: IT DOES COME WITH THETERRITORY.

SO, IT SOUNDS TO ME, IF I MAY,YOU'VE DECLARED FOR THE

PRESIDENCY. WHY ELSE? BECAUSE...

[CHEERING AND APPLAUSE]HERE'S THE CRAZY THING. HAVE YOU

BEEN SURPRISED, IF YOU WERENOT I THINK RUNNING FOR

PRESIDENT, ALL OF THISCRITICISM, I TRULY BELIEVE THIS,

THERE'S TWO BOOKS OUT NOWTHAT ARE EXPOSES OF YOU AND

THE FAMILY AND ALL THAT. THEREIS CONSTANT CALLS FOR

TESTIMONY. THERE ARECONSTANT PARSING OF WORDS.

>> YEAH.

IF YOU STOP THAT TOMORROW, IFYOU SAID, I AM NOT RUNNING FOR

PRESIDENT, IT ALL STOPS.

DO YOU AGREE OR DISAGREE?

>> I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE WOULDLOSE THEIR JOBS IF IT ALL

STOPPED. IT SEEMS TO BE...

>> IT WOULD STOP FOR YOU.

THEY'D MOVE ON TO CHRISCHRISTIE OR WHOEVER ELSE.

>> THEY MIGHT.

BUT I'VE BEEN AMAZED AT WHAT ACOTTAGE INDUSTRY IT IS.

AND SO I KIND OF EXPECT IT WOULDCONTINUE.

>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> SO I'M NOT REALLY PAYING ALOT OF ATTENTION.

>> IT'S JUST THESE TALKINGHEADS, SITTING AROUND, PICKING

OUT EVERY LITTLE THINGAND MAKING FUN OF IT.

I MEAN, IT'S JUST, IT'S NOTRIGHT.

[LAUGHTER]>> COULD I, COULD I SAY THAT I

AGREE WITH YOU COMPLETELY.

>> Jon: YEAH, NO...WHAT WAS THE ONE THAT TOOK

YOU MOST OFF GUARD,WAS IT THE WE WERE DEAD BROKE,

WHEN YOU SAID THAT?

>> WELL, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS ANINARTFUL USE OF WORDS,

OBVIOUSLY. >> Jon: RIGHT.

>> YOU KNOW, BILL AND I HAVEWORKED REALLY HARD AND WE'VE

BEEN SUCCESSFUL. I'M REALLYGRATEFUL FOR THAT.

>> Jon: RIGHT. >> BUT WHAT I WORRY ABOUT, AND I

TALK ABOUT THIS IN THE BOOK,IS I'M WORRIED THAT OTHER PEOPLE

AND PARTICULARLY YOUNGERPEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE THE

SAME OPPORTUNITIES WE DID...>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH WECAME FROM, YOU KNOW,

YOU KNOW, GREAT CIRCUMSTANCES INTERMS OF OUR FAMILY LOVING US

AND, YOU KNOW, BILL HAD A MUCHMORE DIFFICULT UPBRINGING THAN

I DID, BUT STILL WE BELIEVEDTHAT WE COULD PRETTY

MUCH MAKE OUR WAY UP THE LADDER.

AND NOW I THINK A LOT OFPARTICULARLY YOUNG PEOPLE DON'T

BELIEVE THAT ANYMORE.

AND THAT BOTHERS ME A LOT.>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> SO I THINK WE HAVE TO PAYATTENTION TO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO

DO.

>> Jon: YOU KNOW WHAT'S KINDOF AWESOME? THAT SAYS TO ME

YOU'RE RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT?HOW EASILY YOU PIVOTED

FROM THAT INTO INCOME INEQUALITYIN AMERICA.

THAT SAYS TO ME YOU'RE RUNNINGFOR PRESIDENT.

BECAUSE OTHERWISE...

>> BUT THINK ABOUT IT.

THINK ABOUT IT.

>> Jon: YEAH.

>> I MEAN, YOU AND I HAVE BEENLUCKY.

I THINK WE'D HAVE TO AGREE.RIGHT? I MEAN...

>> Jon: WELL, I DON'T KNOWABOUT LUCKY.

[LAUGHTER]>> WELL, WE BOTH HAVE WORKED

HARD. WE BOTH HAVE WORKED HARD.

>> Jon: NO, WE HAVE. WE HAVEBEEN, WE HAVE BEEN LUCKY.

>> BUT WE ALSO WERE BORN INTOCIRCUMSTANCES, MAINLY BEING IN

THIS COUNTRY, WHERE WE HAD ALLTHESE OPPORTUNITIES AND WERE

ABLE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THEM.>> Jon: SURE. RIGHT.

SO IN YOUR MIND THOUGH THEN,ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT NO

LONGER EXISTS FOR PEOPLE OR THATWE, THERE IS SOMETHING ABJECTLY

WRONG WITH GOVERNMENT OR THESYSTEM THAT WE NEED TO INFORM?

>> YEAH. I THINK BOTH.

I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'TBELIEVE IT EXISTS FOR THEM

ANYMORE.

AND WE HAVE SIX MILLION YOUNGPEOPLE BETWEEN 16 AND 24 IN OUR

COUNTRY WHO ARE NEITHERIN SCHOOL NOR IN WORK.

THEY'VE KIND OF GIVEN UP.>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> AND THAT'S A TERRIBLEDEVELOPMENT.

AND SO, YEAH, I THINK THATPEOPLE DON'T FEEL IT.

AND I THINK WE HAVE TO CHANGEBOTH OUR ECONOMIC AND OUR

POLITICAL SYSTEMS SO THAT WE CANMAKE IT A REALITY AGAIN.

I THINK THAT'S THE BIG BUSINESS.

>> Jon: WHEN WE COME BACK,WILL YOU TELL US HOW TO DO THAT?

>> SURE.

>> Jon: WE'LL BE RIGHT BACKWITH MORE HILLARY CLINTON RIGHT

AFTER THIS.