Panel - Is Black Lives Matter Anti-Cop?

July 20, 2016 - DeRay Mckesson 07/20/2016 Views: 1,445

Activist DeRay Mckesson, Mike Yard and Holly Walker weigh in on the charge that the Black Lives Matter movement is fueled by a hatred for police officers. (6:02)

Welcome back.I'm here with my panel.

First up, Nightly Show contributor Mike Yard.

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And Nightly Show contributorHolly Walker.

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And fresh out of jail for doingthe right thing in Baton Rouge,

welcome back Black Lives Matteractivist DeRay Mckesson.

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Okay, so, fueledby the recent police shootings

in Baton Rouge and Dallas,

Black Lives Matterversus Blue Lives Matter

has been, like, a hot topic,

especially at the RNC conventionthis past week.

Check outMilwaukee County sheriff

David Clarke weighing in.

What is your message?

My message has been clearfrom day one two years ago.

This anti-cop sentiment

from this hateful ideologycalled Black Lives Matter

has fueled this rage againstthe American police officer.

Blue lives matter in America!

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Okay, DeRay,

you know a little somethingabout Black Lives Matter.

-Um, why got to be so anti-cop?-(laughter)

You know... you know,the movement is pro-justice.

-Mm-hmm.-And we believe

that police officersshould be held accountable

-in every city and every stateacross the country. -Mm-hmm.

So, it is not anti-cop,but it is pro-justice,

making sure that allpublic servants are accountable

to the law at all steps.

Why do you think it's so easyfor people to believe this?

There are people who alwaysbenefit from the status quo,

and Sheriff Clarkeis a great example.

And there's so many peoplewho want to defame the movement

because they don't want to live

in a worldthat's equitable and just,

and you knowthere are so many people

who are afraidto talk about racism.

It's a weird thingbecause I think

that we have all beenkind of conditioned

to believethat black equals bad.

Like, even in our language,

when we say, like, "blackmail"

or "black cat" or "black list."

-WILMORE: Mm-hmm.-Or...

Like, it just... it's...

That's the way we're positionedto think, you know.

YARD:Plus, that's

the go-to position anyway.

I mean, they did it with all...

The Civil Rights movement,they did the same thing.

-Mm-hmm. -You know, andit's not hard to demonize us.

Have you watched the newsin America?

Every channel...ever news channel you watch

is black peopledoing bad (bleep).

They got black peopledoing bad (bleep)

in statesthat there are no black people.

-(laughter, applause)-MCKESSON: I know, I know.

Really? A brother robbed a bankin North Dakota?

-WALKER: Right, right.-I know. -Come on.

I saw one Native American dude,and he was getting arrested.

-So... that's where we're at.-Right. Yeah.

Um, now, there's been a lotof criticism for the movement

for a lot of whatI'll call bad actors.

The, uh, peoplewho are protesting,

saying things like, "Pigs ina blanket, fry 'em like bacon,"

and that type of thing-- do youthink that's hurt the movement,

-or is that overplaying?-See, the reality is that, uh,

there's no charged rhetoricthat matches the violence

-that the police have inflictedon communities. -Right.

-(whooping, applause)-So we can...

So the movement is growingin its tactics, in its chants,

and the way it approaches theproblems, and it should grow,

but it's important to knowthat we are up against

a police force in this countrythat continues to kill people.

Nearly three peopleevery day this year

-have been killed by the police.-But are you frustrated

by the lack of wider empathyfor the movement?

Do you thinkthose types of things

hurts empathy for the movementwhen that happens?

-Especially... the reasonwhy I say it is because -Yeah.

when you see police shot,and then those images

are played against each other,I think it's hard

for a lot of people to haveempathy for the movement.

Let's be real, man,we all got people in our lives

-that you can't take nowhere.Come on! -Right. That's true.

-Yes! That's real. -That's true.-We all got that friend.

Every time you go out with himyou got to be like,

"Yo, chill! What the (bleep)is wrong with you?"

Why are you bringing up gunsin a supermarket?

Exactly! We all...

Well, I don't knowif we all got those friends.

I grew up with a couple of them.

-WALKER: Yeah.-I mean, let's be real...

Plus "Pigs in a blanket,fry 'em like bacon"

doesn't even rhyme, for one.

-(laughter)-And... "pigs in a blanket"

is sausage and not bacon.

-(laughter) -And...-Man, you went deep.

-Lord! Time out. -No, seriously.And you can't trust...

you can't trust peoplewho can't get their breakfast...

-Uh-huh.-you know, meats... straight.

They can't keep 'em straight.

Holly went right forthe breakfast meat analogy.

Exactly. I am seriousabout my breakfast meats.

I feel your love.She likes some breakfast, boy.

You got to keepyour breakfast meats straight.

-WILMORE: All right...-I'm sorry, I...

-You know? -I didn't mess withyour breakfast meats, Holly.

Don't be messin'with my breakfast meats.

It's not like it's Snausagesor something like that.

-YARD: Snausage! -Uh,do you think there's an issue

just with the nameBlack Lives Matter?

Why do people havesuch an issue with that name?

Was there ever a thought ofcalling it Black Lives Matter 2?

The reality is that the is the truth.

And we shouldn't haveto change the truth

-to make people comfortable.-Yeah, I know, yeah.

-And that's real.-Right.

-(whooping, applause)-YARD: Plus...

plus, at this point,at this point if you claim

that you don't understandwhat Black Lives Matter means,

then eitheryou're willfully ignorant,

you got a problemprocessing information,

or you're justa plain (bleep) racist.

-Either way, get out of the way.-We got all of them.

-Get out of the way.-We're all of...

-All of the above.-All of the above.

Is there any way--how do you structurally

get rid of systemic racism?

Is there any way to structurallyget rid of that, or is this...

do you thinkit's more of a long-term....

just, like,some (bleep) got to die off.

So, we can changelaws and structures in ways...

There are laws, you think,that can help...

We can totally do it.So you think about, like,

a national Use of Force policy--you know, just with Obama,

President Obama forfour and a half hours last week,

and we talked abouta national Use of Force policy

and all these thingsthat structurally can...

Those things can be implementedon a national scale?

They can be implementedon a national level

and at the localand state level,

-Mm-hmm.-which would be really powerful.

But there's also about havinga broader conception

of safety, right? If I ask youwhere you feel the most safe,

-it's probably not in a roomfull of police. -Mm.

It's probably wherethere's people who love you

or there's food and shelter--and then the question for us

-becomes, how do we scale that,you know? -Mm-hmm.

And that'sa deeper understanding

-of what safety looks like.-Yeah.

But also, I think a good startwould be more transparency

when you investigatethese situations.

You know, how arewe gonna believe in you

-if we don't believe you.-Right. -(applause)

I agree.All right, we'll be right back.

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