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"Tomi" host Tomi Lahren explains why she supports Donald Trump, weighs in on Black Lives Matter and clarifies her stance on Colin Kaepernick's national anthem protest. (26:05)

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Please welcome Tomi Lahren.

-♪ -(cheering, applause)

Thanks. Thank you.

I'm in the lion's den, Trevor.

I am not a lion at all.

Is that, like, an African thing?No. Um, welcome to the show.

Be-Before we get into it,uh, I-I know who you are,

because I-I...my Facebook feed has you in it.

Uh, there are a lot of peoplewho don't, so if you don't

know Tomi Lahren, this isa little taste of her show.

The protesters are still out inforce, but let's be honest--

they're not protesters, they'recrybabies with nothing better

to do than meanderaround the streets

with their participationtrophies and false sense

of purpose.This isn't for Hillary.

I'm not even surethis is against Trump.

It's the same thing we've seentime and time again

with these so-calledprotesters and demonstrators.

It started withthe Occupy Wall Street brats,

moved on to the more militantand overtly aggressive

Black Lives Matter more crowd,

cycled through the DNC-paidviolence instigators

and now here we are,November of 2016,

with president-electDonald Trump and a crowd

of misfit babies formed fromevery failed movement,

all sandwiched togetherto become the largest group

of whiners the countryhas ever seen.

-All right... -Pretty muchcovers it, doesn't it, Trevor?

Quick question--like, why are you so angry?

I'm actually not that angry.It's just there's things

that need to be said, Trevor,-and a lot of people

-are afraid to say 'em.-In an...

in an angry way. I mean,you can't say you're not angry

and, I mean, this is-this iswhat you're known for.

It's a strange thing to say--"I'm not angry"--

but that is the one thing...It's like Ellen saying,

"I don't like dancing."It's like, yeah, you do, Ellen.

You do. You-you are angryabout everything, it seems.

Some of these people just needto be called on their (bleep).

-You know? I mean, when...-What-what... But when you say

"your (bleep),"what in particular?

-Well, when you're... -'Causethis is the-this is the thing--

protesting a, you know,fair and free election...

that, to me, you-you're gonnaget called on your (bleep)

a little bit. It's timeto clear the streets, it's time

to accept reality,it's time to move on,

time to make America greatagain. That's all I'm saying.

What-what does... what does thatmean-- make America great again?

'Cause this is interestingto -me. -All right.

You say "make Americagreat again" now.

During the campaign, when DonaldTrump had Pussygate, right?

You specificallytweeted out on that day,

-"I support Mike Pence."-I do.

And we knew-and we knew that wasin relation to Donald Trump

and what he had done.There was a-a rift that was seen

in the party. You said"I support Mike Pence."

You didn't say"I support Donald Trump."

What I did is sayI support my candidate,

I support his vice president.That is more of calming way

-for me to address theNever Trumpers. -You didn't say

you support your candidate,you said you support

Mike-Mike Pence. Now, I go,honestly, from your side,

as a-as a person--I know you were pro-Trump

and then you went backand you-you came back and...

Here-Here's my question to you--just... it's like trying to find

-some form of common groundhere. You're going... -Okay.

Do you genuinely feel like...Remove Hillary out of it,

'cause it's not one of thosequestions where a person

needs to pivot. Justas Donald Trump-- what did

that moment mean to you,hearing the things he said

about how he makes moveson women and so on?

You know, I did an entire FinalThoughts on that, and I was

very clear. Now,at that time, it was between

Hillary and Donald,so I'm comparing Donald Trump

to Hillary Clinton,not the pope and not God.

So, for me, what he said,though I found it inappropriate

and, uh, quite frankly,

I was kind of,not so much surprised,

but it was not a good dayfor Trump supporters.

It didn't look good, it didn'tsound good, it's not defensible.

But I'm still comparing someonewho said some nasty things

to a woman that has done nastythings. And I don't think

what he said had an impacton his governance whatsoever.

It's not good things we want tohear, but at the end of the day,

did that impact my taxes?That doesn't impact immigration,

national security. It doesn't,so I can get past it.

It may impact the way womenare perceived and treated

in the country. It may impactthe way women are looked at

in a country wherealready you're dealing with

a lot of issues. I mean...

You mean, like, Saudi Arabia,which Hillary Clinton

-took money from?-You don't need to go far

when you're in a country whereevery single day women are being

beaten and raped. You're goingfar when you have issues

in your own country. And when apresident says things like that,

I would-I would assume--maybe, maybe I'm not seeing it

from your point of view--I would assume that you would

at least be able to see that.You say you call people out

on their (bleep).Isn't that a situation

-where that was (bleep)?-It was. It wasn't defensible,

though. What he said--I'm not defending what he said.

I'm saying that words,to me, are far less egregious

than actions. And when I talkabout actions,

some of the positive actionsof Donald Trump that few people

have failed... you know, theyfail to recognize-- the liberals

fail to recognize the fact thaton his construction projects,

female project managers.Kellyanne Conway--

now, we're talking aboutglass ceilings.

First successfulcampaign manager, female.

Why are the liberalsnot talking about that?

This is a kick-ass woman,but no one wants to give her

that credit becauseshe's a conservative.

Well, we don't want to givecredit to a person

for kicking ass for somebody whowe have shown--

you want to talk aboutconstruction-- a person who has

stolen jobs from peopleby screwing them out the money

that they deserve. I mean,let's-let's not make it

-a Trump thing. Let's talkabout... -(cheering, applause)

Let's talk aboutthe show, as a whole.

Because it's an interestingconversation that we have

these days. We go,"People and their bubbles."

-that's what fascinates meabout your show. -Okay.

You did a piece on Kaepernickthat was huge, you know?

Where you railed on Kaepernick

about not standingduring the national anthem.

Uh, you do pieces onBlack Lives Matter that go huge.

I mean, millions of peoplewatch this.

So you-you agreeyou have a voice

and you understand that peopleare looking to you, yes?

Yes, I do. Very proud of that.

I-I would love to knowwhat you inten...

like, what you thinkyour purpose is

or what you're trying to do.

There is a segment ofthis country between the coasts

that is largely ignored.

The flyover states, if you will.

A state that I'm from,being South Dakota.

I mean, I don't think we'd evenbe talking about the Dakotas

at all if it weren'tfor the pipeline, to be honest.

There is an entire segmentof Americans out there

that are ignored by the coasts,

and then everyoneis concentrated in those areas.

They are the important areas.

And then there's a sectionof the country in the middle,

which Donald Trump was able towin, quite handily, by the way,

-that felt ignoredby the coasts, -Yeah.

felt ignoredby the mainstream media,

felt ignored by the liberals andthe conservatives alike in D.C.

I want to give voiceto those people,

those people that may be tooafraid to voice it themselves,

people that would be afraidof being labeled into silence.

Because you can call mewhatever the hell you want,

-I won't back down.-When you say people are afraid,

I mean, they don't seem afraid.

Their actions don't, uh, youknow, conjure up the word "fear"

when you see what-what...how they're reacting to the win.

Um, I will say this--this is interesting--

you say it's about those peoplewho didn't have a voice,

it's about the peopleand that...

and yet they're railingagainst the people in D.C.

But D.C., for a long time,has been controlled

by the Republicans, Republicanswho made sure that government

didn't move for so long thatthe people got even angrier.

But I've never heardyou call that out,

and I feellike everyone can see that.

Or is that sometimemaybe I'm not seeing

-from the bubble? -No,I actually call it out often.

That's why I was a supporterof Donald Trump,

because I do think we needan outsider.

The Republicans need itjust as much as anyone else.

We need a shake-up.We need someone to come in

from the outside,someone that hasn't been

so heavily influenced by D.C.and a political culture

and a political future,to come in and shake everyone,

shake the cobwebsoff everything,

maybe turn it on its head.

Well, now what he's doneis he's taken those cobwebs

and started to make the WhiteHouse out of it, it seems.

There are some...I mean, you have to have...

you... There are a placefor everyone.

But you've got someoneat the head that says,

"I'm not gonna take any BS.

"I'm not beholden to anyonein D.C.

-You're-you're..." -Becausehe's beholden to people in India

-and Russia and China. Butcarry on. -Yeah. Being a b...

being a businessman, that'ssomething that's frustrating.

Being a businessman andhaving assets in other places

around the world, that's notsomething we should discourage.

That's capitalism.That's a free marketplace.

-It's important. -But thisis the same guy who's going

against globalization.It's strange to say

that we shouldn't be againstpeople who are doing business

in the world but atthe same man is saying business

-shouldn't be done in the world.-Make it impossible to do so.

He said thaton countless occasions.

Trevor, he said it.He said, "You know what, I,

"as a businessman,I took advantage of it.

Make it impossible for me to doso. Bring the jobs back."

We already saw it with Carrier.He's already making moves.

He's not even in there yet. Youknow, what was Obama able to do,

ramrod Obamacare?And look at how fantastically

-that's turning out. -AndDonald Trump is the same person

-who's going to keep Obamacare,because he showed -No, no.

-that he can't get rid of it.-No. He's going to amend it.

You cannot... you cannot amendObam... Which part of Obamacare

can you amend? What are yougonna do, you're gonna get rid

of high premiums?What are you gonna get rid of?

A government mandatewould be a fantastic one.

And then where do you move tofrom there?

How do you still keep Obamacarein the states that it's in?

How do you still keepthe system working?

The way that this was set upwas to move us to single payer.

Now, make no mistake,that was the goal.

Obamacare was destined to fail,and it was structured

so that it would fail so thatwe could move to single payer.

And so, luckily,we have a president, Trump,

that's gonna stop thatfrom happening.

You know, this isa difficult position to be in

for Donald Trumpand for any Republican,

because repeal and replace isgonna be incredibly difficult.

I'm the first personto say that.

It was intended to be that way,

because then the Republicanscome in, they repeal it,

and then people are left outin the cold.

-And then guess who'sthe bad guys. -That's true.

The Republicans. So we're gonnahave to do something.

We're in a tough spot. I thinkwe're gonna take it on though.

And I think we're gonna do it,whether we're gonna amend it,

whether we are gonna be able toimmediately repeal and replace--

that remains to be seen. Theman's not even in office yet.

But I like where it's headed,and I think he's levelheaded.

I think he's reasonable.Whereas many Republicans

-may not have beenas reasonable. -(laughter)

-You think Trump is reasonableand levelheaded? -I do think

he's reasonable. I do.

-Do you have Twitter?-Yeah, I do have Twitter.

-I do have Twitter. -I, um...-(cheering and applause)

Let's-let's move offDonald Trump for a bit.

-So, you consider yourselfa conservative. -I do.

-Okay. -I mean, a millennial,so I don't really like labels.

-But, yes, I'm conservativein thought. -Sorry, my brain...

You just gave a labelto say you don't like labels.

-But, anyway, um...-We exist on a spectrum, Trevor.

I mean, you're... Would youconsider yourself a liberal?

That was just... that wasjust funny. That was just funny.

-It was just a funny moment.Um... -I'm a millennial.

-We can surprise you.-It's just... it's just funny.

Um, in termsof Black Lives Matter,

like, you know,you have quite a record...

For somebody who is not racist,

you have to spend a lot of timesaying, "I'm not racist."

Uh... what is your biggest issuewith Black Lives Matter?

I think-- and I've said thismany times--

it started with good intentions.

I think it was.It was well-intentioned.

The moment thatthey started pushing "hands up,

don't shoot"--which is a false narrative,

proven time and time againto be a false narrative--

the minute that that becametheir slogan,

the minute that protestingturned into rioting and looting

and burningand militant actions,

that's when I lost respectfor Black Lives Matter.

Okay, but, now, here's my thing.

Let's address eachof these things one by one.

When you go, protesting, turninginto rioting and looting,

that's not a Black Lives Matterphenomenon.

That is what happens when thereis a protest a lot of the time.

There are peoplewho rioted and looted

when teams won in Chicagoyears ago.

It doesn't meanthat they are now bad people.

That's what happens...

There are some bad peoplein every instance.

Going backto Black Lives Matter, though,

for you to say that... You saythey have good intentions,

they had the good intentions.

How are you labeling outthe actions of a few

and condemning an entire group?I don't understand that.

Because they subscribe to theBlack Lives Matter movement.

They say, we arethe Black Lives Matter movement,

fry 'em like bacon,"F" the police.

They are saying those things.

These are a few people.These are a few people.

This is notthe Black Lives Matter pro...

-These are... these are... -Thatis not the platform, though.

I saw it in my...my city of Dallas.

I saw what a Black Lives Matterprotest looked like.

And I saw five fallen officersbecause of it.

-So I've seen... -That's notfair and that's true.

-That's-that's not... -No, no,no, no, no, it is fair, Trevor,

because the shooter said,point blank shooter said,

he's doing thisbecause of Black Lives Matter.

Yes, and there are many thingsyou can say.

I mean, if you go outside,

you can say anything about doingsomething because of...

You cannot deny that the manhad mental issues, as well,

and he was in a tough place.

Just because you say the thingdoesn't mean

it's what it stands for, right?

Do you feel emboldened?

Becauseyou're the same person...

You're the same personwho argued on your show

that just because Donald Trumphas supporters from the KKK

doesn't mean he's in the KKK,

so, it goesagainst that argument.

He didn't say...he didn't say... No. No.

-(applause and cheering)-It goes against that.

You can't sayhe did it because of.

No, but, he, the shooter said,"I am..."

Yes, but Black Lives Matter hasnever said

go out and shoot people.

I'm saying, you're saying thisto your audience,

and I honestly do not understandwhere you're getting that from.

Just because a person...

What if somebody says, "I feltemboldened by Tomi Lahren,

and so I went out,and I shot black people."?

Are you now responsible?Is that your black...?

But it's not one... Trevor,it's not one or two people.

-If you look at it...-How many people is it?

If you look at it in every city,

-look at the protests that havegone on. -How many people is it?

In Baltimore, in Ferguson,in New York City,

the protests that have nowturned to anti-Trump protests.

-These are not a few people.-Okay.

-This is mass crowds of people.-Okay.

-They're doing this in the nameof Michael Brown. -Okay.

They're doing thisin the name of Freddie Gray.

They're doing it as the frontof Black Lives Matter,

and the mainstream mediais emboldening these people.

Okay, so then let's usethat same logic

that you're using then,and then go, police.

Are the police racist?Because police in many cities...

You look at Baltimore,

or you lookat what happened in New York.

You look at what happenedin the case of Walter Scott.

You tell me,are police racist?

Because they've been shown toharass black people unfairly.

They've been shownto shoot black people

when they're unarmed. Does thatmean the police are racist then?

Because that's the same logicyou're using.

-It's really not, though,Trevor, because... -It is.

...the mainstream media is notemboldening them as a group.

-(audience groaning and booing)-It's not. And did you know

that a black man is 18.5 timesmore likely

to shoot a police officerthan a police officer is

to shoot a black man?Those are the statistics

-no one wants to talk about.-(loud booing and groaning)

Here's the thing.

Let's move on to, like,the mainstream media.

-Let's do it.-Because this is interesting.

-You realize you are themainstream media. -No, I'm not.

No, no, no. Donald Trumphas won, so now, alt...

That doesn't make us mainstream.

No, no, no.Alt Right now becomes...

-It's not alt anything now,right? -Alt Right...

Okay, I reject that.I reject Trump supporters

and good Americans acrossthis country that voted

for Donald Trump being labeledas "the Alt Right,"

or that we're somehowin a basket of deplorables.

I didn't say they were. I didn'tsay that. I'm saying...

I'm saying they were...they are Alt Right.

The Alt Rightcalled themselves Alt Right.

I'm not calling them that.That's the name they gave...

I'm talking about Alt Rightspecifically, right?

Okay, they're not,but you have to separate those

from Trump supporters at large,because that is not...

-Trump supporters at large arenot the Alt Right. -That's fine.

That's fine. We're talking aboutthe Alt Right specifically.

-Okay.-All right?

They are now partof the mainstream.

Their candidate,who they've supported, has won.

All right? The same thing goesfor what you say.

You are not... If you're notmainstream media...

You have millions of views.

You have to accept,at some point,

that you are surpassingwhat was seen

to be a gatethat was preventing this.

Because if you have70 million views on your video,

is that not mainstream?

It's mainstreamin that it's being watched.

It's not mainstreamin classification.

MAN:Why?

-I'm still existing...-(laughter) -But it's...

-Mainstream to me is...-But it's changing.

-As you said, you're amillennial. -It is changing.

As millennials, we don't evenwatch TV the same way.

So, in essence,

you are the mainstream mediaof Facebook now.

Oh, Facebook sure.Of social media.

Of going outside of whattraditional media has been, yes.

I am becoming more mainstream.

But there is still plenty oflegacy media that is attached,

and I was able to go beyondthat, onto social media,

and go directly to my viewers,

and have a voice directlyto those folks.

So, let me ask you this then.

If you say, as you saidwhen you walked out,

"I'm not as meanas people think I am,

I'm not the personthat people think I am,"

what do you wish people wouldunderstand about you

that are in another bubble?

What do you wish people wouldunderstand about you

on the other side?

I wish that we could disagreewith each other

without thinking that we are badpeople or ill-intentioned folks.

So, because I criticizea black person

or I criticize the Black LivesMatter movement,

that doesn't meanthat I am anti-black.

It does not mean

that I don't like black people,or that I'm a racist.

It meansI'm criticizing a movement.

I criticize Colin Kaepernick.

That doesn't meanthat I don't believe

in his First Amendment rights.

It means that I believein my First Amendment rights

to criticize him.

So it doesn't make mea bad person,

it doesn't make me a racistto point out...

I mean, I've never usedracial slurs to address people.

I've never looked downon someone

because of their skin color.

To me, true diversityis diversity of thought,

not diversity of color.I don't see color.

-(loud booing and groaning)-I go after Hillary Clinton,

and she's as white as they come.

You don't...you don't see color?

So, what do you doat a traffic light? Um...

-(laughter, applause & cheering)-I don't believe in that at all,

when people say that.

There's nothing wrongwith seeing color.

It's how you treat colorthat's more important.

-You're right. It is.-Here's my thing.

Like, all these pointsthat you make are great,

and I do believethat you believe them.

And I don't believeanyone is actively trying...

There are a few people

But when I lookat what you're saying,

you say you're not pushinga racist narrative,

you're not...you're criticizing.

Do you really believeyou're criticizing

and you're not mal-intentionedwhen you say things like

Black Lives Matteris the new KKK?

Because you realize Black LivesMatter can't be the new KKK,

the KKK is still around.

-They have not vacatedtheir premises, -(clears throat)

-(applause)-and most importantly,

to say Black Lives Matteris the new KKK is, like,

to really, really minimizewhat the KKK did

and what they stand for--that is not the same thing.

Surely you understandthe incendiary, like...

-But... -feeling of yourcomments. You know that, surely.

It's controversial, butI think there are some things

that need to be said, and whenthe Black Lives Matter movement

is going out with signs saying,"Fry 'em like bacon,

F the police,"when they're going out saying

if you see a white person,target them...

That is happening, Trevor.

That happened in Milwaukeenot too long ago.

That is happening. So whenthat now becomes the narrative

and you're starting to loot,burn and riot,

-what did the KKK do?-That is not...

Look, we'll go aroundin circles...

Did you say,"What did the KKK do?"

No. What did they do?When you're saying...

-(laughter) -Wow.-Listen, listen... Trevor...

-Wow.-Trevor, when you're saying...

when there are peoplein the street saying

if you see a white person,beat their ass...

does that not sound reminiscentof the KKK

-or their motives to you?-Is that the narrative

of Black Lives Matter,or are there people

who are saying that withina crowd of other human beings?

There is a distinction betweena movement and the people.

That is somethingthat we keep coming back to.

But let's go backto what you were saying

on Colin Kaepernickand the National Anthem.

This is somethingI don't understand,

and I...when I watch your videos,

I go...I truly do not understand.

You say... Colin Kaepernickis exercising

his First Amendment rights,and you are exercising

your First Amendment rightsin criticizing him.

-Mm-hmm.-So what you're saying is...

"You have the right to sayanything you want, so shut up."

No. Not at all.

I'm saying I don't agreewith what he did.

-Yes. -I think thathe went about it the wrong way.

-I don't think he understands...-What is the right way?

When people say that,I'm always fascinated.

What is the right way? So,here's a black man in America

who says, I don't knowhow to get a message across.

If I march in the streets,people say I'm a thug,

if I go out and I protest,people say that it's a riot,

if I bend down on one knee, thenit's... What is the right way?

That is somethingI've always wanted to know.

What is the right wayfor a black person

-(applause, cheering)-to get attention in America?

Taking it out...

Trevor...

taking it out on our flagand our National Anthem,

-to me...-But how?

Why would you take out

your perceived oppressionof black people

out on the National Anthemand our flag?

A country that you live in,a country that you benefit from,

a country that peopleof all races have died for,

have died to protect,have died for the vote,

died to be enfranchisedby this nation,

how do you then goand disrespect the flag

and the anthem of that country?

-Why is that the outlet?-Well, maybe you're a person

who's livedand read through history,

and you realize that a lotof those people of every color

who died for this country, someof them didn't have the rights

that their fellow servicemen had

when they came back to thecountry after fighting for it.

And that flag means a lotto those folks, too.

Maybe you're oneof those people who realizes

that the penal system in Americawas designed

to oppress black people, it wasdesigned to enslave people,

it is a relic of slavery.

Maybe you'reone of those people.

So what I don't understand is,a guy is kneeling in the corner,

I don't understandwhy that offends you so much.

It's not even likehe's trying to sing over you.

If he was doing that, he's like,♪ O say...

O say can me see!No. He's singing...

He's not... he's not doinganything that affects you.

I don't understandwhy it gets to you.

I genuinely don't.He's in a corner,

kneeling by himself-- whydoes that offend you so much?

For me, I know whatthat flag means to me,

I know what that flag meansto those that are fighting

for our country right now-- it'sbigger than a piece of cloth.

It's a symbol of patriotism.

Our National Anthem has meanta lot to a lot of people,

it's got a lot of peoplethrough very hard times,

and this country,it's got its scars,

it's got its wounds,it's got its history,

but I still believeit's the greatest nation

on the face of the Earth,and I believe

if you live in this country,you can want to better it,

but to disrespectour flag and our anthem,

in that way,and that be your outlet

to get outwhatever aggression you have,

whether it be passiveor active aggression,

I disagree with it.

And so he has every rightto do it--

that's hisFirst Amendment rights,

and I agree with his FirstAmendment right to do it--

I don't agree with what he did.

So because I don't agreewith what he did,

then now I should shut up?Because I'm white?

So I should shut up?I shouldn't be able to talk

about black issues'cause I'm white?

No one brought up whites at all.

I never said that.I don't see color.

-I...-(laughter)

I don't think thatthat's what the argument is.

What I'm saying is...I asked you one question,

and that is:How should a black person

bring up their grievances?

That's all I ask. How?

If that's not the right way,if marching isn't the right way,

what is the right way?

When you talk...What he said was,

he is protestingthe anthem and the flag

because of the oppressionof black people

-in this country.-Yes.

I would like himto further explain

what he's talking aboutwhen he's discussing

-the black oppressionin this country. -Which he has.

Also, is it against police?Is it against the government?

I'm not sure what oppressionhe's discussing.

I would loveto have him come on my show

and discuss it with me.

To me, when you make the flagand you make the anthem

the outlet for your anger,

or the outlet through whichyou're going to protest

your country that you live in,you reside in,

that you take$19 million a year from,

I don't think that that is thecorrect outlet for your anger.

So, what is he protesting?

Again, you haven't answeredmy question of how...

-how you want black people...-So...

I'm just asking how.And I'm asking you...

honestly, I'm not sayingin a challenging way--

I'm saying to you,I don't know the answer

apart from these methods,so I would like to know

if you've ever thought of a how.

Because you're the first personI've met who's said this.

I've seen this message online.

I'm not labeling youas "the bad person."

I just want to know ifyou've ever thought of the how.

That's all I want to know.

For me, I think there are a lotof folks in this country,

I, being a woman, um, I didn'thave rights after black people,

until womengot the right to vote,

but because I feel likeI'm a woman,

and I'm marginalizedin some way,

I don't protest my country.

I don't seewhat he's protesting.

-I would like to know exactlywhat he is protesting. -So...

-It's a very...-So how do you-- No, no.

-How do you protest, then?That's what... -I don't protest.

Because I'm not a victim.

I don't-- I choose notto victimize myself.

I choose not to make myselfthe victim.

-That's the difference.-Protesting is not only for...

Okay. Look, let's...

Last-- this is the last questionI'll ask you on-on this.

Um, you often say a phrase,which-which I,

I'm really intrigued by,maybe it's because it, it, uh,

it appeals to me.It's a phrase where you say,

whenever you talk aboutimmigrants on the show.

You know,immigrants who maybe complain,

or any situation like that,you say,

immigrants,you should be grateful.

Refugees,you should be grateful.

Anyone, you should be grateful

that this countrybrought you in.

You could be out therein a country

where they would be choppingyour head off, or killing you.

You should be gratefulthat you're in this country.

Now, am I correctin understanding

that what you're saying is,

a person who would have a worsetime outside of America

does not have the rightto complain

about having a bad timein America?

Are you talking aboutthe terrorists

who ran people overin Ohio State?

Is that what we're discussing?

-My most recent final thoughts.-That's one of them.

That he should be lucky to bea refugee in this country?

Any time that youare able to come

into theUnited States of America,

'cause there are thousandsthat are trying,

you should respect the nation

that has brought you inso graciously.

I-I do believe that.I do believe it's a privilege

-to live in the United States.-Yeah. And, and...

Now, that's a different thing,because this is somebody

who has committedan act of terror.

And-and that's a differentconversation altogether,

which, I feel like wecould go on forever.

But what I'm saying isthose immigrants,

do you feel that they havethe right, once they've--

Maybe they were refugees,but they've become citizens

Do they have the rightto complain?

-Not terrorists.-Yeah. If you respect the law.

If you come in legally,you respect our law.

You respect our way of life.

You respect human decency.

Uh, in the case of theterrorist, clearly not.

Then, absolutely, but you don'tcome in here illegally.

You don't come into our countryas-as a refugee,

or as an illegal immigrant,and then believe

that you no longer haveto respect our laws.

You come in andmake your own rules.

That's not how this thing works.

Well, that's not whatthey're doing, but...

Well, when, uh, by cominginto the country illegally,

you are not respecting our laws.

-Is that... ?-No.

When seekinga path to citizenship,

we-- many countriesaround the world,

I mean, America is a nationof immigrants,

so the first settlers werebreaking the laws of the land,

quote, unquote,and that is why they said,

bring me your tired,bring me your sick,

-bring me your hungry.-Do you think that a,

-That is, that is... -Do youthink a sovereign nation...

-No, no, no. I understand. -No.I'm asking you. -(applause)

Do you think a sovereign nationneeds to have borders?

I think every sovereign nationhas created borders,

and we have done thatfor a reason.

Doesn't mean that no immigrantsshould come into a country.

-And we know that immigrantsdo jobs -No, I'm not...

that Americansare not willing to do.

What they do is they actuallyprop up the middle class.

-They-they lift it higher. -Thisis what I'm asking you, Trevor.

What do you sayto a legal immigrant

that's paidthousands of dollars,

that has waited in line to comeinto this country legally?

What do you say to that person

that has waited for theirAmerican dream,

and they see someone cuttingin front of them,

and getting a pass.

What do you say to those folks?

It's not a line. It's not likethey're cutting in front.

-No, no. They are. They are.-This is not Taco Bell.

-It's-it's immigration.-When they say, when they say...

No. No. Answer me that, though.

What do you sayto legal immigrants

that have waited so long to bea part of the American dream,

and they've done it the rightway, what do you say to them

when Obama grants amnestyfor five million,

and let's them come in,though they've broken the law.

Gets Dream Act

for those that wantto attend universities here.

What do you say to thosethat did it the right way?

-They were pa-patient.-You say, you say to them

welcome to America, the greatestcountry in the world,

where anyone from anywherecan come here and achieve

what they achieve if they settheir dreams to it.

-But they waited.-They-they can do that.

-You say well done. -(applause)-And they did it legally.

-They did it legally.-But you say welcome to America.

There are somewho did it one way,

and there are some who did itanother way.

Look, I-I guess we can,we can go back and forth

on a lot of these issues, um...

It's-it's an interesting placeto be in

because, honestly, y-you've won,you know.

Like, your side has won,as you say, you know.

The liberal snowflakesare melting

in the streets as they protest.

And now I would like to knowfrom your side, genuinely,

as someone who's won,do you believe

that Donald Trump will followthrough on his promises?

I will be a vocal opponentif he doesn't.

I am not somebody that gets onthe cheerleading bandwagon.

If he does something I disagreewith, I will discuss it.

I did before I wasa Trump supporter,

I was critical of Trump.

I was a Marco Rubio girlfor a long time,

and then I started to see thatwas gonna be our nominee.

And I said it's him or Hillary.

-A lot of Americanswere in that position. -Yeah.

And then I got closerto the campaign,

and I started seeing someof the things he was saying,

and I started seeing the effecthe was having on people,

and the things that he wassaying that was touching people,

-and making them feel likethey... -He was touching people.

-Yeah. He was.-(laughter)

He really was.

Hillary could use some of thatevery now and then, right?

Bill's a little busy,Bill's a little busy.

I appreciate you beingon the show.

Thank you so muchfor being here.

-Thank you, Trevor.-It is, a...

a conversation we shouldcontinue having, uh, having.

You can find, uh,Tomi's Final Thoughts

at Facebook.com/TomiLahren.

Tomi Lahren, everybody