Please welcome Joy Reid.
(cheers and applause)
-Welcome to the show.-Thank you.
I'm so in love with you.
I follow you on Twitterand you're just like,
you're power and then onthe show it's the same thing.
Thank you for being here on--is it a momentous occasion?
-On the last day on Earth.-Yes.
Yes. I'm glad to be hereon the final-- the last day.
-Good to share it with you.-Let's jump into that.
Because you've written a book
that is--it's really inspirational.
We Are The Change We Seek: The Speeches of Barack Obama.
Today was the complete opposite.
It was the complete opposite.
I mean, the line that stood outfrom Donald Trump's speech today
was "American carnage."
So that is the line that peopleare gonna remember
-from this speech. -What doesthat mean, by the way?
It means that essentiallyhe sees us as emerging
from this hell scape that'screated by, basically,
people like you and me, and he'sgoing to save us from it.
Whoa. Maybe you, not--why are you including me?
Don't include me.Maybe you, not me.
-Mostly me.Yeah. And he's seeking to?
And he's seeking to, I guess,rescue us for it by himself.
He's essentially saying,whereas, you know,
Barack Obama said,"We are the change we seek,"
he's saying,I am the change you seek.
I'm gonna turn back this tideof immigrants,
this tide of foreigners stealingour economy from us,
stealing our livelihood,and I'm gonna turn them back
and sort of bring us backto this industrial age
he thinks he can reviveon his own.
Here's what I don't understand,
and maybe it's becauseI'm stupid.
I don't seem to understandhow he's going to do this,
-because this speech saidnothing about the how. -Right.
It just said we're going to getthe jobs back,
-we're going to be better,but how? -Yeah.
Well, I mean, Trumpseems to style himself
this master negotiator, right?
That he's going to simply willthese companies to come back
by getting on the phonewith them and negotiating.
Now, he wrote about thisin his book, right?
His very famous bookthat he didn't even write.
So he didn't writethe strategies
that he's nowgoing to be implementing.
It was written by someone else,by a ghost writer.
But somehow, I guess,his force of will
is just gonna make it happen.
So if-if you're sitting back andyou're looking at this person
who has come in as a president,which is, I mean,
I'm not gonna lie, I mean,all over the world,
hate or love them, the presidentof America has always been
this-this figure where everyonein the world goes,
"Oh, wow, it's the president,"now it's like, "It's Trump."
It-it doesn't holdthe same gravitas.
It doesn't, but it-it holdsa lot of fear.
I mean, I can tell you,this is the first inauguration--
I mean, George W. Bush'sinauguration,
there were protests,
because you had theSupreme Court intervening,
people thought that was unfair.
This time it'sa foreign government,
a foreign adversarial powerintervening,
plus the FBI, plus the thingshe said about Muslims,
about immigrants,about people of color,
about black peopleliving in hell,
which he repeated today.
And so you sawnot just protests here,
but protests around the world.
-We've never seen a picturelike that. -Yeah.
And there was Trumpwith his tiny crowd,
pretending like nothingwas going on.
He was living in one reality
and the rest of the worldwas in another.
When you went throughthe speeches,
you got a good idea of Obamaand his journey,
you know, you went back.
If you look back at, you know,Obama's speeches,
if you look back at hisinaugural speech,
and you look at Donald Trump's,
are there any similarities?
Or is ita completely different image
of a completely differentAmerica?
I mean, they took placeat the same event.
And that's about it,you know what I mean?
Literally, I mean, Barack Obama,
if you go back throughhis speeches,
-we went back to hisanti-war speech, -Yes.
that he gave in 2002.
From then all the wayto the very end,
the point he's making
is that the country is foundedon these principles.
Maybe we haven't always lived upto them,
but we believe in them and wedrive toward them together.
Essentially Donald Trumpis saying what, you know,
I've kind of seenin a lot of speeches
in parts of Eastern Europe,
-in parts of theAfrican continent. -Yes.
You could have heard RobertMugabe give this speech,
-which is that... -Although moreeloquently, I mean, I think,
-A little bit more.-if it was Mugabe.
-With a little moreworldliness to him. -Yes.
Saying essentially,this country is finished,
we are in decline,
it's been destroyedby the elites,
by all the people essentiallystanding around me right now,
and I'm going to drag it backto where you,
my supporters,specifically want it to be.
That's not a messageto the whole country,
it's a messagejust to his supporters.
for a president to do thaton his inauguration.
Now, you are in theunenviable position
of being part of the scumthat is the press.
You are in a positionwhere Donald Trump,
I've never forgotten this,where he said,
-I'm gonna open upthose libel laws. -Yeah.
We're gonna get ridof this fake news.
You are smack-dab in the middleof those crosshairs.
Does this change how youapproach the news?
Do journalists come together?
What do you see as a visionin a world where most people
are saying we're living in apost-facts, post-truth world?
Yeah. And I think that it hasto change the way we behave.
You know,journalists are accustomed
to when the presidentsays something,
or the president-electsays something,
you can just report it.
But now, somethingthat Donald Trump tweets
is not a headline that you canjust translate
right into your magazine or yournewspaper or on television,
because a,it might not be true,
and more times than notit isn't true,
it's just a flat-out liethat he's just making up.
And other times it can actually
change the worldin negative ways.
He's caused stocks to drop
of companies he's threateningon his Twitter feed.
And he's threatening the press.
He's saying he's gonna removethe press from the White House.
So I think we have to study
We have to look at the wayVladimir Putin operates.
And we have to think abouthow do we, a free press,
operate with an increasinglyauthoritarian regime?
And change everythingwe're doing.
We can't just reportwhat he says,
-and live on his Twitter feed.-(cheering and applause)
Like I say,I don't envy you.
You have a tough jobahead of you.
I will be here in New Yorkholding down the fort.
-Okay.-You're going back to DC.
Same level of danger,and, uh, you know.
So you do your thingand I'm gonna do mine.
Thank you so muchfor being here.
-Thank you, Trevor.-Two travellers.
-You know that's so.-Appreciate it.
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Joy Reid, everybody.