Please welcome Van Jones.
-♪ -(cheering and applause)
-Uh...-No, no, no.
-(laughs)-After you, after you.
Welcome to the show, sir.
Welcome to Hell, sir.
-(laughter) -Well,I-I don't know if I'm in Hell.
I feel like, uh, this isthe beginning of the ride.
Yeah, well, for you,it's a ratings bonanza.
For the rest of us,we're just gonna be suffering.
I-I feellike it's the same thing.
-But-but let's take a step back,though. -Yes, sir.
When you last came on the show,
I will never forgethow you sounded the warning.
You were oneof the first people--
not just on CNNbut in general-- saying,
we need to takethese people seriously.
And when you were referringto "these people,"
you were talkingabout angry white voters
and, more importantly,
people who were neo-Nazisand white supremacists
within that movement.
It's a weird place to be in now,
but are you walking aroundgoing, like, "I told you so"?
Um, you know, um,some people were raised well
and would never do that,and I'm not one of them.
I tried to tell y'all!
-I tried to tell y'all!-(laughter and applause)
And ain't nobody listened!
Here-Here's a question, here'sa legit question I have, though.
Here... No, no.Here-Here's a thing I have.
You-you were sitting on panels.I watch your show all the time.
-I see you there talkingto people. -Yeah.
People would say to you,"Van, I don't know.
"I think you're wrong.Let's look at the numbers.
"Let's look at the the polls.This can't happen.
"This won't happen.White liberal voters,
white voters in these stateswon't vote for this."
Why were you so certain
that they could switchand vote for Trump?
You have a-a core of people
who were actually delighted
by someof those inflammatory comments.
Those peopleI would call bigots, okay?
But you hadanother group of people
who found those commentsdistasteful
but not disqualifying,
because they had so much othereconomic pain and problems
that were not being talked to.
And those were the peoplethat cost us the election.
And what I was aware ofin the country
was that, yes, you did havea bunch of fired-up bigots,
but you also had a much, much,much, much, much larger number
of people who feltthat the elites
had sold them down the riverin both parties.
And you know what?They weren't wrong.
We did not give theman opportunity
to come to our sidethe way we should have.
Here's a question I have.
You... you're actually here
because you have a special
coming out on CNN where, uh...
-it's called The Messy Truth. -Yes.
And you've gone out...
You said,"I'm going to go out
-to talk to these people.-Yeah.
What's interestingto me is-is the why.
A lot of people are going,"You write them off.
"Rebuild the Democratic party,
and then we'll figure outa-a way forward from here."
I see a lot of peoplemaking the arguments saying,
"Why should I engage with peoplewho made a decision
"that they knew to be racistor knew to be misogynistic
or decided to turn a blind eyeto that?"
Why would you then go and engagewith those same people
and what do you hopeto gain from that?
Well, look, first of all,I think we have to have
a more nuanced view of people.
Um, I don't wantto write anybody off.
First of all, everybodythat voted for Trump
was not voting for everycrazy thing he said.
A lot of peoplevoted for Hillary Clinton
holding their nose, too, okay?
So people voted for Trumpholding their nose.
There are veteranswho voted for Trump.
But if Trumpcomes at American Muslims,
those veteranswill march with us.
There are businesspeoplewho voted for Trump.
But if he goes and startsdragging Dreamers
off of college campuses andthrowing them out the country,
those business leaderswill be outraged.
So I don't want to buildhis coalition for him.
I don't want to take good peoplewho made a choice
that I don't likeand just give them to Trump.
I want...Listen, Trump is much worse
than anybody in this countryis willing to accept,
but a lot of his votersare much better,
and I don't wantto give 'em away.
(applause and cheering)
Let's chat real quickbefore I let you go
about what you seeour future as,
because...for many black Americans,
it's tough because...
many black Americans will say,
-"How many times do I have to bedoing the right thing?" -Mm.
"So I've got to be the onethat's voting for Hillary,
"and then, I see white peoplebe like,
"'I'll take a chance on Trump.'
"You know, I've gotto be the one
"who is now extending a hand,
"listening and talkingto people
who I feel like would notdo the same thing for me."
You're in that position.
You are an African-American man.
You have children that youtalked about on the show,
where you go, "I don't know howto explain this to them."
How do you then findthat strength,
or why do you feel the needfor yourself to be reaching out?
Because you could just say"No. This country's racist.
I don't care. I'm out."
But how do you justifyto yourself then?
How can you lookat a Nelson Mandela,
who went through much worse thanI'm ever gonna go through,
dealing with much worse people?
And he didn't give up.How can I look
at an Ella Jo Baker,a Fannie Lou Hamer,
a Martin Luther King?
They shot King in the facethe year I was born
because he was tryingto fight for these ideals.
I have one bad electionand some bad tweets, and quit?
I can't do that.And I'm gonna tell you,
you cannot-- especiallythis younger generation...
They can't quit, either.
I'm a ninth generation American.
A ninth generation American.
I'm the first one in my familyborn with all my rights.
My relatives didn't quit,and I'm not going to, either,
and neither shouldthese young people.
-We're just getting started.-(applause and cheering)
-I could have you on hereforever. -Yeah, man.
I love chatting to you.
-I appreciate everything you do.-Yeah, man.
The Messy Truth airs on CNNtomorrow, December 6,
at 9:00 p.m. Eastern time.
You want to watch it.Van Jones, everybody.