Please welcomeBen Schnetzer and Nick Jonas!
-♪ -(cheering, applause)
Welcome, welcome,welcome to the show, gentlemen.
-Thanks very much.-Thanks for having us.
Can I jump straight inand say...
-amazing film.-Thank you.
-Thank you so much. -Genuinely,genuinely amazing film.
I mean, you came from suchdifferent walks of life.
-Mm.-You know, on your side, Ben,
you studied drama in the U.K.
Uh, Nick, we've seen you come upthrough the Disney world.
You know, both very differentbut grueling experiences.
-It's true. -When you...when you come together
to make this movie,like, what do you...
what are all the thoughtprocesses you're going through?
-Because Goat is about hazing.-Mm.
It's all about brotherly love.
You guys seemed like brothersin the movie.
I appreciate you saying that.Yeah, I think, um,
you know, that wasat the crux of the film,
-at the crux of the story,it's about... -Yeah.
literal fraternity, um,
and the relationshipbetween these two brothers
and how it's testedthrough, uh... the trials
that the film kind of,you know, take... displays.
-Um... -Like the toll that it..the toll that it has
on the two brothers...I don't want to give
much of the plot away, but-butyou ta... you play brothers,
and, um... and Nick,you're an older brother
who's-who's in college.It's funny, it sounds similar
to your story now--your-your youngest brother
-is starting college now.-My youngest brother's
-just started collegeabout two weeks ago. -Yeah.
And I told him, I was like,"Listen, um, you know,
before you even think aboutjoining a fraternity
you should watch this movie."And, uh, that's what I think
we both hope comes from this,is that it becomes a tool
for people to just saythis is the worst-case scenario,
uh, of, you know,hazing culture as a whole.
Because, you know,fraternities, uh, there probably
are a lot of great thingsabout it. Uh, you know,
we were both theater nerds,so we didn't-we didn't really
have the traditionalcollege experience.
Uh, but if we had,I think it would have been nice
to be able to watch this movieand say, "All right, well,
I know what to avoid."You know?
Uh, there are people out therewho go, "Yeah, but guys,
"calm down-- boys will be boys,men will be men,
"it's just a fraternity, man--so what? You run around naked,
"you grab your dicks, you doa little thing. That's what
-"a fraternity's all about.-It's like drama school, yeah.
You're trying to take,uh, the fun out of school?"
That's the...Is-is that the idea,
is that whatyou're trying to do?
-Uh... -Well, you know,the film-- it-it's not
an indictment of fraternitiesby any means.
It's-it's, uh, a dramatizationof a true story,
of a guy's memoir, and, um...
Brad Land's memoirand his experience.
Um... and so it's interesting--we were chatting earlier
about how it's-it's kind ofthe only film we can think of
-about fraternitiesthat's not a comedy. -Yeah.
Um, and I think there'sa lot of comedic value
in that environment,
but, um, I think whenever you...
play with power dynamics,um, and young men
and add a lot of boozeand take away consequences,
you can tread dangerous waters.
We-we actually have a clipfrom the film here.
Um, this is a reallypowerful clip where, uh,
I guess you see a glimpseof what you're talking about.
Let's check it out.
Let me ask you a question.What the ... happened in there?
I don't ... know, dude.
Okay, well,Dixon's looking for a reason
to kick your ... today, okay?He says I cheated for you.
-What?-That cannot happen.
Dude, I didn't ... askfor your help in there.
I didn't ask for your help.
Look, I went through thismyself, all right?
They just ... do thisto weed out the weak ones.
Show 'em you mean business.Show 'em you want to be here.
-Okay.-You got to be tougher.
You can do this, dude.
I know. I-I...
I will be.
-That's a powerful scene.Powerful scene. -Yeah.
You guys, um, really laid outa story where...
Like you say,it's an actual fraternity.
-And you have brothersin the fraternity. -Yeah.
You see your brother nowfacing what you...
I guess some peoplewould consider torture.
How do you...how do you get into that?
For me, like,watching the two of yours...
Like, did you guys spend a lotof time getting into that?
Did you... did you knoweach other beforehand?
We had very limited timeto get to know each other,
and we had to build, you know,a whole lifetime
of-of relationship, you know,and-and brotherhood,
uh, within a couple days.And also, uh, you know,
it's a small budget movie
and-and a small windowof time to shoot it,
-so we were really kind of underthe gun, in that sense. -Yeah.
And I think the priorityfor-for both of us
was just to makethe best movie possible.
And that meant kind of puttingour pride aside,
putting ego aside, andjust getting in, doing the work,
and, uh, supporting each other,you know.
'Cause a lot of this,for him, at least,
was, uh, pretty treacherous.
Uh, the hazing sceneskind of played out in real time.
We had the freedomfrom the director, Andrew Neel,
-who's amazing,just to do it for real. -Yeah.
Uh, so as oneof the people hazing,
uh, it was really intense.
But I can only imagine,um, if you...
if you see the movie,you'll see they go through it,
uh, in a pretty intense way.And, uh, it was a journey.
Yeah, people are being tied up,being spat on, being...
-That was real saliva... -Oh,oh, that was real saliva, yeah.
Yeah, it was real salivain your face that is...
And that scene with James Francoas well.
Totally unscripted.And he went for it.
-You-you... Th-There'sa scene where... -Yeah.
I mean, it's basically youand James Franco
-punchingand slapping each other. -Yeah.
-And not in a funny way. -AndI don't know if you've met...
-He's a big dude. And he wasgoin'... -He was goin' in.
-Yeah, he was goin' in. -There'sa genuine, like, uh, you know...
Which is a good thing, I guess.A genuine reaction shot of me
behind him in the scene,
and this is where Jamesjust screamed at him,
"Punch me in the (bleep) face!Let's go!"
And-and we all just startedlaughing. Said, "All right,
well, you got to punch JamesFranco in the face." Like...
-Sounds like a good... -I'mlike, "All right. Here we go.
-Nice one." -Uh, it was greatthough. It was a great process,
you know, and-and, uh, Jamesbrought a lot to the table.
-Yeah.-Now let me ask you this.
Coming into the story--a story about men,
a story about masculinity--you know, uh,
you see different imagesof men online.
-Mm. -You're bothin the entertainment industry.
Nick, on your side,I mean, you see images
of Nick Jonas toplessand, you know, it's like,
"Oh, his masculinity,muscles, and..."
-(laughter) -What do you mean?You act like...
-You haven't seen thosepictures? -I've never seen 'em.
-Where are these pictures?-Why? You took them.
-They were selfies.What do you mean? -(laughter)
How do you not knowabout the pictures?
-I don't know. I'm tagged.-But I mean...
But I mean, you... No. You seethese pictures, and I go...
In the story, I wonderedfrom the two of you,
what is the definitionof your masculinity? You know?
-As you say, you camefrom a drama culture. -Mm.
And there's always that, like,bullying of drama
and that whole idea in school.
But what is your definitionof masculinity
when you lookthrough the process of the film?
Well, I think,you know, for me,
that was the most interestingthing about this script
when I first read it,was this idea that, um,
you know, there's reallyan inability
to show any intimacywith-with other men.
-Yeah. -Uh, without being judgedin some sense.
And, um, you know, that itactually comes out in violence.
-Hmm. -Their care for each othercomes out in saying, "Oh."
-SCHNETZER: Yeah. -"Love youbrother" and all that.
And there's no...there's no care in it.
Um, you know, so I thinkusing that
as a way to tell the storyand say,
all right, these arethese amazing young men
who have the opportunityto actually do great things...
-NOAH: Yeah.-SCHNETZER: Right.
...but are so limitedby their inability
to just get realand get vulnerable, and, um...
It's, you know, kind of intense.
SCHNETZER:That's a great point.
Like, I mean,I have friends who are guys
who cannot give you a complimentwithout also insulting you.
NOAH:It's got to be backhanded.
-It's got to be backhanded.-NOAH: Yeah.
There's got to be... Uh, yeah.
Um, but I think, you know,as far as Brad,
the character, um, who I play,his journey,
you know, I think a...
He's turning...He's looking outside
for validation from others.
And I think towardthe end of the film,
he starts to realizethat the validation
that you really needis from yourself.
Um, and I think as far as beingcomfortable with intimacy,
a lot of that comes from...from your own maturity.
NOAH:I will tell you this.
-I, uh... I didn't expect itwhen I watched the film. -Mm.
You know, you don't knowwhat to expect.
And it's a beautiful moviein that it takes you
through so manydifferent emotions.
But you both dida fantastic job,
and I think you're gonna geta conversation started.
-Thanks so much. -Socongratulations to both of them.
Uh, Go is in theatresand On Demand
Friday, September 23.
I genuinely recommendyou watch it.
Ben Schnetzer and Nick Jonas,everyone.