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Okay, so, this week,Fox News host
Andrea, uh, Tantaros, uh, was added to the growing list
of I think at least 20 women accusing former CEO Roger Ailes
of sexual harassment, including Gretchen Carlson
and Megyn Kelly.
Now, so my question is,
do the Fox women coming out
give sexual harassment claimsmore credibility now?
Yeah, I think, you know,at a place where
there's obviously reallypowerful people trying to keep
this kind of scandal down,you know, at a place like
Fox News, if it's coming outthere, you know, I think that
it shows that it's probablyhappening a lot more places
-than we expected.-WILMORE: Mm-hmm.
And that, you know,
we should believethat it's happening.
It shouldn't take,like, you know,
-20 different people coming out.-WILMORE: Right.
It should just take a coupleof instances before we know
that something's fishy, right?
Yeah, I definitely thinkthat because it's Fox News,
-it's getting more attention,-WILMORE: Yeah.
but it should get attentionno matter where it happens,
unless it's on Mad Men and wejust give it lots of Emmys.
It sounded like a Mad Men type situation, too, right?
It's weird, 'cause Mad Men get lots of Emmys;
mad women don't get much.
-Right.-About it, you know.
Do you think because of all theattention it's gotten
with Roger Ailes and, you know,that (bleep) Bill Cosby,
and all this, are we ata turning point right now
with how we're dealingwith the issue of harassment
and abuse and that,or does it feel like we're going
to slip back and, you know?
Well, if you mean,if "turning point," you mean
"starting line," then yes.
-WILMORE: Starting line.-Yeah.
I think we're just now startingto talk about it.
It's happenedsince Adam and Eve.
Like, it's been going onfor a very long time, I'm sure.
WILMORE:Adam and Eve?
Yeah, I'm sure that snakewas like,
"Ooh, Eve, let me-- twirl.
Let me seewhat you're working with."
SAEED: These guys,these guys are totally like...
WILMORE: He wanted to seewhat Eve was working with?
WALKER: "Let me see what you'reworking with, girl."
SAEED: Yeah, these guysare totally dinosaurs.
I think, you know,if you look at this
from, like,Roger Ailes' perspective,
or any other executivewho's sexually harassing
his female coworkers,
it must be such a weird time forthem, like it was, you know,
for the peoplefrom the Mad Men era.
They're like, "Oh, my God,like, I've been doing--
"behaving like this,this entire time,
and it was totally okay,"but now, you know,
they're having to answer for it,
and that does representa turning point,
but, yeah, it shouldn't takeso much evidence,
you know, for one personto be overturned.
Obviously,this guy got away with it.
"Damn it. Normally a horrible,ugly troll like me
"can get away with this stuff.
Why is the world changing?"
Do you think this issueneeds more men
coming out against it as allies?
Men are as scared, I think,as women-- as the victims...
-In the workplace?-Right, yeah.
Like, you know, everybody isscared of losing their job.
I think when it comes down...
WILMORE: I think women are moreafraid than men, though,
of losing their jobsover this issue.
Yeah. Perhaps.I mean, because it's, like,
you have to be subjected to it,
then if you complain,you'll get fired,
whereas if you... I mean, if aman reports something like this,
-isn't he as likely to getfired? -RAMSEY: Yeah.
Well, yes.I also think that men,
like if a mansexually harasses a woman
or tells a horrible jokein front of another guy,
-then that guy, if he is...-Needs to step up.
-Well, yeah, that-that guyneeds to step up. -Yeah.
I think that whatthey typically do is go,
-(laughs) "That's hilarious."-Mm-hmm.
-Apparently they all laugh likethat. -They're complicit.
-(mimics men laughing)-They're still doing that.
But, yeah, they're complicit.
I definitely think that men needto speak up,
but I think, more importantly,
companies need to put their footdown and say,
"This is not a workplace comedy,
"this is a place of business,
and everyone needs to mindtheir own business."
But, wait. Hold on.
Fox is not a workplace comedy?
Technically, I mean...
-Slow your roll, girl.-He got you on that one.
He got you on that one.
Do you think women...having more women
in these positions of powercan help this at all?
I think everything can help.
I think women in power can help.
I think companies talkingto their employees can help.
I think body-cams could help.
-SAEED: Less men.-Yes.
-SAEED: I think, in general,-WILMORE: Body-cams?
the answer is not,
the answer's not more womenin these positions,
it's less men, because obviouslymen have been in charge
of this (bleep)for a long time
and, you know,they're doing a horrible job
and they're sexually harassingpeople, right?
So, you know, there shoulddefinitely be more women,
but more importantly, thereshould probably be less men.
Okay, so... there should be...
WALKER: I will give him applausefor that, I like that.
-Thank you. -That was good,I liked that answer.
Not necessarily more women,there should be less men,
and just create a void or what?
-Yeah, no, I'm saying...-It's not the woman...
What exists in the void?I'm confused.
It's not the women who arethe problem, it's the men
who are the problem,so you have less men,
-you will have more women, so...-SAEED: There you go.
-Hmm. -Thank youfor understand me. -Mm-hmm, yes.
Or people just stop(bleep) harassing.
-Yeah. -How about that?-Yeah, that works too.
-That works out. -That might bethat way to do it.
-That'll work, too.-(cheering, applause)
It might bethe simpler way to go.
Uh, a lot of people...I remember when, uh,
when Obama became president,said, "All right, racism over."
Do you think, uh,if we have Madam President,
if Hillary becomes president,
people will havethat same attitude?
"We don't have to worry aboutsexism anymore. Sexism done."
I mean, I-I think,socially speaking, right,
in America, as a country,
these are twovery different types of,
you know, minorities.They're two different groups
that we're talking about, right?Like, black people and women.
I don't think that you can havethe same reaction against women
that, you know, people hadagainst black people, you know,
as-as a result of Obama,because, like, you know,
they're everywhere. You canlive in a place in America
where you don't see any blackpeople and feel okay about,
like, you know, (bleep) talkingObama when he's on TV or, like,
you know, blaming black peoplefor-for social ills.
But I don't think you can dothat with women in the same way,
you know? Like, everybodyhas a mom, you know what I mean?
-Everybody's like...-And they (bleep) talk her too.
Yeah, I know. Perhaps, right?
But, like, you know... but-butthen again, you know,
I feel like I could be provenwrong. The American public
is a pretty, you know,crazy, volatile thing.
You never knowwhat they'll do, really.
Well, everybody's had a bombfor a very long time.
Yeah. Wait, sorry, what's that?
-Everybody's had a momfor a long time. -Yeah, I know.
Like, since the beginningof time, right? So, I mean,
hopefully, peoplewon't use those same
sort of ridiculous arguments,you know, to generalize
about women. Or, you know,or to-to pin that issue
directly on Hil-Hillary Clintonin the same way.
I hope you're right, 'causeif it... you're right, like,
I hope we're not out of thefrying pan and into the fire.
'Cause we got it with Obama,
we'll get itwith Hillary too, so...
-Yeah. I know.-Oh, yeah, no, seriously.
It's like, you can't win.
-Progress: it's (bleep).-I'm waiting for, like, a...
I'm waiting for a Muslim potheadto end up in the White House.
Then I'll... then I'll feel goodabout everything.
There you go.
Uh, the presidentfor 2068, I guess.
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