Mark Leibovich - The Slicing and Dicing of the Electorate

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New York Times Magazine correspondent Mark Leibovich weighs in on Hillary Clinton's historic presidential nomination and discusses her strategy for beating Donald Trump. (4:51)

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Please welcome Mark Leibovich,everyone.

(cheers and applause)

Thank you so muchfor being here.

Great to be here, Trevor.

Is this night as momentousfor you as it is for Hillary?

You've been coveringthis for so long.

I... it's more momentous for methan it is for Hillary.

-It is? I'm glad.-Yeah, I think it is.

I'm glad you feel that.I'm glad you feel that.

No. I-I, uh, it's obviously,I think,

more momentousfor Hillary Clinton.

Although, it's always-- thesethings are always exciting.

If you cover politics, theseare, you know,

Super Bowl-like occasions.

I mean, nomination speeches,and obviously it was historic,

so, uh, it will be memorable.

Do you think it's more historic

because this could beAmerica's last election?


Yes, absolutely.

I mean, I... I mean,there won't...

will there be any historiansafter, like, America ends?

-Trump?-Well, I don't know.

He will probably be on like,Twitter.

He'll have, like,Twitter historians

and then nobody else.

The question is, will be he ableto actually block historians

as he blocks certain members ofthe press that he doesn't like?

Which is somethingthat he's threatened.

It's-it's-it's crazy how he'sengulfed the news.

We talk about that all the time.

Even on Hillary's big night,she's addressing Trump.

Strangely enough, Hillary spentless time talking

about Republican policy,and more about Trump.

That's been the themeof the week.

It feels like it's becomeAmerica versus Trump.

I think that'sprobably intentional.

I mean, it's been a very, um,not-- I would say,

somewhat nonpartisan convention.

I mean,I think the big speeches,

you know, Barack Obama's,Michelle Obama's,

Bill Clinton's, uh,has been very welcoming

to mainstream Republicans,

which I think they feel

are very, very essentialto their coalition,

especially if Donald Trumpis able to pick off,

um, you know, traditionalDemocratic voters,

you know, working-class voters.

But the suburban Philadelphia,suburban Cleveland,

suburban Denver,uh, Republicans are,

are very much ripefor the picking, I think.

You know when you lookat the people

that are ripe for the picking,Donald Trump feels like

Bernie fans are ripefor the picking.

Hillary Clinton went throughquite a bit with Bernie fans.

You've been covering herfor a long time.

Do you feel that it's rhetoric,

or has her campaign shiftedto the left?

And will that translate

into actual policyif she becomes president?

I think it will.I mean, I think,

because of this campaign,if she is elected president,

she will have the fearof the left in her.

I think she'll know that she hasto work with Elizabeth Warren,

with Bernie Sanderswhen they go back to the senate.

So I think that that's vital,and I think

that's beena very effective part

of what Bernie Sandershas been able to do.

-I do think that...-(applause and cheering)

Yeah. I mean, absolutely.

-Yeah.-Um, I think to the degree that

she had to consolidatethat support in this convention,

she was probablypretty effective.

I think Bernie probablycould have really helped her

-by smiling a little more. Imean, he's not a... -(laughter)

-He doesn't smile, though. Hedoesn't smile. -He doesn't

-smile, but it wouldn't...-He doesn't smile.

I mean, it really... Actually,it sends a bit of a message.

I mean, especiallyafter this week

-which started outa little trying. -But he tried.

I've actually never seenBernie smile that much.

-(laughter)-You know, he can smile more.

I've seen him smile more.

He actually can bea little bit funny.

-Oh.-Yeah. Have you ever had him on?

-No, no. A little bit funny.I like this. -I mean...

-I-I... He can be funny.He can be dry. -Yeah, but,

I mean, Bernie has nowstepped out of the race.

He's endorsed Hillary Clinton.

Does the real journey begin now,or is it already over?

They saymost voters have decided.

Where does the race go tofrom here?

Well, I think that the courtship

-of Bernie and Bernie supportersis ongoing. -Mm-hmm.

I mean, you don't just,you know, snap your fingers

and just let a conventiontake care of it.

Um, I do think her moreeffective moments tonight

were whenshe fairly dispassionately

made her argumentagainst Donald Trump.

She's pretty goodin a sort of prosecutorial,

but also, you know, somewhatmocking tone towards Trump.

And I think thatthat sort of resonated.

You know, and look,as... like you said

in, like, in the segment before,

I mean, just do it anyway.I mean, there's a lot of just...

-(laughter) -There's a bigjust-do-it-anyway vote, right?

It's a strange election, becausethat feels like the tone.

-Bloomberg came outand said the same thing. -Yeah.

He said, "For this election."

A lot of people--even Republicans are saying--

for this election.

It's no longer elections.

It's just for this election...

-Yes, it anyway. -(laughter)

I think just do it anyway.I mean, look, I mean...

In Cleveland last week,

I would talkto a lot of Republican women.

Not so much delegatesbut staffers that I know.

And you would ask them,"Who are you gonna vote for?"

And a lot of them said Hillary.

-These are, like,Republican staffers. -Wow.

But then, here in Philadelphia,go to South Philadelphia,

and you talk to some, you know,

traditionally Reagan Democrats,or something,

and they're known as "leaners."

And they'll sort of lean in,and they'll say,

"You know, I kind of might votefor that Trump guy."

So, there is this slicingand dicing

of the traditional electoratethat, um, you know,

makes thisa little bit unpredictable,

and I think has made ithard to assess

how these conventionshave been assessed.

Well, it's goingto be an exciting race,

I can tell you that much.

Thank you so muchfor being here.

Thanks, Trevor.Good to be here.

Real fun having you.Mark Leibovich, everybody.

-We'll be right back.-(applause and cheering)