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First up, Nightly Show contributor Rory Albanese.
And Nightly Show contributorRobin Thede.
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All right, so, last weekendat the BET Awards, uh,
Jesse Williams gavean electrifying speech.
Take a look.
And we're done watchingand waiting
while this invention calledwhiteness uses and abuses us,
burying black peopleout of sight and out of mind
while extracting our culture,our dollars,
our entertainment like oil,black gold.
Yeah, he dropped...he dropped a couple of mics,
and during the showJustin Timberlake
tweeted that he was inspired.And then he got trolled
by somebody who was a littlesensitive during that moment
on Twitter, and Timberlakeresponded with this tweet.
And then Twitterjust really lost its mind.
-THEDE: Yeah. -People thoughthe was being condescending,
blah, blah. Why do you thinkthere was such a big reaction
to this reaction?
Okay, so, I feel as if the issueis not Justin Timberlake
having an inputor even appreciating
what was said in the speech.I mean, that's something
-that everybody, most peoplecan resonate with. -Right.
Our problem here...our problem here
is that Justin Timberlakehimself, you know,
is definitely benefitingfrom using black culture
for his sound, his dance moves,
his dancersand blowing up off of it.
But if you roll downJustin Timberlake's Twitter
for the past two years,which I just did,
you see nothingthat supports black people
when it's more difficult,when there's a struggle.
You know, with everythingthat's gone on
and everybody that's been killedby police on camera
in the past couple years--there's no #BlackLivesMatter.
-There's no"praying for Baltimore." -Right.
There's no "praying for Flint."
You know? Becausethat's a dangerous subject
for him to touch.
And we're not feeling himbeing down
when it's beneficial to him,
and turning a blind eyewhen it could be dangerous.
And did you feel likethat was, um...?
(applause and cheering)
Did it feelthat was the underlying feeling
with that kind of battlethat was going on?
'Cause Jesse's speech hada lot of that in there
about cultural appropriation.
THEDE:Yes, and it was
-really powerful, you know.-Right.
And I think,you know, part of it,
Justin just caught black peopleat a bad moment.
Like, we were so hypedoff that speech.
-WILMORE: Yeah. -We had neverheard anything like that.
It was like when I wentto go see 12 Years a Slave...
WILMORE: It's like,"This is the BET Awards."
We didn't knowwhite people were watching."
-Ah. -No, they weren't,but it was like,
when I went to go see 12 Years a Slave,
I left the movie theatre,a white man opened the door,
and I was like,"Too little, too late, sir."
-WILMORE: Oh, man.-ALBANESE: Ah.
-You know, I was, like...-Wow.
-You just get hyped,and you feel so right. -Right.
But not... You know what it was?
That happened to me with Wolf of Wall Street, by the way.
-Yeah? Yeah. -I fired twostockbrokers after that movie.
Not the... not the same?
-No, it's not the same.-Not really.
-Just trying to relate.-Yeah. -Not the same.
-Sorry. Just trying to relate.-No. That's fair.
No but I think, you know,it was his follow-up tweet
where he said,"We're all the same."
-WILMORE: Mm-hmm.-Just after Jesse had said,
"We're not being treatedthe same." -WILMORE: Right.
You know, it was like, you can't"All Lives Matter" us,
and then also be inspiredby his speech, you know.
-You know? -Mm-hmm.Do you feel like that's
a feelingthat's out there right now?
Because his speech had a lotof different aspects to it.
But culturalappropriations part--
did it feel likethat was just a Twitter beef,
or that's a real feelingthat's out there right now?
MENSA:I mean, Twitter
-is just representing whatpeople are thinking. -Mm-hmm.
That's where we can, stream ofconsciousness express ourselves.
-People are tired atthis point... -WILMORE: Right.
...of just being used.
Is there any partof black culture
that seems safeto appropriate,
and some that doesn't?
Just... I'm just tryingto help Rory out. Like...
I mean, I'd be, like,for Timberlake,
just being a white guyand trying
to get involved in thisis a mistake.
-I'm learning that immediately.Um... -(laughter)
No. I think that the thing that,
to me,it makes perfect sense is, like,
the black communityhas been ostracized
since the beginning of timein this country, obviously.
And we've not invited themto the party the entire time.
And they've created their ownworld, their own culture and all
these things they have to dowhen they weren't invited.
-WILMORE: Undecided.-And now they've created
these awesome thingswithin that culture.
And we're like, "Oh, we'll takethat, we'll take that and..."
-Right. -And it's like, "No.(bleep) you. Like, you can't
take the good (bleep) and ignoreus on every other issue."
-WILMORE AND THEDE: Right.-I totally get
why people were pissedabout that.
But when doesappropriation stop,
and when does something justbecome part of the culture?
'Cause there's a lotof young white kids who...
that's all they know. That'sthe music.... -That's just...
-Yeah, but... -...andthe culture that they know.
They don't see itas appropriation, right?
But they don't wantto appropriate
-the voter suppression...-Right. That's what I'm saying.
...and predatory loansand job discrimination.
You don't wantto appropriate that stuff.
-WILMORE: The bad stuff. Right.-ALBANESE: Right. -(applause)
ALBANESE:It's like... It's, uh...
It's, um... it's like aselective appropriation.
-Absolutely. -It's likeselecting the things that are...
-WILMORE: But who would wantto appropriate that? -Well...
THEDE: But that's the thing.But that's the thing.
-You're in or out. You knowwhat I mean? -Thank you.
-That's what I'm saying.-You can't take what
-you like and let... you know...-WILMORE: He also talked about
critique, and I want to showthis other part of this speech
that Jesse was talking about.
Can we show that real quick?
If you have a critique for theresistance, for our resistance,
then you better havean established record
-of critique of our oppression.-(applause and cheering)
If you have no interest...
If you have no interest inequal rights for black people,
then do not make suggestionsto those who do. Sit down.
-(applause and cheering)-Let me tell you something.
-He was keeping it 1,000.-THEDE: Yeah, he was.
-THEDE: Sit down, son.-Sit down.
Sit down until you show usthat you care.
Don't give us any...don't tell us...
-WILMORE: Yeah.-THEDE: Right.
...(bleep) unlessyou show us you care.
-And listen, you can't get awaywith (bleep) today, man. -Man.
-No, but the truth is, islike... -No, 'cause guess what?
-you don't have to tweet that,Justin Timberlake. -Yeah.
He could have said everythinghe was inspired about.
-THEDE: Right.-And then we'd have been cool.
-(laughter) -Well, I thinkthat ironically one of the...
the mediums that serve to dividewith appropriation music,
I think, is the same mediumthat can help bring us together,
'cause music is oneof those forces.
-MENSA: Right.-ALBANESE: Mm-hmm.
...that does bring a lotof people together.
-THEDE: Absolutely. -Sowe'll see. We'll be right back.
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