Please welcome Tomi Lahren.
-♪ -(cheering, applause)
Thanks. Thank you.
I'm in the lion's den, Trevor.
I am not a lion at all.
Is that, like, an African thing?No. Um, welcome to the show.
Be-Before we get into it,uh, I-I know who you are,
because I-I...my Facebook feed has you in it.
Uh, there are a lot of peoplewho don't, so if you don't
know Tomi Lahren, this isa little taste of her show.
The protesters are still out inforce, but let's be honest--
they're not protesters, they'recrybabies with nothing better
to do than meanderaround the streets
with their participationtrophies and false sense
of purpose.This isn't for Hillary.
I'm not even surethis is against Trump.
It's the same thing we've seentime and time again
with these so-calledprotesters and demonstrators.
It started withthe Occupy Wall Street brats,
moved on to the more militantand overtly aggressive
Black Lives Matter More crowd,
cycled through the DNC-paidviolence instigators
and now here we are,November of 2016,
with President-electDonald Trump and a crowd
of misfit babies formed fromevery failed movement,
all sandwiched togetherto become the largest group
of whiners the countryhas ever seen.
-All right... -Pretty muchcovers it, doesn't it, Trevor?
Quick question--like, why are you so angry?
I'm actually not that angry.It's just there's things
that need to be said, Trevor,and a lot of people
-are afraid to say 'em.-In an...
in an angry way. I mean,you can't say you're not angry
and, I mean, this is-this iswhat you're known for.
It's a strange thing to say--"I'm not angry"--
but that is the one thing...It's like Ellen saying,
"I don't like dancing."It's like, yeah, you do, Ellen.
You do. You-you are angryabout everything, it seems.
Some of these people just needto be called on their (bleep).
-You know? I mean, when...-What-what... But when you say
"your (bleep),"what in particular?
-Well, when you're... -'Causethis is the-this is the thing--
protesting a, you know,fair and free election...
that, to me, you-you're gonnaget called on your (bleep)
a little bit. It's timeto clear the streets, it's time
to accept reality,it's time to move on,
time to make Americagreat again.
-You consider yourselfa conservative. -I do.
-Okay. -I mean, a millennial,so I don't really like labels.
-But, yes, I'm conservativein thought. -Sorry, my brain...
You just gave a labelto say you don't like labels.
-But, anyway, um...-We exist on a spectrum, Trevor.
I mean, you're... Would youconsider yourself a liberal?
That was just... that wasjust funny. That was just funny.
-It was just a funny moment.Um... -I'm a millennial.
-We can surprise you.-It's just... it's just funny.
Um, in termsof Black Lives Matter,
like, you know,you have quite a record...
For somebody who is not racist,
you have to spend a lot of timesaying, "I'm not racist."
I think-- and I've said thismany times--
it started with good intentions.
I think it was.It was well-intentioned.
The moment thatthey started pushing "hands up,
don't shoot"--which is a false narrative,
proven time and time againto be a false narrative--
the minute that that becametheir slogan,
the minute that protestingturned into rioting and looting
and burningand militant actions,
that's when I lost respectfor Black Lives Matter.
Okay, but, now, here's my thing.
Let's address eachof these things one by one.
When you go, protesting, turninginto rioting and looting,
that's not a Black Lives Matterphenomenon.
That is what happens when thereis a protest a lot of the time.
There are peoplewho rioted and looted
when teams won in Chicagoyears ago.
It doesn't meanthat they are now bad people.
That's what happens...
There are some bad peoplein every instance.
Going backto Black Lives Matter, though,
for you to say that... You saythey have good intentions,
they had the good intentions.
How are you labeling outthe actions of a few
and condemning an entire group?I don't understand that.
Because they subscribe to theBlack Lives Matter movement.
They say, we arethe Black Lives Matter movement,
fry 'em like bacon,"F" the police.
They are saying those things.
These are a few people.These are a few people.
This is notthe Black Lives Matter pro...
-These are... these are... -Thatis not the platform, though.
I saw it in my...my city of Dallas.
I saw what a Black Lives Matterprotest looked like.
And I saw five fallen officersbecause of it.
-So I've seen... -That'snot fair and that's true.
-That's-that's not... -No, no,no, no, no, it is fair, Trevor,
because the shooter said,point blank shooter said,
he's doing thisbecause of Black Lives Matter.
Yes, and there are many thingsyou can say.
I mean, if you go outside,
you can say anything about doingsomething because of...
You cannot deny that the manhad mental issues, as well,
and he was in a tough place.
Just because you say the thingdoesn't mean
-it's what it stands for, right?-Do you feel emboldened?
Becauseyou're the same person...
You're the same personwho argued on your show
that just because Donald Trumphas supporters from the KKK
doesn't mean he's in the KKK,
so it goesagainst that argument.
He didn't say...he didn't say... No. No.
-(applause and cheering)-It goes against that.
You can't sayhe did it because of.
No, but, he, the shooter said,"I am..."
Yes, but Black Lives Matterhas never said
go out and shoot people.
I'm saying, you're saying thisto your audience,
and I honestly do not understandwhere you're getting that from.
Just because a person...
What if somebody says, "I feltemboldened by Tomi Lahren,
and so I went out,and I shot black people"?
Are you now responsible?Is that your black...?
But it's not one... Trevor,it's not one or two people.
-If you look at it...-How many people is it?
If you look at it in every city,
-look at the protests that havegone on. -How many people is it?
In Baltimore, in Ferguson,in New York City,
the protests that have nowturned to anti-Trump protests.
-These are not a few people.-Okay.
-This is mass crowds of people.-Okay.
They're doing this in the nameof Michael Brown.
They're doing thisin the name of Freddie Gray.
They're doing it as the frontof Black Lives Matter,
and the mainstream mediais emboldening these people.
Okay, so then let's usethat same logic
that you're using, then,and then go, police.
Are the police racist?Because police in many cities...
You look at Baltimore,
or you lookat what happened in New York,
you look at what happenedin the case of Walter Scott.
You tell me,are police racist?
Because they've been shownto harass black people unfairly.
They've been shownto shoot black people
when they're unarmed. Does thatmean the police are racist then?
Because that's the same logicyou're using.
-It's really not, though,Trevor, because... -It is.
the mainstream media is notemboldening them as a group.
-(groaning, booing)-It's not. And did you know
that a black man is 18.5 timesmore likely
to shoot a police officerthan a police officer is
to shoot a black man?Those are statistics
-no one wants to talk about.-(booing, groaning)
Here's the thing.So, let me ask you this, then.
If you say, as you saidwhen you walked out,
"I'm not as meanas people think I am,
I'm not the personthat people think I am,"
what do you wish peoplewould understand about you
that are in another bubble?
What do you wish people wouldunderstand about you
on the other side?
I wish that we could disagreewith each other
without thinking that we are badpeople or ill-intentioned folks.
So because I criticizea black person
or I criticizethe Black Lives Matter movement,
that doesn't meanthat I am anti-black.
It does not meanthat I don't like black people,
or that I'm a racist.
It meansI'm criticizing a movement.
I criticize Colin Kaepernick.
That doesn't meanthat I don't believe
in his First Amendment rights.
It means that I believein my First Amendment rights
to criticize him.
So it doesn't make mea bad person,
it doesn't make me a racistto point out...
I mean, I've never usedracial slurs to address people.
I've never looked downon someone
because of their skin color.
To me, true diversityis diversity of thought,
not diversity of color.I don't see color.
I go after Hillary Clinton,
-(laughter, groaning) -andshe's as white as they come.
You don't...you don't see color?
So what do you doat a traffic light?
-(laughter, applause & cheering)-I don't believe in that at all,
when people say that.
There's nothing wrongwith seeing color.
It's how you treat colorthat's more important.
-You're right. It is.-Here's my thing.
Like, all these pointsthat you make are great,
and I do believethat you believe them.
And I don't believeanyone is actively trying...
There are a few peoplewho are trying
But when I lookat what you're saying,
you say you're not pushinga racist narrative,
you're not...you're criticizing.
Do you really believeyou're criticizing
and you're not mal-intentionedwhen you say things like
Black Lives Matteris the new KKK?
Because you realize Black LivesMatter can't be the new KKK,
the KKK is still around.
-They have not vacatedtheir premises, -(clears throat)
-(applause)-and most importantly,
to say Black Lives Matteris the new KKK is... like,
to really, really minimizewhat the KKK did
and what they stand for--that is not the same thing.
Surely you understandthe incendiary, like...
-But... -feeling of yourcomments. You know that, surely.
It's controversial, butI think there are some things
that need to be said, and whenthe Black Lives Matter movement
is going out with signs saying,"Fry 'em like bacon,
F the police,"when they're going out saying
if you see a white person,target them...
That is happening, Trevor.
That happened in Milwaukeenot too long ago.
That is happening. So whenthat now becomes the narrative
and you're starting to loot,burn and riot,
-what did the KKK do?-That is not...
Look, we'll go aroundin circles...
Did you say,"What did the KKK do?"
No. What did they do?When you're saying...
-(laughter) -Wow.-Listen, listen... Trevor...
-Wow.-Trevor, when you're saying...
when there are peoplein the street saying
if you see a white person,beat their ass...
does that not sound reminiscentof the KKK
-or their motives to you?-Is that the narrative
of Black Lives Matter,or are there people
who are saying that withina crowd of other human beings?
There is a distinction betweena movement and the people.
That is somethingthat we keep coming back to.
But let's go backto what you were saying
on Colin Kaepernickand the National Anthem.
This is somethingI don't understand,
and I...when I watch your videos,
I go...I truly do not understand.
You say... Colin Kaepernickis exercising
his First Amendment rights,and you are exercising
your First Amendment rightsin criticizing him.
-Mm-hmm.-So what you're saying is...
"You have the right to sayanything you want, so shut up."
No. Not at all.
I'm saying I don't agreewith what he did.
-Yes. -I think thathe went about it the wrong way.
-I don't think he understands...-What is the right way?
When people say that,I'm always fascinated.
What is the right way? So,here's a black man in America
who says, I don't knowhow to get a message across.
If I march in the streets,people say I'm a thug,
if I go out and I protest,people say that it's a riot,
if I bend down on one knee, thenit's... What is the right way?
That is somethingI've always wanted to know.
What is the right wayfor a black person
-(applause, cheering)-to get attention in America?
Taking it out...
taking it out on our flagand our National Anthem,
-to me...-But how?
Why would you take out
your perceived oppressionof black people
out on the National Anthemand our flag?
A country that you live in,a country that you benefit from,
a country that peopleof all races have died for,
have died to protect,have died for the vote,
died to be enfranchisedby this nation,
how do you then goand disrespect the flag
and the anthem of that country?
-Why is that the outlet?-Well, maybe you're a person
who's livedand read through history,
and you realize that a lotof those people of every color
who died for this country, someof them didn't have the rights
that their fellow servicemen had
when they came back to thecountry after fighting for it.
And that flag means a lotto those folks, too.
Maybe you're oneof those people who realizes
that the penal system in Americawas designed
to oppress black people, it wasdesigned to enslave people,
it is a relic of slavery.
Maybe you'reone of those people.
So what I don't understand is,a guy is kneeling in the corner,
I don't understandwhy that offends you so much.
It's not even likehe's trying to sing over you.
If he was doing that, he's like,♪ O say...
O say can me see!No. He's singing...
He's not... he's not doinganything that affects you.
I don't understandwhy it gets to you.
I genuinely don't.He's in a corner,
kneeling by himself-- whydoes that offend you so much?
For me, I know whatthat flag means to me,
I know what that flag meansto those that are fighting
for our country right now-- it'sbigger than a piece of cloth.
It's a symbol of patriotism.
Our National Anthem has meanta lot to a lot of people,
it's got a lot of peoplethrough very hard times,
and this country,it's got its scars,
it's got its wounds,it's got its history,
but I still believeit's the greatest nation
on the face of the Earth,and I believe
if you live in this country,you can want to better it,
but to disrespectour flag and our anthem,
in that way,and that be your outlet
to get outwhatever aggression you have,
whether it be passiveor active aggression,
I disagree with it.
And so he has every rightto do it--
that's hisFirst Amendment rights,
and I agree with his FirstAmendment right to do it--
I don't agree with what he did.
So because I don't agreewith what he did,
then now I should shut up?Because I'm white?
So I should shut up?I shouldn't be able to talk
about black issues'cause I'm white?
No one brought up whites at all.
I never said that.I don't see color.
I don't think thatthat's what the argument is.
What I'm saying is...I asked you one question,
and that is:How should a black person
bring up their grievances?
That's all I ask. How?
If that's not the right way,if marching isn't the right way,
what is the right way?
When you talk...What he said was,
he is protestingthe anthem and the flag
because of the oppressionof black people
-in this country.-Yes.
I would like himto further explain
what he's talking aboutwhen he's discussing
-the black oppressionin this country. -Which he has.
Also, is it against police?Is it against the government?
I'm not sure what oppressionhe's discussing.
I would loveto have him come on my show
and discuss it with me.
To me, when you make the flagand you make the anthem
the outlet for your anger,
or the outlet through whichyou're going to protest
your country that you live in,you reside in,
that you take$19 million a year from,
I don't think that that is thecorrect outlet for your anger.
So, what is he protesting?
Again, you haven't answeredmy question of how...
-how you want black people...-So...
I'm just asking how.And I'm asking you...
honestly, I'm not sayingin a challenging way--
I'm saying to you,I don't know the answer
apart from these methods,so I would like to know
if you've ever thought of a how.
Because you're the first personI've met who's said this.
I've seen this message online.
I'm not labeling youas "the bad person."
I just want to know ifyou've ever thought of the how.
That's all I want to know.
For me, I think there are a lotof folks in this country,
I, being a woman, um, I didn'thave rights after black people,
until womengot the right to vote,
but because I feel likeI'm a woman,
and I'm marginalizedin some way,
I don't protest my country.
I don't seewhat he's protesting.
-I would like to know exactlywhat he is protesting. -So...
-It's a very...-So how do you-- No, no.
-How do you protest, then?That's what... -I don't protest.
Because I'm not a victim.
I guess we can,we can go back and forth
on a lot of these issues, um...
It's-it's an interesting placeto be in,
because, honestly, y-you've won,you know.
Like, your side has won,as you say, you know.
The liberal snowflakesare melting
in the streets as they protest.
And now I would like to knowfrom your side, genuinely,
as someone who's won,do you believe
that Donald Trump will followthrough on his promises?
I will be a vocal opponentif he doesn't.
I am not somebody that gets onthe cheerleading bandwagon.
If he does something I disagreewith, I will discuss it.
I did before I wasa Trump supporter,
I was critical of Trump.
I was a Marco Rubio girlfor a long time,
and then I started to see thatwas gonna be our nominee.
And I said it's him or Hillary.
-A lot of Americanswere in that position. -Yeah.
And then I got closerto the campaign,
and I started seeing someof the things he was saying,
and I started seeing the effecthe was having on people,
and the things that he wassaying that was touching people,
-and making them feel likethey... -He was touching people.
-Yeah. He was.-(laughter)
He really was.
Hillary could use some of thatevery now and then, right?
Bill's a little busy,Bill's a little busy.
I appreciate you beingon the show.
Thank you so muchfor being here.
-Thank you, Trevor.-It is, a...
a conversation we shouldcontinue having, uh, having.
You can find, uh,Tomi's Final Thoughts
Tomi Lahren, everybody