Please welcomeMichelangelo Signorile!
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-Thank you so much.-Thank you.
First of all, may I say you havethe most amazing name ever?
Ah. Thank you.
You sound like the person
who knowswhere Jesus is really buried.
(with Italian accent):Michelangelo Signorile
he knows where it is.
-I do. I do. I do.-Welcome to the show.
Thank you for being hereat, uh,
honestly,one of the most horrific moments
in America's history.
You have always been oneof the most outspoken voices
in the gay community in America.
Apart from the coreof the tragedy,
which people are sayingis terrorism,
what does this tragedy meanto you?
What has this meant to youand your community?
It's yet another attackon an LGBT space, a place,
a sanctuary where people meet,
where historically,people have gathered
in bars and clubs and gone there
to, you know, find refuge
because their familiesdidn't accept them.
And we've seen attackson bars going way back,
you know, into the '60s,the '70s, the '80s, in the '90s.
-And just last fall, attacksin Dallas, as well. -Yeah.
So, you know, we've seen thisover and over again,
and it's by peoplewho hate gay people.
And sometimesit's religion-based.
Sometimes it's just, you know,run-of-the-mill hate
coming from those who hate blackpeople and everybody else.
-Right? -Crazy there would berun-of-the-mill hate.
But we've seen it overand over again.
And we now see this one,the worst ever,
and it's just horrifyingto people.
It scares people,it frightens them.
But I thinkit also makes people wake up
and see thatit's still out there and that,
because we wonmarriage equality,
it didn't meanthat that hate went away.
In fact, we're seeing thebacklash all across the country.
You really allude to thisin your book, It's Not Over.
You talk about the fact
that it seemsreally peachy right now.
It seems likegay people are in a great place.
But there is a lotof homophobia,
there is a lot of hatred,
there is stilla lot of backlash.
Is that true, though?
Well... people have a tendency--
and I think it happensto every minority group--
after a big win,after they have moved forward
in a dramatic way, to reallywant to believe it's over.
I mean, you're fighting againstthis bigotry for so long.
And I call it"victory blindness" in my book,
that idea that, you know,you've suddenly arrived
after so much hatred.
But you can see the backlash,and I saw it.
And in the book, I-I...I researched what was happening
-Yeah. -at these anti-gayconferences and whatnot.
You can see it building,and you can see them planning
on ways to thwart useven as we were winning.
And now we see the backlash.
You can seein states across the country
these "religious liberty" laws,right,
meant to protectthe religious people,
uh, and allow themto keep discriminating--
and I don't meanreligious people, of course,
all religious people, I meanreligiously bigoted people--
allow them to continueto discriminate.
A lot of people in the worldlook to America
as a prominent memberof the gay community.
What do you seeas a path forward?
What do you see as a pathwe need to try and take.
I think thatthere's an impulse often,
uh, among membersof the community to say--
and again, it's this...they buy into this idea
that we're winning,we've won, it's over--
to be magnanimous.
To allow a spacefor your enemies--
those poor people, they'redefeated now. That's a trap.
Uh, they're not poor peoplewho have been defeated.
They're people who are funded
with millions and millionsof dollars.
-Yeah. -And they're ensconcedin the Republican Party.
Uh, and the strategy is
to actually keepbeing confrontational,
keep pushing forward,keep demanding full equality,
don't settle for, uh, you know,crumbs or-or exemptions.
They're looking for exemptionsto protections for us.
Don't, uh...don't be magnanimous.
(laughs)Say, "No. We want it all.
We want full equality."
That's whatthis country's all about.
Because as you say in the book,"It's not over."
-Yes.-Thank you so much.
-Thank you so much.-Thank you for being here.
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